would apples work? i want to know cause i don't have apple juice right now but have eaten a couple apples.
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would apples work? i want to know cause i don't have apple juice right now but have eaten a couple apples.
I've heard it said that apple juice is more effective at keeping you awake than coffee. I can see how it might keep you awake, but being more "alert" might make for a more vivid dream.
This thread really captured my interest. I tried it last night. I'll be doing several different trials
Trials one: Sleep from 12:30-6:30. I took a Surbex-T B Complex Pill before sleep and upon waking at 6:30 drank half a glass of apple juice. I then typed out my dream, which I was on the brink of becoming lucid before waking to my alarm, and then turned on the lucid dreaming subliminal message song while reading some of the DV threads. Drank the rest of the AJ and then I went back to sleep at 6:50 using WBTB. It wasn't quite successful. I don't fully recall my dreams. But I can remember they were relatively vivid and involved at least my sense of touch in addition to sight and sound.
Tonight: Sleep from 12:45/1:00-6:00. B Complex before sleep, plus half a glass of AJ. Wake up, Half the remaining AJ, Song, Write Dreams, Check DV, Finish AJ, Sleep.
I'll report my results tomorrow
Edit: I have a feeling AJ+WBTB is a going to give me good results generally. I won't lose hope easily.
This really works. last night I had about one cup before bed and had two fully vivid dreams, as apposed to my usual remember-only-the-last-two-seconds dreams I've been getting recently. unfortunately it made me have a deeper sleep, so I didn't respond to my alarm clock.
Why does it need to be a blind experiment? I can't necessarily mix placebos in with my Surbex T's, or make a fake apple juice and drink that. This is simply trial and error to see what works best for me. Perhaps the results will inspire other people who are interested to try one of the methods I used as well.
I'm not doing the trails for notes, or research, I'm simply a Lucid Dreamer who needs to hone his skills before he's able to call himself a regular.
Wish me luck,
O-Suchin
(Results from last night)
As for Last Night:
Vivid dreams but low recall. I missed a few blatant Dream Signs. Nothing special to report. I didn't have a lucid. Tonight I'm drinking the Apple Juice before bed and taking the Surbex T pill at the same time. I'm sleeping from 1-6:30, waking up, reading about lucid dreaming for 10 minutes, taking a warm shower, then going back to sleep. The Warm Shower-Sleep transition is how i had most of my lucid dreams in high school, Before I realized what they were.
O-Suchin
Well you said trials, so I meant that you if you want to do a serious, scientific study you should. It's awesome that you are documenting them, but yes unless that is done you have to consider the factor that you are aware that you are ingesting these things. Still, best of luck :D I for one believe that the juice can have an effect, so I'm looking forward to hearing of your successes :D
To anyone who was interested in my experimenting with different methods,
I'm sorry I forgot to update. I've been busy with christmas preparations and friends. I didn't do all the trials I wanted to but, I at least in my case I found apple sauce to be a better Lucid Aid than Apple Juice. Has anyone experienced a similar situation?
O-Suchin
Yes, Apple Sauce my friend. Mott's Apple Sauce, I don't believe there was any cinnamon in it. I finished half of a standard jar. I'd tell you the exact Oz. and everything but it's downstairs, and I am unfortunately upstairs. I'm not sure how much credit I'm prepared to give it though. I had my Lucid Dream last night by WILDing, and I ate the apple sauce 6 hours prior to that.
Good Luck with either product and I'd love to make this into an experiment we can conduct with multiple members on DV, feel free to lead the way.
O-Suchin
I'd enjoy such an experiment, too, though it would be hard to come up with placebos I think. research forums
ahh, thank you for the link Shift. I had no idea such a section existed within DV.
Happy Holidays all around
O-Suchin
Shift, may I suggest in these test trials that you have experienced people and inexperienced. For the vet dreamer, it may be difficult to see if there was any great improvement as they are already up to scratch. With the newbies, I think it would be easier to spot a greater contrast. Throwing it out there. Best of luck, happy dreaming to all!
Sounds good! I'll try it next night.
E: Didn't have apple juice, :P so I drank orange-grape-peach-mango-passion fruit juice :D after 6½ hours of sleep. Didn't have lucid, but exceptional long dream. :O
I'll try this again when I have apple juice. :P
Apple juice seems to work for me as well. I've had one glass before bed for the past week and had at least one vivid dream each night, plus one lucid dream (only lasted about ten seconds because I think it was at the end of my REM cycle). For the past two days, though, I didn't drink any and my recall decreased tremendously.
I don't usually have apple juice at my house. Do apples alone work?
The article mentions both apples and apple juice; I don't think it makes much of a difference. I don't have apple juice either, but I'll try it once I get some.
Yes, just read the thread. All the information is available in it for you to read.
I drinked a glass of Apple Juice last night and I had a very long vivid dream.
Probably just a concidence or a placebo effect but I'll try again tonight.
Well, it looks like I am off to buy some Apple Juice.
