Binaural Beat WILDing Log.

im really just posting this for myself, but i figured others might be interested in it. i have used binaural beats (using IDoser) before to help myself sleep and relax, but starting tonight, im going to try using them to WILD. i am using the IDoser dose labeled insomniac, because after testing many of them, it is the most successful at lulling me to sleep. i am going to see if i can relax as much as possible and first of all, see if i can stay awake untill its done playing. if successful with that much, i will then start to count my breathing and try to relax more. im sure by that point i will have already encountered SP, but im not sure. ill post my results in the morn. im goin to bed. lol =p hopefully ill be lucid shortly after a few breaths in silence.... ... .. .

sorry i didnt update yesterday. my internet was down... but i had somewhat of a success. but nothing out of the ordinary. so i felt SP comming on earlier than it usually does. it felt like only 15 minutes tops. but shortly after SP came into play, i had an UNBEARABLE itch. a bug bit me in my room like 2 minutes before i went to sleep and it just started itching then. but i ignored it and tried not thinking about it. so i managed to bear through it till the MP3 was done. then i was hearing some things like i usually do before successfully WILDing (i heard my fan spinning and clicking, but i remember that i turned OFF my fan right before bed. ) shortly after, i also heard my door creak open like my cat was comming in my room to come and sleep with me. like a minute after that, i felt her hop up onto my bed. she likes sleeping in the gap between my feet cuz it makes a little bed for her with the blanket over me. so when she layed down, the itch like made me twitch HARDCORE and i really couldnt help myself from moving cuz it had to be itched so bad and she was right on it. so i figured damn. that sucks. i was pretty close. !!!!!I SHOULD'VE DONE A REALITY CHECK!!!!!! i moved and itched my foot, pet my cute cat, and decided to just go to sleep regularly. i ended up waking up because my girlfriend texted me and i forgot to quiet my phone. it was precisely ONE HOUR after i had went to sleep. (keep in mind that the insomniac MP3 is 45 minutes long) i answered the text and went to pet my kitty, BUT SHE WASNT THERE! and the door wasnt even open at all!!! my cats can push the door open, but i know for a fact that they cant close doors.. so that whole experience with my cat jumpin on my bed was a dream!!! im going to try again tonight and hopefully i wont be fooled once more.... and btw, i would've tried again last night but my drumming buddy slept over and we got drunk. lol

ok. ive made a conclusion finally. FORGET STUPID BINAURAL BEATS! ok, they may help you go to sleep if you have trouble sleeping, but other than that, i dont think they help so much... all natural dreaming and sleeping is the way to go. and i know that they ARE natural. but its better to let your own body and mind go through the sleeping stages of brainwaves, not letting a stupid MP3 do it for you... thats the way i feel.

You can't quit using binaural beats so soon. With any technique one must keep at it. Just make sure that you are paying attention to the MP3 or it might not work very well.

I never had much luck with Binaural Beats either, especially using I-Doser.

However, when you have a person talking suggestively, AND binaural beats / soothing sounds, in an mp3, it puts my body into SP very quicky.

Try: Brainwave Mind Voyages (Series I) - Trance Induction, The Lucid Dreaming Version (BMV Entrainment)

I have only been using it since last night, and I almost had another LD, this morning. JollyRoger told me this works amazing, etc, so I had to try it.

You should be able to find it on the internet ;)

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Originally Posted by jamesplague

I never had much luck with Binaural Beats either, especially using I-Doser.

However, when you have a person talking suggestively, AND binaural beats / soothing sounds, in an mp3, it puts my body into SP very quicky.

Try: Brainwave Mind Voyages (Series I) - Trance Induction, The Lucid Dreaming Version (BMV Entrainment)

I have only been using it since last night, and I almost had another LD, this morning. JollyRoger told me this works amazing, etc, so I had to try it.

You should be able to find it on the internet ;)

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I've been using the Brainwave Mind Voyages tracks for over a week now. I'm having no results, it's as if I can't relax my eyes. I keep wanting to open them, no matter how tired I am. Doesn't work too well :\

Binaural beats are just used to fall asleep or get headache that's my experience of i-doser lol.

You do know that not all binaural beats are for Lucid Dreaming right? Each bb track has a different use depending on the frequency they send out...delta alpha beta...
different frequencies induce different things.
You can learn more about this at a site that specifically explains how they work to induce Lucid dreams...I always link to them at my signature but the following link will take you to the complete explanation of how exactly they work:
http://www.luciddreamnow.com/thesecretnow

Hey, davis, how exactly could binaurals induce lucid dreams? Binaurals have been proven to shift brainwave frequency (the visual counterpart to binaurals are even used in the police force!). They can put your brain into delta, theta, alpha, beta.

Dreaming is in beta. Waking is in beta. The same frequency. So a lucid dreaming tape would put one into beta state. Who's to say that they don't simply return to full wakefulness, instead of dreaming? And how could the binaural make the listener lucid (since lucidity is also beta brainwaves)?

