Thread: Psychology Student's Drug Taking!

Nice heh, look forward to reading the results..

Have you got someone who can post about your death if it goes horribly wrong? just so we don't make the same mistakes .

If I don't post tomorrow, you should deduce that I died. But please feel free to try the combination, by all means.

I can't wait to see how this turns out.

I don't think I could fall asleep with B6 before bed. Oops, hope I didn't just jynx you

This is fabulous...

can't wait to see the results.

Well, as long as you consulted your doctor.

I, too, would like to see results. Gambatte!!! ("Do your best!!" in Japanese)

Ok guys, well it didn't go how I had hoped. No lucidity, I believe. However recall was also very strange: as soon as I woke up I could not remember any dreams. But after a while, these vivid, very weird dreams came back to me. (in one I was deconstructing this bridge like structure with the Mythbusters). However, because of the weird recall, perhaps I just don't remember lucidity if it actually occured.

I will try a stornger combination tonight with a smaller variety of drugs.

Thank you, come again.

Cool this is a good idea, I'm also taking Choline Bitatrate atm and it really works for recall and vividness, but lol you take alot of stuff at the same time

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Cool this is a good idea, I'm also taking Choline Bitatrate atm and it really works for recall and vividness, but lol you take alot of stuff at the same time

Tune in tonight to see round two.

Tonight I will be trying (during a WBTB):

Glutamine 2000mg

Green Tea Extract 1260mg


Last night, I hypothesise that effects were limited due to a large variety of drugs. Tonight there will be more intense doses, with fewer drugs.

I have already consulted medical persons about combining all of these drugs, and I have also researched them thoroughly.

Awww Psycholohy Student I'm sorry to hear it didn't work.Your sense of humor though is effin' hilarious...

when you woke up the first night to take more drugs, you didn't remember any dreams then from the B6? I just ask cuz I take b6 and my dreams are pretty much always nuts it seems like.

Are we going to have anymore experiments?

Aside from the caffeine in the green tea extract, none of those supplements can really be categorized as drugs. Unless a physicians finds you especially deficient, I think its a waste to supplement nutrients. I get my vitamin, mineral, and amino acid levels tested and I've only been deficient in vitamin c once, so now i eat more fruit and its back to normal, and I don't take any nutrient supplements. Yet I know people who take nutrients and when tested they are often low in several of them. I've never seen any evidence, clinical or otherwise, that supports supplementing nutrients that you aren't deficient in, or that you can easily get from a diet change.

Originally Posted by BenQ

Awww Psycholohy Student I'm sorry to hear it didn't work.Your sense of humor though is effin' hilarious...

when you woke up the first night to take more drugs, you didn't remember any dreams then from the B6? I just ask cuz I take b6 and my dreams are pretty much always nuts it seems like.

Are we going to have anymore experiments?

You tell me what to do. I am a drug experimenter for the people. (Although it must be a mixture of the stuff shown in the initial experiment. What do you think I am, rich?).

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Aside from the caffeine in the green tea extract, none of those supplements can really be categorized as drugs. Unless a physicians finds you especially deficient, I think its a waste to supplement nutrients. I get my vitamin, mineral, and amino acid levels tested and I've only been deficient in vitamin c once, so now i eat more fruit and its back to normal, and I don't take any nutrient supplements. Yet I know people who take nutrients and when tested they are often low in several of them. I've never seen any evidence, clinical or otherwise, that supports supplementing nutrients that you aren't deficient in, or that you can easily get from a diet change.

Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity.

Try doing the same thing again but going to bed a couple of hours earlier. Hopefully that will make you more alert during the later rem stages.

Have fun! Don't do drugs, go with christ bré'!- 'Dog' the bounty hunter.

"Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity."

I'm just sayin, why buy a bunch of bottles of b vitamins when you can get a banana or something with plenty of b vitamins, plus a crap load of other nutrients. Seems like a waste, plus it could be harmful. There are plenty of dream enhancers to experiment with that don't naturally occur in food. Many of them actually are drugs, experiment with those and it would be worth while.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Try doing the same thing again but going to bed a couple of hours earlier. Hopefully that will make you more alert during the later rem stages.

Have fun! Don't do drugs, go with christ bré'!- 'Dog' the bounty hunter.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

"Yeah, but I'm not using them for deficiency, but lucidity."

I'm just sayin, why buy a bunch of bottles of b vitamins when you can get a banana or something with plenty of b vitamins, plus a crap load of other nutrients. Seems like a waste, plus it could be harmful. There are plenty of dream enhancers to experiment with that don't naturally occur in food. Many of them actually are drugs, experiment with those and it would be worth while.