Now I need a way to keep it away from my family, they will drink it all! And I can't exactly tell them why I am drinking Apple Juice aha!
Lol mrdeano, my family will drink all of my apple juice too. And they did. >.<
I didn't notice much of a difference after drinking apple juice. I didn't do it with a WBTB, I just drank it before going to bed. Ironically, I think I had less dreams on the nights that I drank apple juice.
I had vivid dreams every time i drunk juice, but it wasn't apple.
I drank apple juice last night while doing the WILD method.
And it worked!
It was the best LD I have had up to yet.
I like apple juice...
I was thinking about trying a wbtb for the first time tonight. I'll drink apple juice before I go back to bed, and see if it works.
i wish to thank everyone who gave this a go, it really does sound promising
i noticed there are alot more hits then misses that alone says it might work for me also, i cant afford to get any apples or juice till next week, will make a report sometime when i got them, wish me the best:bowdown:
Well, this thread is very interesting. Tonight im gonna try my own little 'experiment'. Im munching an apple and orange and drinking a glass of orange juice (as i have no AJ :( ) before bed, gonna WBTB after 4-5 hours sleep, and once i wake up ill eat 2 apples and post my results in the morning :D. It was mentioned that newbies should try to test the effects. So here goes nothing!
since i can not get apples or juice till next week, all i had in the house was a big bag of cheese..... so i eat half a bowl full before bed last night:shock:
maybe that was a bit much.... throughout the day i took one st johns wort tab... i don't know if that added to it.
but also with the half bowl of cheese i also took a Valerian pill.
i have not had a dream like i had last night in... i don't know how long its been... it was fun but very disturbing, it was if i went into some alternate universe or something.... very strange..... I'm trying the cheese again to night!:D
and my cheese is the shredded type, give me a sec ill go read the exact label
Cole's smart buy: shredded tasty cheddar cheese, this is meant to work also?
oh i nearly forgot, i also been eating a raw onion on and off all day also.
even if i wanted to share this dream with you guys, i couldn't and wouldn't know where to start... it was awesome and funny but at the same time it was evil at the same time, very very vivid but nowhere near lucidity, god I'm just imagining what the apples and juice are gonna do! holy fuck!!!!!!
here is for the power of the apple and the cheese:bowdown:
i cannot begin to emphasize how much i agree with this.
So i did what i said i would in my last post. And i had THE-MOST-SURREAL-NIGHT-OF-MY-LIFE..
when i munched an apple orange and the orange juice, nothing special happened. But when i did a wbtb after 4-5 hours sleep and ate 2 apples, i tried a WILD. I was doing a mantra as a fallback 'The next time im dreaming, i will realise im dreaming and do a reality check'. I got bored of trying to WILD as it was taking a while, so i rolled over and went to sleep. So the earliest thing i remember is (in my dream) i wake up in a bed in college, and see this weird pandington bear head and shit myself, and imeadiatly close my eyes. As soon as i close my eyes in the dream, i get SP. MANIC SP. Now i dunno if i was really feeling it or if it was the dream, but it sure felt real.
As i was lying there in SP i thought YES! I can use this to LD!(not realising i was dreaming at the time) and i swear, i saw the dream start to form. Then i somehow jumped into this dream :shock: This is my second ever LD, and all i did was try to spin to stabilize it, which was suprisingly hard :lol: I should also note this LD was like, SUPER vivid. My first LD looked sort of dreamlike, but this one was like waking life vivid. I thought what to do, saw a van going down the road and decided to try running super fast. I managed to catch up with it and run quick and light footed enough to walk on a massive puddle of water without sinking ( i was proud) and rubbed my hands as i did this, to make sure i didnt loose lucidity. But then, there was INSTANT blackness. Then i had an FA, but i didnt wake up in my bed, i woke in the college bed again.. i then proceeded to have an immensly vivid and long dream, in which i had ANOTHER FA.
This is where it gets confusing.. I woke up in some weird place, and my mum, this boy i know, and some girl i see about the place was there. They was doing something weird, then i had ANOTHER FA. I got out of bed, and the SAME place and people i saw before the FA where there. I tried telling them all that i have had a dream about this before but they didnt beleive me, told me to shut up and gave me a bag of weed :D This dream proceeded to be long and vivid also
I then had yet ANOTHER FA and woke up in a room where a bunch of people i know where playing like a call of duty game, where the opening of it is a war kicking off, but with sonic music. I saw it and was like 'this is lame, the music kills the epicness' then realised it was sonic sounding music. Then someone tells me, 'Its a COD & Sonic crossover game'. We played it, and i remember the game quick well, as it played just like a real game. You got to choose your character, be it a helicopter, tank, soldier, sonic or tails. Anyways, when i woke up from this i was in my real bed really awake, and you dont realize how puzzled i was by this whole thing. The SP thing, has anyone had that happen before, like dreamed about having SP but you feel your real body paralized or something? It was weird and i probably explained the whole thing in an odd way, but this is how i experienced it :lol:
So, my conclusion thus far...KUDOS to Apples (even if theyre placebo)
Im sooo gonna try again tonight.
