About to trash my Galantamine bottle.

So recently, Ive been reading up and experimenting on supplements and have read collectively more than 20+ books on the subject. Some like Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements, and medical and pharmacological text.

You could say in a sense, I am an expert on supplements, through the knowledge that is available, and through personal experience.

Everywhere Ive read, it says Galantamine is like the moses of lucid dreaming. 90% chance of WILD or more. Etc etc.

The first night I used Galantamine, I tried the traditional 4mg/ 500mg Choline. Nothing special happened. I woke up after 5 hours took the combination, and waited for 30 mins, went to sleep. Nothing. I woke up in the morning with no side effects what so ever, and I did not feel any difference mentally or physically. No hang over.

I tried the 4mg/500mg combo again, and yielded same results.
The next time I tried 8mg/500mg, and was able to get to SP very fast, and the SP was very intense. But I endured SP for a long time, eventually falling asleep. Nothing happened. Also, no effects or anything the next day.

I tried the 8mg/500mg combo 3 times more, with the same results. Very little HI, very intense SP, and occasional Exploding Head Syndrome.

On Saturday, I decided to try 12mg galantamine and 800mg Choline. The 4mg and 8mg galantamine had no effect on me what so ever, and had no negative side effects at all, so I know it would be safe to bump up to 12mg.

I woke up after 5 hours, took the 12mg/800mg, went to toilet and walked around for 2-5 mins, and went to sleep to relax and start the WILD.
The ONLY difference from the other times; the 4mg and 8mg, is that I entered SP and EHS, VERY fast. I had an extremely INTENSE sleep paralysis, and the Exploding Head Syndrome was very frequent. Nothing extra ordinary though.

I woke up with NO side effects. I was at least expecting a hang over.

In Thomas Yuschak's book about Supplements, he says he has to use Paracitam to counter the effects of the 8mg/500mg galantamine combo every time because of the powerful side effects.

In every trail I did, I had no side effects at all. Im so mad at galantamine for not working I want to flush my pills down the pisser. :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

My research showed that it's best to take Galantamine with both Choline and B5.

Sounds to me like you're too stressed about it. Stress is the ultimate lucid dream killer.

It is possible that your body is somehow more tolerant to the drugs than most people. It is also possible that you are not experienced enough with WILD for the drugs to make much difference (as I have no idea what experience level you're at, you'll have to judge that one for yourself). I would say it's possible that you've taken some other drugs which interfered with the action of the lucid aids or done some other no-no thing to cancel out their effects, but I'm assuming since you've become such an expert on the topic that you wouldn't make such a mistake. It could just all be crap luck.

Naturally LDing isn't so bad anyway - it's certainly much cheaper ;) and you don't have to worry about relying on drugs as a crutch. However, if your dead set on using some supplements, maybe you just need to try one of the many others. B6 is extremely popular, although it doesn't necessarily lead to lucidity as reliably as some other supplements.

I've had mixed results with it as well. I had my 2nd, 3rd and 4th lucids using it, all from the same bottle or "batch" then the next bottle I got (from the same company) I got ZERO results from, almost like it was a dud batch. I emailed them to ask if they'd had any other complaints, of course they said they hadn't. I was really dissapointed, as I'd had such good results the first time using it.. then nothing at all the next time. I've ordered another bottle from a different place hoping for better results again. It's just too bad that we have to get the galantamine from herbal dealers and that we can't just get the real pharmaceutical grade prescription stuff.. that might really be able to answer our questions. A guaranteed analysis instead of a hokey herbal "non-guarantee". I think that's the real problem we are up against.

I'll keep the forum informed of my progress with the next batch.

Also, I'm gonna start eating LOTS of peanut butter at bedtime now too, seems people are raving it about it around here!

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DUDE! Where can I get me some of THAT?!

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The more I read about people's experiences w/ Galantamine, as well as their success with lucid dreaming in general - the more I become convinced that LDing has way more to do with brain chemistry than anything else.

Never mind the supplement use, how are you doing with other aspects of dream recall and experience?

I tell people starting out not to even worry about lucids until they are remembering several pages worth of dreams per night.

I also strongly agree that WILDS are simply more advanced and more easily obtained once you have had 50 or so DILDS.

I guess the only thing I would suggest as far as supplements is to try something which suppresses REM first thing in the evening. That should make LD's even more likely later in the sleep cycle.

If supplements aren't working for you, why not try a completely different approach such as a dream mask?

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Originally Posted by DuB

It is possible that your body is somehow more tolerant to the drugs than most people. It is also possible that you are not experienced enough with WILD for the drugs to make much difference (as I have no idea what experience level you're at, you'll have to judge that one for yourself). I would say it's possible that you've taken some other drugs which interfered with the action of the lucid aids or done some other no-no thing to cancel out their effects, but I'm assuming since you've become such an expert on the topic that you wouldn't make such a mistake. It could just all be crap luck.