Yeah, but the disage in food is no where near a much the one in the bottles. For example the amount of B6 in a banana, is 1% of the amount in a pill, and is ineffective in creating the required dream effect.

Steak - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/3591/2
Banana - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/f...-juices/1846/2

B vitamin content in a single 13 oz sirloin steak:

B3 - 33.7 mg = 169% RDI
B6 - 2.6 mg = 128% RDI
B12 - 5.5 mcg = 92% RDI
B1 - 0.3 mg = 22% RDI
B2 - 0.6 mg = 36% RDI
B5 - 2.3 mg = 23% RDI
Plus others that are not tested by that website.

Bananas contain less than steak, but much more than 1% of the RDI

Considering synthetic vitamins are not as bioavailable, and are often
not recognized by the body and therefore rapidly excreted in the urine,
you will get way more vitamins from food than a pill. Also there are
other factors in food that are important parts of metabolism, when you take
vitamins without these synergistic components it can cause toxicity to the body.

"Isolated vitamins and minerals don't occur in the food chain, but are formed in relationship to many other food constituents. In the food chain, vitamins are always molecularly bound to proteins. The protein attachment appears to be the transport vehicle for vitamins in living systems. This accounts for the low bioavailability or utilization and assimilation of synthetic and isolated vitamins or minerals in the human body."

"Over 97% of vitamin and mineral supplements now being sold in "health food" stores contain these synthetic or isolated and fragmented vitamins and minerals. Such vitamin and mineral supplements were found to be toxic or ineffective or both! These synthetic vitamin and mineral supplements are inexpensive to manufacture and produce huge profits for the makers and marketers of these products."

The Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association (Winter, 1999)


Hope this helps you change your mind, I just don't want people paying to cause
themselves harm.

Lucid4sho, I agree with you about supplementing your diet with pills. I'm always telling people to stop taking their multivitamins, since every study I've seen has shown it causes nothing but harmful effects (besides calcium supplements, the omega_s , and a few others).

When it comes to dreaming, I have found vitamin pills have a huge effect. You take them as a drug instead of a supplement. You want a large (over)dose to hit your system fast. Normally an arguement against supplements, right? For example, B6's RDA is around 1-2mg a day. Taking it for dreaming, most people will bomb around 1000mg during a WBTB .

Psychology Student, have you tried Galantamine/choline yet? That is the king of lucid dreaming drugs right now. I'm assuming you're working from Thomas Yuschak's book & website?

Keep it up, I think this is the future of lucid dreaming. Have you seen this article yet?
http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ry_id=11402761

You might be right, maybe synthetic vitamins are safe to take periodically for dream induction. I just think it makes more sense to experiement with things like galantamine since its an actual drug, instead of tweaking with your nutrient metabolism.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Psychology Student, have you tried Galantamine/choline yet? That is the king of lucid dreaming drugs right now. I'm assuming you're working from Thomas Yuschak's book & website?



Keep it up, I think this is the future of lucid dreaming. Have you seen this article yet?
http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ry_id=11402761

Yeah, but its only available by prescription in this country. Nice article though, galantamine and choline are both cognitive enhancers I think.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

You mightbe right, maybe synthetic vitamins are safe to take periodically for dream induction. I just think it makes more sense to experiement with things like galantamine since its an actual drug, instead of tweaking with your nutrient metabolism.

Look to the above.

Thats why I mentioned galantamine because he did . I know of tons of other drugs other than galantamine that I've used for ld enhancing, i just don't share the information because drugs effect everyone different, personally i don't like galantamine, but it might work great for you.

Galantamine is prescription only. Can you tell me about some of your secret drugs?

You can get galantamine in nearly any country, theres a very minimal chance it will get confiscated by customs because the dogs don't smell for it. http://uniquenutrition.net/shop/
This site will send it to you. Plus they carry lots of other drugs to toy with. Go to http://www.erowid.org and you can learn about them and read others experiences. There are other sites you can get drugs that unique nutrition doesn't carry, it just takes some searching, but unique nutrition carries enough to keep you busy for awhile

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

You can get galantamine in nearly any country, theres a very minimal chance it will get confiscated by customs because the dogs don't smell for it. http://uniquenutrition.net/shop/
This site will send it to you. Plus they carry lots of other drugs to toy with. Go to http://www.erowid.org and you can learn about them and read others experiences. There are other sites you can get drugs that unique nutrition doesn't carry, it just takes some searching, but unique nutrition carries enough to keep you busy for awhile

Is it legal for me to import drugs in that fashion, becaue my girlfriend is a Christian and I wouldn't want to offend her. But seriously thanks for the link.