I drunk a whole carton before bed last night and had three vivid dreams. Not conclusive evidence, but good nonetheless. haha.
well, i thought i'd add my experience to this. I drank a big glass of apple juice and ate a small box of raisins last night just before bed. I tried a WILD as soon as i got in bed, but couldnt get as far as I have been able to in the past (meaning, sleep paralysis and such). Then, I had at least three very vivid dreams (non-lucid). However, by this morning, I couldn't remember any of them, just the emotions I associated with them.
Anyways, it is definately showing some potential for me and I intend to try it again, especially after sleeping first.
All I have is mango juice...
Damn, I wanna try this! Mogzy92's post is inspirational. That's so cool. Perhaps this depends on the person too? I guess we can see.
I think any juice would work, right?
I want to see what'll happen if you replace every drink with a glass of juice :D
I did a WBTB last night. I woke up around 6:15 and stayed up an hour. Before I went back to sleep I drank about two glasses of apple juice and went to bed. It took me a little while to go to sleep, but I had a really long dream that was really odd. I ran out of juice, but I'm eager to try again.
Well, normally I can remember about 1 dream per night, but I would definatly say that I had a longer and more unusual dream than I normally do. Wether or not that was due to apple juice or happenstance, I don't fully know.
What I do know is that apple juice is tasty, and I'm going to get some more and try again to see if it has the same effect. And thanks. :) Glad to finally be getting into the swing of things.
maybe this will end my dry spell.
am gonna try this as soon as i can.
on Wednesday just gone, i brought 4 liters of apple juice, yes 4 liters! lol
the first night, i drank 4 cups; i didnt dream much that night, but i was also pretty stoned, so...... i cant say
the second night, i had a pretty damn vivid dream <i had nothing else in my system> it was quite a disturbing dream, and i dunno if i should share it... nope i wont! its just to sick......
last night, i was quite drunk, but i drank a glass of apple juice before bed, and during wbtb..... had a very very very sad dream involving a girl, i knew.... but who i don't really know at all...........
one thing i have noticed so far, is the emotional dreams that apple juice seems to induce, i don't know if that's a bad thing or good thing..... i felt so sad when i woke up but i was hungover too...so yeah
thats my report for now...... apple juice makes some emotional dreams:(
Can't wait to give this a try. I have not had a lucid dream since christmas and I'm so hoping this will work for me.
I think it's safe to say fruit juices help in most cases :D
For the past 2 nights I have gone to bed at 11 and set my alarm to wake me up at 5. I drank 2 200ml cartons of apple juice before going back to sleep for 2 hours until I needed to get up for work but Unfortunately I have still been unable to have any LD's. I don't even think my dreams has got any more vivid. Can someone suggest any idea to what I'm doing wrong. Thank
I didn't have any LDs. But think my dreams were more vivid.. idk i'm going to try it again tonight.
Holy crap!
Yesterday, as I was thinking about lucid dreaming supplements, I noticed we had some Omega-3 fatty acid fish tablets (:roll:), and um, I took 5 times the regular amount (hey, it's impossible to OD on and most American's have a deficiency of DHA anyway (and it helps with brain function so I went "ok!") :P). 5 pills (those nasty ones that look like normal pills put then pop and spew oil all over your tongue and teeth).
DID I HAVE AN LD OR WHAT? :banana:
There we have it, folks. 1000mg of DHA will give you splendid, splendid dreams with a yucky taste in your mouth.
And with 90 pills for $8 + tax, it's a lot of dreams for a good price :)
I'm going to start a research thread soon. Anybody who reads this and has a couple of fish oil pills to spare, please share results :)
Hmmmm. Where can I get these pills? I just picked up Melatonin and some vitamin B6, but didn't have any great results. I've only taken them two days though, so I'm going to give it awhile. I'm willing to experiment with a lot of different supplements, as long as I know where to get them.
Wow, there are a lot of inspirational posts on this thread. One thing nobody mentioned is that if you're going to drink apple juice before bed, or during a WBTB, make sure to either brush your teeth afterwards or rinse your mouth out with water. It can really decay your teeth while you sleep due to the lack of saliva etc.
With that said, I'm going to drink some tonight and some more during a WBTB and hopefully have some good results to post!
ZM
Wow, this sounds interesting. Will try tonight.
Well I had mixed results with my AJ experiment. I drank 1/2 a cup before bed at 1am. I set my alarm for 7am but woke up at 5am to go to the bathroom. It felt like I had been dreaming for hours but I could only remember flashes of the dream. The flashes were vivid but they were only a few seconds. My recall might have been screwed up because when awoke I immediately started calculating sleep times and how it sucked I woke up after only 4 hours of sleep. Anyway, after going to the bathroom, I drank another 3/4 cup of AJ, stayed up for about 20 minutes and tried some WILD techniques but gave up and just went to sleep. I awoke again at 8:45am and again, felt like I had been dreaming for HOURS but could only remember a few vivid flashes. I think I had one false awakening in there.