Naturally LDing isn't so bad anyway - it's certainly much cheaper ;) and you don't have to worry about relying on drugs as a crutch. However, if your dead set on using some supplements, maybe you just need to try one of the many others. B6 is extremely popular, although it doesn't necessarily lead to lucidity as reliably as some other supplements.

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You are certainly correct about the tolerance to drugs part. I already knew that, that is why I even attempted to take 12mg of Galantamine.

About my level at WILDing, Im no expert, but I know the rundown, and I can meditate successfully, achieving some HI and SP while siting upright. And can summon some HI to entertain myself. Ive read a great book all about the different stages of conciousness (The Head Trip by Jeff Warren) which I greatly recommend to everybody.

About taking interfering drugs, there is nothing in my system that would interfere with acetylcholine, or acetylcholinesterase at all.

Ive tried b6 and had good success at increasing my dream vividness at doses of 250mg or higher.

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Originally Posted by Phydeaux_3

I've had mixed results with it as well. I had my 2nd, 3rd and 4th lucids using it, all from the same bottle or "batch" then the next bottle I got (from the same company) I got ZERO results from, almost like it was a dud batch. I emailed them to ask if they'd had any other complaints, of course they said they hadn't. I was really dissapointed, as I'd had such good results the first time using it.. then nothing at all the next time. I've ordered another bottle from a different place hoping for better results again. It's just too bad that we have to get the galantamine from herbal dealers and that we can't just get the real pharmaceutical grade prescription stuff.. that might really be able to answer our questions. A guaranteed analysis instead of a hokey herbal "non-guarantee". I think that's the real problem we are up against.

I'll keep the forum informed of my progress with the next batch.

Also, I'm gonna start eating LOTS of peanut butter at bedtime now too, seems people are raving it about it around here!

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I am trying to get the prescription Galantamine, used for Alzheimer's treatment.

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Originally Posted by DrTechnical

The more I read about people's experiences w/ Galantamine, as well as their success with lucid dreaming in general - the more I become convinced that LDing has way more to do with brain chemistry than anything else.

Never mind the supplement use, how are you doing with other aspects of dream recall and experience?

I tell people starting out not to even worry about lucids until they are remembering several pages worth of dreams per night.

I also strongly agree that WILDS are simply more advanced and more easily obtained once you have had 50 or so DILDS.

I guess the only thing I would suggest as far as supplements is to try something which suppresses REM first thing in the evening. That should make LD's even more likely later in the sleep cycle.

If supplements aren't working for you, why not try a completely different approach such as a dream mask?

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I have relatively great recall on most days, but no recall at all on other days. Ill have 3-4 days of superb recall, then a dryspell of 2-3 days. It cycles on and on. Ive had 4 lucids, and around 10 false awakenings. Although I dont have directly LD experience, Im pretty confident about what I know.

As for suppressing REM, Ive tried serotoinin and melatonin before bed. Melatonin gave me very nice and vivid dreams. Serotonin had little to no effect.

The amino acid blend worked the first night on me, but hasnt worked since. And i didnt get a WILD like I was supposed to, I got a DILD.

Im not quiting yet.

Just ordered some l-dopa. I hope it works better than galantamine.

I probably don't have to tell you to be careful with that levodopa.

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Originally Posted by DuB

I probably don't have to tell you to be careful with that levodopa.

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:)

Dont worry, Ive done my homework.

Seems like potent shit if taken in the right doses and at the right time.

But being the risk taker I am, I might go for a substantially high dose and report what happens. Of course, by high dose I mean, high to the recommended dose, but much lower than the lethal dose.

Just enough to notice it in effect.


**I do not promote the use or abuse of any supplement or drug, anything discussed in this thread is for experimental purposes and is not recommended to be tried without proper precautions and preparations. Take at your own risk.

I've been trying to find it in stores, but even in vitamin shops it's not available. And I really hate ordering things online. I'll take your Galantamine :)

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Originally Posted by moe007

So recently, Ive been reading up and experimenting on supplements and have read collectively more than 20+ books on the subject. Some like Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements, and medical and pharmacological text.

You could say in a sense, I am an expert on supplements, through the knowledge that is available, and through personal experience.

Everywhere Ive read, it says Galantamine is like the moses of lucid dreaming. 90% chance of WILD or more. Etc etc.

The first night I used Galantamine, I tried the traditional 4mg/ 500mg Choline. Nothing special happened. I woke up after 5 hours took the combination, and waited for 30 mins, went to sleep. Nothing. I woke up in the morning with no side effects what so ever, and I did not feel any difference mentally or physically. No hang over.