Im happy you asked that. Here´s the theory in it:
"The key to Lucid Dreaming is going through the Delta (which causes dreamless sleep) then through Theta states (which will cause a Dream state), but instead of reaching the full Alpha state (that does not stimulate sleep), dip back into Theta before you awake. Your subconscious will awake, but your conscious mind will stay asleep as you go back into the dreaming state. Your subconscious will think you are awake, but then realize you are still dreaming."

Note that this is only one of many different combinations of frequencies that experts have created to alter the brains conciousness. Note that this is something that has been researched for over 170 years now, so the level of accuracy in the inductions is pretty good today.
I always recommend the site I link at my signature, as it does a pretty good job at explaining the subject.

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Originally Posted by davis44

Im happy you asked that. Here´s the theory in it:
"The key to Lucid Dreaming is going through the Delta (which causes dreamless sleep) then through Theta states (which will cause a Dream state), but instead of reaching the full Alpha state (that does not stimulate sleep), dip back into Theta before you awake. Your subconscious will awake, but your conscious mind will stay asleep as you go back into the dreaming state. Your subconscious will think you are awake, but then realize you are still dreaming."

Note that this is only one of many different combinations of frequencies that experts have created to alter the brains conciousness. Note that this is something that has been researched for over 170 years now, so the level of accuracy in the inductions is pretty good today.
I always recommend the site I link at my signature, as it does a pretty good job at explaining the subject.

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rofl that site in your sig looks real legit :lol::lol::lol:

i just started reading about lucid dreaming... so i dont think i actually had one yet... but i remember last year my friend was talking about it and told me to look it up.. so i did but i didnt read as much about it.. i used a wikkipedia site... (ill just say this now.. i dont understand any of those tearms.. like. MILD or WILD.. or.. something or other beasts.. thats all gibberish to me...) so i just tried what the wikkipedia site said that an easy way to tell yourself that your dreaming is to start with a nightmare... (i guess thats a reality check) so i focused on a nightmare that i often had as a kid and i was able to tell myself.. "this is just a dream".. and everything went kinda clear... but detail was still fuzzy..... and i wanted to try and make everything white and jump at me like that scene in the Matrix... but it didnt work.. there were purple and white skies and stuff.. actually the scenery kinda looked like something from allice and wonderland but i found up fighting Cratos from God Of War...

anyways.. becides getting disctracted was what i did a good step into lucid dreaming?

and could someone explain what all those things mean... well.. just dumb it down a little.. lol im no good with big words.. or abbriveations.. hehe

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and could someone explain what all those things mean... well.. just dumb it down a little.. lol im no good with big words.. or abbriveations.. hehe

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.. those things i meant were something beassts, MILD, WILD.. and all the other terms and stuff...

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Originally Posted by davis44

"The key to Lucid Dreaming is going through the Delta (which causes dreamless sleep) then through Theta states (which will cause a Dream state), but instead of reaching the full Alpha state (that does not stimulate sleep), dip back into Theta before you awake. Your subconscious will awake, but your conscious mind will stay asleep as you go back into the dreaming state. Your subconscious will think you are awake, but then realize you are still dreaming."

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thats wayy too complicated for my little brain to do.... Delta and Theta?... i know their definition but i just dont understand them... it confuses my little brain

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Originally Posted by Abra

Dreaming is in beta. Waking is in beta. The same frequency. So a lucid dreaming tape would put one into beta state. Who's to say that they don't simply return to full wakefulness, instead of dreaming? And how could the binaural make the listener lucid (since lucidity is also beta brainwaves)?

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Originally Posted by davis44

Here´s the theory in it:
"The key to Lucid Dreaming is going through the Delta (which causes dreamless sleep) then through Theta states (which will cause a Dream state), but instead of reaching the full Alpha state (that does not stimulate sleep)

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I'm not familiar with the names for all the brainwave frequencies, but I had an idea relating to the fact that many people get no results from binaurals. I remembered a strange fact a science teacher told me many years ago.

If you have some water at exactly 32 degrees fahrenheit, it could be a solid. It could be a liquid too. Depends whether you are increasing the temperature or decreasing. If the water is being frozen, then 32 will still be a liquid state. Past there, the water becomes solid ice. Conversely, ice melting will still be solid at 32 degrees before becoming liquid. I am not certain if this is in fact the case, but I had an idea relating to this.

If you go from wakefulness to sleep, then Beta would still be awake, which is what causes problems with binaural beats. The trick might be to drop to Delta, then come back up to Beta, where you are still asleep thanks to inertia.

I might try something with this later.

I see what you are saying, and have considered that myself. Great analogy to the state of water!

But the problem with that is... How do you know you won't just wake up? There are tracks that go from deep sleep to beta and are titled "wake up" tracks.

Beta is both waking and sleeping, and it encompasses a span of wavelengths. The thing to do would probably be to find the line between waking beta and sleeping beta.

Maybe a possible test would be a track that goes very slowly from deep sleep to relaxed but awake(one step above beta, the name escapes me) Sleep with it playing. At the point that you wake up, stop the track and see what the frequency is, and treat it as the border between wake and REM.