Maybe I didn't drink enough but I eat a lot of sugar during the day and it felt wrong drinking the sweet AJ throughout the night. I think I'm going to stick with magnesium glycinate, b6 and choline bitartrate for my dream aids.
ZM
I only have applejuice from concentrate. will that still help? and will it still work if you drink it before bed?
As I wrote in my last post, I'd given up on apple juice because it didn't really work for me and I wasn't into all the sugar. (I was using concentrate)
But last night I had an apple for dessert around 11:00pm. I tried to go to sleep around 12:45am (my normal time) and couldn't fall asleep till around 2am. I had to wake up for work at 7am. Well right before I woke up I was having some incredibly vivid and trippy dreams! One was my Dad and my teenage nephew smoking a giant joint together and it had a weird cigar sticking out of it. (I've been sober for 10 years and rarely come across pot these days) In another part of the dream, me and someone else took a copy of the entire earth out into space and were somehow shooting energy beams from it. I was concerned that the people back on earth (the real earth was back where we took this earth from) would be confused. This all made sense to my apple affected dreaming consciousness. Haha. I have another apple waiting for me. Probably eat it for dessert this weekend sometime and then go for a WILD in the morning!
ZM
yep, im sooo trying this
WOAH! Sounds awesome! *buys apple juice*
Well I tried it out and THAT NIGHT I had a very long and vivid dream.
I thought, well give it a shot, it won't hurt. So I took 1 glass apple juice before going to bed and half a glass in the middle of the night.
I also did listen 1 hour to binaural beats so maybe that's involved.
But I could remember 5 dreams, two very long ones with full details. However no lucid one this night. I keep the aplle juice in my routine for a while...
I bought me some Simply Apple, I'll edit in the morning if I notice anything. Drinking roughly 8oz before bed.
I'll try it and get back to you on it tomorrow.
It's difficult to tell if this works or not. I'm guessing you need pretty good dream recall to begin with; when I drank glasses of apple juice before bed, I didn't notice too much of a difference.
Hm, has anyone tried orange juice?
I tried Tropicana orange juice before bed, and nothing really changed. Normal dream recall. Anyone else try it, though?
I had apple juice every night the last weeks. I had two LD's and many recalls.
My conclusion about A'juice is that it has some effect on your dreams and recalls, but the effect is small and Apple juice is not THE key for LD.
Still I keep Apple juice in my routine untill I found a better drink.
I won't try orange juice to much, it's very bad for your teeth when you drink it before going to bed.
Holy crap.
After reading this and drinking around 500mL of apple juice (sunrype from concentrate) before I went to bed last night, I had one short lucid dream and I was able to recall five dreams and most details in them. Gotta try this.
Peanut butter works too, I've heard?
i shud do this
i tried it and did have a pretty vivid dream i probably would have remebered it better if i hadnt had a beer or two before bed
i just remeber it was about football practice and i actally felt like i was there
My sister just purchased a juice from the store that she claimed was incredibly high with antioxidants... I'm going to try to get some of that juice and some apple juice not from concentrate. Ill start with the apple juice and then use the special juice... I'll probably have the results within a week
So what kind of juice works? From concentrate or not from concentrate? Im going to go buy some. Oh, peanut butter also works great. A year ago, I remember eating some peanut butter and I had an LD. How much should you take?
Even apple-flavored mineral water works - which clearly states it's just concentrate. Funnily enough, I discovered that independently and made AJ a part of my technique (posted here, if anyone's interested:http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...58#post1207758). Orange juice MIGHT work, too. This one time I devoured a whole orange in the middle of the night and then had my first LD in years.
Hey everyone, trying apple juice tonight, just downed a peanut butter and banana sandwich and washed it down with milk, but will be drinking apple juice right before bed and in the midst of the night.
I am SO interested in all this stuff, having my first OBE 4 nights ago.
take care guys
i tried it it didnt really work, interestingly the only night it really worked i slammed a beer drank the apple juice and had dreams
Tried apple juice nd I can tell I had quite more detailed dreams. The only problem is I am having a little trouble targeting my REM periods so my recall last night was terrible (I didn't remember them till morning)
I drank two glasses of apple juice before bed last night at 11:20, and either had no dreams at all or no recall. It may just be because I was overly tired and didn't wake up between dream cycles. Bleh.
If the random dream I had a few nights ago was correct, though, chocolate milk is my maaaagical dream fluid. And I think I'm trying pomegranate-blueberry smoothies tonight, actually. For the lulz.