I tried the 4mg/500mg combo again, and yielded same results.
The next time I tried 8mg/500mg, and was able to get to SP very fast, and the SP was very intense. But I endured SP for a long time, eventually falling asleep. Nothing happened. Also, no effects or anything the next day.

I tried the 8mg/500mg combo 3 times more, with the same results. Very little HI, very intense SP, and occasional Exploding Head Syndrome.

On Saturday, I decided to try 12mg galantamine and 800mg Choline. The 4mg and 8mg galantamine had no effect on me what so ever, and had no negative side effects at all, so I know it would be safe to bump up to 12mg.

I woke up after 5 hours, took the 12mg/800mg, went to toilet and walked around for 2-5 mins, and went to sleep to relax and start the WILD.
The ONLY difference from the other times; the 4mg and 8mg, is that I entered SP and EHS, VERY fast. I had an extremely INTENSE sleep paralysis, and the Exploding Head Syndrome was very frequent. Nothing extra ordinary though.

I woke up with NO side effects. I was at least expecting a hang over.

In Thomas Yuschak's book about Supplements, he says he has to use Paracitam to counter the effects of the 8mg/500mg galantamine combo every time because of the powerful side effects.

In every trail I did, I had no side effects at all. Im so mad at galantamine for not working I want to flush my pills down the pisser. :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

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B5, B6, B12 and Meletonin make it work for me and I had the same results as you.

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Originally Posted by Arthurium

B5, B6, B12 and Meletonin make it work for me and I had the same results as you.

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Ive tried b5 b6 b12 and melatonin, and just had vivid dreams. Nothing special.

Maybe try Galantamine together with the Amino blend.

Along with the prementioned Choline and B5 try loading up on Tryptophan (turkey, cheese...) before bed.

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Originally Posted by dodobird

Maybe try Galantamine together with the Amino blend.

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I did that once, same effects as galantamine alone.
Although it was pretty vivid.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

Along with the prementioned Choline and B5 try loading up on Tryptophan (turkey, cheese...) before bed.

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I took choline and b6 and b5, as well as foods that contain tryptophan before bed.

Nothing special.

Hoping the L-Dopa makes a difference.

If you've tried all these drugs with no effect, change your approach. You need to experience more lucids in order to know what it feels like and get a sense how LDs and reality feel different. That level of experience along with supplement help will be productive long term.

In the short term - I seriously suggets you use a dream mask. That's the tool I started with. I learned a lot about what lucid dreams feel like, how to negotiate FA's, etc ...

My suggestion would be the REM Dreamer

Dream masks are expensive, and I heard they do not fully induce Lucid Dreams.

If you wont notice flashing lights to be abnormal, you wont achieve lucidity.

I havn't ever tried using any suppliments or anything like that but just from reading through this thread, you guys all seem to be having on and off days of success as well as possible changes in doses having varied results. Perhaps its a mental/confidence thing? Since taking the 'goods' may give you the 'belief' that you will be more lucid or something along that line.
Just something to think about.

Cheers

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Dream masks are expensive, and I heard they do not fully induce Lucid Dreams.

If you wont notice flashing lights to be abnormal, you wont achieve lucidity.

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As I recall, the REM dreamer is about $170.00. But it depends on your budget of course. All these supplements aren't cheap either.

Different people have different experiiences with dream masks. I would estimate I've had 25-30 lucids with my dream mask. Of those, I would say I noticed the flashing lights 2-3 times. All the other LDs were false awakenings. The lights go off, and I have a FA. But I reality test, realize this and carry on in my dream space.

Everyone's experinece is going to differ, just like people have relatively better or worse results w/ galantamine.

After reading Advanced Lucid Dreaming I thought Galantamine was finally the supplement that would allow me to have lucid dreams at will, so far, I have tried it 3 different times, mine are 4mg Galantamine, 250 mg. choline, I took only one capsule each night, the first time it worked though not as I hoped, I took 100mg of 5-HTP at about an hour before bedtime, woke up after 4 hours sleep, took the Galantamine, and stayed up for 30 minutes or so, then did the exercises listed in the book for WILD's, after being awake for an hour and a half, I finally gave up and just wanted to go back to sleep, at after being awake for 2 hours I finally went back to sleep, soon I was having a dream, then I awoke or possibly false awoke, felt vibrations and felt as I left my body, I struggled to open my eyes, astral or dream eyes, and saw my darkened room, I wanted to go through the ceiling and I rapidly floated to the ceiling and was going though it when I woke up, falling to sleep again the process repeated itself though not for as long. I thought well it worked, though I have had better experiences on nothing but consuming 3- 20 ounce Sundrops within 8 hours before bed. But still it was a start, but after 2 trys later with no results whatsoever besides it making it extremely difficult to go back to sleep I am wondering if Galantamine is all it's cracked up to be. I am not giving up yet though, I will try 2 capsules for 8 mg, next time, but since 4 mg, makes it very difficult for me to return to sleep, I wonder if 8mg will just make it impossible.