Do plain apples work? Love apples, hate apple juice. I can scoff like six down at once :oops:
I should try apple juice. Too much makes me sick though, lol
Actually, the last 2 times I had crazy dreams(the past week) was after eating a lot of beans (Bush's baked beans to be exact). We like to cook up beans and hot dogs... call it "weenies and beanies". Night of I had an interesting dream, but don't remember much of it... had 2 dreams I think. The next night, I had a lot of left overs(3 plates of beans. They're so damn good!) And I had the wierdest set of dreams ever. I don't know if they were seperate, but I remember 3 different scenarios
Next time we have that for dinner, I'm going to have a lot and see if I get anything. Would make for some cool LD's if I can remember to get lucid, lol
Sorry this hasn't QUITE been on topic
So, since the start of November, I've been drinking a shot of apple juice each night before bed (except for one). So far this month I have had 5 Lucids and some pretty darn vivid, long, in depth, dreams. Apple Juice has had a very noticeable effect for me, but not so much the lucids as the increase in clarity.
I suggest everyone try apple juice, even if you already have lucids on a regular basis.
Decided to bump this thread because apple juice works. I had a big glass an hour before bed last night and remembered about 6 dreams, 3 being very vivid. I was going through a bad recall peried but the apple juice pulled me out of it :)
I also need to bump this because I tried this before bed I remember 4 dreams, but later forgot one(i never wrote it down)
looks like everyone is having atleast some sucess with this so I gota try it. I hope I have some apple juice!
Not sure if this has already been brought up, but what about apple sauce and regular apples? If they contain the same stuff, the higher consistency would cause it to work its way through your system more slowly and have the same effect for a longer period of time, right?
Cranberry juice works soooo much better ^.-
I am definitely going to try this tonight! No wonder little kids have so many dreams, they always drink apple juice!
Also, if I keep drinking apple juice almost every night, will eventually my dreams not be as vivid because my body has gotten used to drinking apple juice all the time?
One more question. :D How early should I drink a glass of AJ before gong to bed?
I don't think its effect can be lessond by drinking it all the time because I think its because some vitaman or protien in the apple juice but Idk because I'm not sure thats why it increases lucidity. Also next time edit your posts into one. :P
Haha sorry. Results are:
2 almost vivid dreams!
Couldn't remember basically anything for the past week!
Apple juice really helps!
Wow seems to be working for everyone. I'm going to try. I dont have any apple juice atm but hopefully an apple can do the trick lol.
Yes, I've heard apples work too. A lot of people said that 2 apples were the equivalent of a cup of apple juice.
I've been trying Apple Juice the last few days and It's worked for me. The First night i tried almost 16 oz. I had a glass and then read that apple juice helps, then before bed had some more and remembered 2 very full very vivid dreams. (usually remember only 1 full one and a bunch of splices). Then last night I tried only 1 glass (8 0z) and only remembered one really vivid dream. Also had a false awakening of me going to drink more apple juice in the morning wearing a fedora on top of a bowler hat. (of which i only own 1)
Haha. So maybe the more you drink, the more you dream and remember?
Well, here's how last night went.
Drank about 5oz of apple juice before bed; woke up at 2:45 and drank about 4oz. Then went back to sleep woke up at 5:15, drank less than 4oz of AJ, then went back to sleep. Woke up at about 7:15 a.m. And in between 5:15 and 7:15 I kept waking up. So I didn't dream long.
I only remembered a fragment of each dream, and I only had 2 dreams. So I guess I need to drink more AJ. But the prob is is that I get so sick to my stomach, but I love apple juice. :(
This is really interesting, because my dream recall is usually pretty good and my dreams are usually extremely vivid. I usually drink apple juice a lot. Over the last few days I've had a dry spell for dream recall, and I also didn't drink any apple juice during that time because we were out until yesterday.
I've not had an LD yet, so I can't speak to the effects of apple juice on lucidity.
Just reporting that this worked for me as well, i ate an apple before bed and remembered 1 long vivid dream. but i only slept for 5 hours. i probably would have remembered more had i slept longer! actually thinking back, two days ago i had my first extremely vivid dream in a long time and i remember eating it apple right before bed! o-o
This definitely works!
hmmm, last night i tried just 1 glass of like 8 oz. and I remembered only 1 small portion of a dream. maybe i need to drink more? Also Ive been listening to some Subliminal Recall MP3s that i didn't listen to tonight.
Hmm, I have been continuing to drink the AJ before bed and in WBTB. I've been drinking about 7oz before bed.
I got into another dry spell, can't remember anything in 3 nights so far. Will try again tonight and see if I remember anything.
Wow, I drank a glass about 20 minutes before I went to bed and in the morning I remembered 3 separate, long dreams! Placebo? maybe. But it works!
I have a wierd feeling that it's just a placebo effect, but AJ definitely works for me too.
(Have I posted here before?)
Apple juice usually has large amounts of Vitamin C, which helps with the synthesis of neurotransmitters. Could that have any effect on dream vividness? I got that info from Wikipedia, so I don't actually know anything for sure.
could it be perhaps just the high sugar... giving the brain/memory some fuel? Forgive me if I sound naive - in any case I will certainly give apple juice a try.
Holy crap... I drank 10oz of apple juice when I woke up at 3:30AM last night. I had 4 LDs!!! Thats more than I have been able to have in 4 months! Thank you for the tip about the Apple juice!