I tried Galantamine after 4 to 6 hours of sleep, each time, and had difficulty going back to sleep, has anyone tried it before bedtime, perhaps combined with Melatonin or 5-HTP to allow you to sleep a while, I am considering trying this, I have seen dream supplements on the internet with Galantamine and 3 mg of Melatonin combined, this might be an interesting experiment, I want to try 8mg on the WBTB first though and since I just tried Galantamine yesterday I have to wait a few more days before trying it again, has anyone already tried this thought?

It's been a while, but I'm glad to be back at the forum!
Anyway, I was reading this thread and remembered this once-daily pill I bought from my grandmother's natural food store (read: not a health food store... ?)
I glanced at the vitamin list and saw this:
A...............................................6, 000 IU
C...............................................66 mg
D...............................................40 0 IU
E...............................................33 IU
K...............................................80 mcg
B1..............................................2 mg
B2..............................................2 mg
Niacin.........................................20 mg
B6..............................................2 mg
Folate.........................................400 mcg
B12............................................12 mcg
Biotin..........................................15 0 mcg
Pantothenic Acid...........................10 mg
Iodine.........................................75 mcg
Magnesium...................................5 mg
Zinc............................................15 mg
Selenium......................................75 mcg
Copper........................................1.5 mg
Manganese...................................1 mg
Chromium.....................................60 mcg
Molybdenum..................................20 mcg
Potassium.....................................1 mg
Mixed Carotenoids..........................4 mg

It's called "Every Man's One Daily" from NewChapter Organics.
Sorry for the long post, but I'll update you guys tomorrow with my results, because from what I've seen over the last few threads is this ought to help out quite a bit... but I'm no biochemist. If there is anything in there I should be worried about, please let me know!

Night!

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Originally Posted by Segunder

It's been a while, but I'm glad to be back at the forum!
Anyway, I was reading this thread and remembered this once-daily pill I bought from my grandmother's natural food store (read: not a health food store... ?)
I glanced at the vitamin list and saw this:
A...............................................6, 000 IU
C...............................................66 mg
D...............................................40 0 IU
E...............................................33 IU
K...............................................80 mcg
B1..............................................2 mg
B2..............................................2 mg
Niacin.........................................20 mg
B6..............................................2 mg
Folate.........................................400 mcg
B12............................................12 mcg
Biotin..........................................15 0 mcg
Pantothenic Acid...........................10 mg
Iodine.........................................75 mcg
Magnesium...................................5 mg
Zinc............................................15 mg
Selenium......................................75 mcg
Copper........................................1.5 mg
Manganese...................................1 mg
Chromium.....................................60 mcg
Molybdenum..................................20 mcg
Potassium.....................................1 mg
Mixed Carotenoids..........................4 mg

It's called "Every Man's One Daily" from NewChapter Organics.
Sorry for the long post, but I'll update you guys tomorrow with my results, because from what I've seen over the last few threads is this ought to help out quite a bit... but I'm no biochemist. If there is anything in there I should be worried about, please let me know!

Night!

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That just looks like a typical multi-vitamin pill for me :roll:

Pretty much, from what I've gathered. Although it is 100% vegetarian!
:lol: Anyway, I thought it would be good for dreams. I had a very vibrant dream with great recall, I could remember every part of all of my conversations when I woke up. Overall I'd say the dream lasted ~1 hour, maybe a little longer.
It had a semi lucid feel to it, but I never managed to gain full control. Suffice to say that I did manage to stop an avalanche with my mind. Which should have made me realize something right there, but I was a little too into the plot to notice. Oh well...

Overall taking a multi vitamin seems like it ought to help out quite a bit, I'm going to try again tonight.

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Originally Posted by Firewalker

I tried Galantamine after 4 to 6 hours of sleep, each time, and had difficulty going back to sleep, has anyone tried it before bedtime, perhaps combined with Melatonin or 5-HTP to allow you to sleep a while, I am considering trying this, I have seen dream supplements on the internet with Galantamine and 3 mg of Melatonin combined, this might be an interesting experiment, I want to try 8mg on the WBTB first though and since I just tried Galantamine yesterday I have to wait a few more days before trying it again, has anyone already tried this thought?

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Since you have Yuschaks book, have a look at the half life data for galantamine. That response, coupled with the natural tendency for deep sleep early in the sleep period makes that a poor strategy I think.