EDIT: I drank 20oz of AJ before I went to bed too.
I will also repeat the same thing today, and post my results tomorrow.
Erm... I had no recall.
I tried this apple juice technique last night and I recalled 3 dreams, but not LD unfortunately. I'm gonna try it again tonight.
Do many of you users these days use this technique regulary?
Also I've seen dark chocolate be mentioned a few times. I'm gonna pick some up tomorrow, but how does the dark chocolate idea work? When do you eat it? Before bed? During WBTB?
Well I did a combo of peanut butter, celery, some choline in a pill (100mg), and apple juice before bed.
I woke up a bit later than I expected (I deprived myself the night before because I had to be at work at 3 am; First part of the WBTB was 4 pm-11 pm). I meant to get up at 10:00, but I stayed up for a little under an hour, and I had a very nice LD. The weird thing is the SP sounds were like a lawn mower. lol
I tried it. No lucid. But I had a really long dream, that may have continued when the next REM period started.
You can read about it here: Everything is Evil! - Dream Journals - Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource
this definitely works. i had 16oz before bed and recalled a very vivid dream compared to the usual ones. all of my recalled dreams are barely 2 sentences with very few details. this one was a paragraph
I know this is a bit of an epic bump but I tried this last night and it works amazingly. Here's my story:
I tried hard for two months to induce lucid dreams and I failed to get an actual LD. My dream recall improved tremendously but I got discouraged and quit. Cue a month later: I'm remembering maybe a dream per night when I hear about this technique. Right before bed I take a shot of apple juice and settle in. I wake up once, six hours later, with an intensely vivid dream. I write it down and go back to sleep. I wake up an hour later with ANOTHER dream. That's not unusual. So I go back to sleep for the final time and wake up an hour later...and I remember SEVEN completely different and vivid dreams.
My first night of using the apple juice method I remembered NINE VERY vivid dreams after going a week or two of just remembering one a night.
Not coincidence.
It's so funny that this thread popped up. The night before last night, I recalled about 3 dreams after drinking about 3 cups of apple juice. I don't believe it was a placebo either, because I had drank the apple for no intention other than to quench my thirst lol. We ran out of water, and it was too late to go buy some more, so instead I drank about 3 cups of A.J. I recalled 3 dreams, they were very, VERY bizarre dreams too.
Coincidence?
that happens to me if i eat peanut butter at night
I'll try this tonight. Will post results tomorrow.
Tried apple juice before sleeping at night, great results , 2 vivids .
Okay, results.
Me and my friend both tried apple juice. Drank some before bed, and a some more at a short WBTB around 4-5 hours after going to sleep. We both had vivid dreams. He rarely remembers details, but he could recall two vivid dreams clearly now. I could recall three vivid dreams, but no lucid. So it definitely did help.
ok, tonight I'm taking b6 and b12 but tomorrow night I will try maybe b12 with apple juice after 6 hours of sleep
I will report back ASAP
haha wow. i'm gonna try this tonight with WBTB
whether it actually works, or just works based on the placebo of a 13 page thread is irrelevant!
*stoked*
I've heard of the apple juice method for the longest time now.. but have never actually had the chance to try it. because i never usually have apple juice! haha. i got some earlier today and i'm trying it tonight before sleep. Then ill have another glass with a 50mg B6 tablet (natural) during a WBTB 5 hours into sleep. i'll post results after I wake up.
I drank two glasses of apple juice yesterday and I don't remember anything exept for about 10 seconds where i was watching the rain fall on the pavement however I will try the apple juice for about 30 days and tehn arrive at a conclusion.
I also think that those that are trying the apple juice should not use any other drink or drugs that may affect them for at least 2 days thus making the experiment more valid and reliable.
I did a combo of choline, apple juice, peanut butter, and a cranberry raspberry juice. Had another quite vivid lucid during a wbtb.
hmmm... If everyone is assuring that Apple Juice is actually a lucid aid. We have to figure out!
1. What brand works best.
2. Whats in apple juice that make it work? (like a vitamin or a magical lucid unicorn)
3. Is it just a Placebo?
I personally think that this couldn't be a placebo cus everyone is saying it works and there are probably a very magical vitamin in it.
I'll try it as soon as possible and report back!! :D
Apple Juice traditionally does have vitamins. One notable is B6. There isn't a lot, but there is some in it.
I have been drinking more apple juice this week than I use to, before bed and when going back to sleep. I have not noticed any real difference. :(
I tried last night, but because the air in my room is so stale, I wasn't able to get any good sleep, so I wasn't able to go under. I felt some of the waves traveling, but then another cough came...
Hmmm, may be worth a shot. I tend to drink quite a lot of apple juice anyway, and don't have that many vivid dreams. But I'll try drinking it during a WBTB and see how it works. Should be interesting :)
Drank 2 cups of apple juice made from concentrate and ate an apple. I have VERY vivid dreams, which lasted for over 4 minutes! And I still remember them clearly, without writing them down!
My friend and my dad were in some chinese urban city, and they killed alot of tourists, and then they were sent in jail and I visited them daily until they got out. I had full control.
It took me 1 hour after waking to realize that it was just a dream :(
Sounds interesting will try this tonight :D once before bed and another during WBTB (If I can be bothered lol)
Two questions: If I drink a glass during the day, will it aid me at night? I have a juicer that I bought today. Will fresh apples work better than store bought apple juice?
Had a glass of apple juice from asda before bed, recalled 2 dream fragments, had my first lucid dream
op i love you
nice i took a big glass
and i will probably wake up tonight i will drink another one and watch the subliminal lucid vid!
well it didn't helped me in the night! but i had a horrible sleep tonight so maybe thats also why
I drink it almost every night before I go to sleep. I would say it helps my recall alot actually. Great stuff! Not from concentrate though! Real Tropicana apple juice is what you want.
woah, a lot of good responses eh?
i love apple juice, definitely going try this tonight..
will be needing more apple juice if i
see results though!
hey wat about eating and apple before bed would that have same affect?
apple sauce didnt work
so i bought some juice
Hi (this is my first post here :) )
I was a tad skeptical when i read about this a few days ago , but out of curiosity went down to the supermarket and bought some apple juice from concentrate. Up until i bought it , my dream recall was pretty crap , but since Monday night ive drank a cup of it before going to bed. Yesterday morning i managed to recall fragments of one dream and this morning remembered 3 , with hints of lucidity in one.
So , it appears this stuff does work , i'll see what happens tonight :banana:
Last night, I blended together an apple with apple juice and apple sauce (I know, I'm weird), but had to drink two bottles of water as well because I had three beers yesterday (and I get splitting headaches if I sleep after having beer without lots of water). Then, as per a suggestion here for Dream Recall, I wrote out my DAY'S activities in a Dream Journal style just before bed. Unfortunately, that got me to sleep later than I was hoping. I only got 6 hours of sleep AND was up to the bathroom off and on throughout the night. Sometimes I overdo it and last night I did, cause I kept myself up for another half hour listening to binuaral beats.
So with little sleep, and constantly up and back to bed, I got up at 4am and drank some apple juice.
Last night's dreams were like watching an annoying friend hold the remote control to your inner TV. Just kept flipping through the channels, and wouldn't stop on the few interesting looking dreams I fleetingly remember having, but then decides to stop on a work-related dream! And even it wasn't very significant.
So despite little sleep and a lite headache (and a full bladder all night), the apples DID seem to enhance my dream activity. Now, hopefully I can do it all again WITHOUT the beer, tons of water, and get MORE sleep!
~Oneironeer
I was having a bit of a dry spell recently, but after trying some apple juice last night (and Chili for supper, FWIW), I had three rather vivid, but non-lucid, dreams. Unfortunately two of them were mild nightmares, involving spiders :eek:. Still... trying again tonight, with the goal of completing the advanced lucid TotM.
Damn, I just ran out of my bottle.
I'm going to the store and trying this tonight haha.
How much should be drank?
Would crangrape juice (cranberry with the tangy of grape :cheeky:) have the same or atleast somewhat close to the effect apple juice has?
Tried it twice, drank a lot of it. No effect. lol
WOW omg.. Soo many positive results!!!
I HAVE TO TRY THIS.. Unfortunately I dont have any apple juice.
Anyone know if just a good old apple after during a WBTB would have the same effect?
Thanks. :drool::drool:
Some other Forums that I've read concerning whether Apples help with dreams or not and EVERYONE would say its just placebo, but then on here a huge majority of people are claiming how much its helped them so I decided to test it out for myself.
I made myself a Banana peanut butter smoothie with blueberries before bed
(bananas and peanut butter always help me with dreams and blueberries are just a little boost)
I didn't have AJ so I ate 1 apple before bed @ 11:30 pm and woke up at around 2:30 am and I NEVER wake up in the middle of the night!
I had one dream but nothing special and when I woke up I didn't realize I was awake and took too long to write it down.
I ate 2 apples and tried to go to bed but I'm very awake and lay there for a looong time.
I remind myself "The next time I'm dreaming I will be aware that I'm dreaming"
around 6:30 I finally fall asleep and woke up (by myself) around 9:40 am.
and WOW, what a HUGE difference those apples made!
I have never had such a reaction to having my regular bananas and blueberries!
I remembered 5 dreams! very vivid, It was so realistic! :)
Jorge said earlier that his dreams were very emotional and the same happened with me,
I cried so much in the first dream (dog got hit by a car) and in the last dream a large pig was
chasing me and my friends in a trapped area and for a brief moment I thought to myself "Is this a dream?"
I looked at my hand and it was so incredibly real... it even had the smudge of the word Lucid I write on my hand
every other day to remain aware. In regular dreams my hands are always clean and never show smudges.
I was too frightened to do a reality check and ran away. I also had one FA about writing these dreams down but
my journal was so small and I wrote them down weird and hardly had any space left to finish and somehow the DJ
was filled up with random notes so I couldn't write anymore! so frustrating!
I'm going to buy Simply Apple juice today and try again tonight.
Not going to go into much detail because for me, Apple Juice and Apples had totally different outcomes!
I drank one cup of apple juice before bed, had a mild dream, slightly vivid.
woke up 5 hours later and had 2 glasses of AJ and went back to bed.
When I woke up I remember absolutely NOTHING!
I know I was just dreaming… about something. :shakehead2:
and I remember 2 dreams a night regularly but some people did complain that the AJ got rid of their dream recall.
I definitely prefer Apples of the juice but it all depends on how you feel about it.
I’m going to eat some apples tonight because it was just too amazing the first time!
I had an extra long wbtb and ate an apple hoping it would help. It definitly didn't hurt. I got my first WILD
Metabolism
Everyone's metabolism is different. There's a book called "eat right for your metabolic type". I think it's out of print, but you can probably torrent it somewhere. It mentions 4 major metabolic types. One type - adrenal is very sensitive to sugar. As far as I remember, adrenal type features slim body frame and index and ring fingers being of the same length. For such people, sugar and refined carbs overloads their adrenal gland and pretty much puts them into very deep sleep. This feels like torture if it happens at 2PM at work, although if one can take a 3 hour nap, it feels really good.
I don't know what kind of effect that would have on the full night's sleep. There may be some kind of REM rebound effect, or a synergy effect between naturally produced sleep hormones and this "knock you out" kind of sleep.
This may be part of the reason why some people have success...
PS. I'm not sure if I posted this before.
This sounds fantastic, out of all the cholinergic supplements out there I have never heard of apple-juice. I will not only look more into this, but try it as well.
Thanks for the idea!
One of my meditation/dream teachers in Indonesia made a big deal about eating a lot of apples. He said they were a 'heavenly' fruit.
I only recently discovered their link to Acetylcholine. If this is true, apples'll be a poor man's Galantamine!
In regards to having an apple - wasn't there some study that said having an apple wakes you up more than coffee (ie have a apple when you wake up to really get you awake in the mornings). Maybe that has something to do with having good recall?
I drank some apple juice the other day before going to sleep and I also took melatonin. The results are in my DJ entry party and police station (I think thats what i named it) The dream was fairly vivid. I remember the feeling of being burned was particularly intense. Physical sensations were the most vivid part of the dream.
A lot of treatments for alzheimers and memory loss seem to be good for dreaming too. The parts of the brain used must be similar. It might be worth googling herbs and foods that improve memory.Quote:
Maybe that has something to do with having good recall?
Drank about 1 cup of apple juice during a WBTB not too long ago. I had three separate dreams that I remember to be vivid at the time, but I have somewhat bad recall. Bees had attacked me and I got stung on my leg. I woke up and still had the sensation.
I think its half placebo and half nutrition effect. my apple effect was slowly wearing off, so I kinda gave up. but I tried it again last night and its effect came back, my dream was so vivid.
now I should try both peanut butter and apple :D
I'm an apple juice addict, but I almost never have it before bed! I'll definitely try this, and maybe replace my end-of-day pepsi with apple juice :)
Does Pepsi help you lucid dream?!?!? haha seriously. Maybe it's the caffeine and the phosphorus.
Hardly! I only got back into lucid dreaming about a week ago and I rarely have vivid dreams, let alone lucid :P it's just a habit, it hasn't hurt the sleep itself but who knows, maybe it's worsening my dreaming experience? I've got experimenting to do :)
Edit: I had a glass of apple juice before bed and at 5:00 when I tried to WILD (and failed). I remembered 2 long (by my standards) dreams and a sentence-long dream. That's better than my norm (which is 1 at best). I had a lot of trouble sleeping, but I don't blame the apple juice, I think I was just trying too hard to get a lucid :P Although the last few seconds of a dream did have lucid-like qualities to it, I don't think it counts since I never really realized I was dreaming.
I tried this last night. I had 8 oz. Before bed and 8 during my wbtb. I had 4 long, detailed extremely vivid dreams. One of them was a lucid. This shits crazy man. It's the only "supplement" that has actually worked for me.
So I was at a store today to buy the usual stuff, and I came across some apple cider pills. Has anyone tried these or do anybody know if it could have any effect at all? I don't really want to buy them if they do nothing at all, because it costs 20 bucks for 30 pills.
I have a whole fridge filled with apple juice - it wouldn't hurt to take one in the middle of the night :)
I don't know about apple juice, but mango juice tends to make me nervous if I go to sleep straight after having it..
I tryed it last night. Im' new to lucid dreaming so I didn't have a lucid dream.
I did notice, though, that my one dream was so much more realistic, and I remember the whole thing. Plus it was so much clearer than usual. I'm going to try again tonight
Hey guys, giving this thread a friendly bump ;)
I drank a load of apple juice last night and had a bunch of extremely rich and vivid dreams. Anyone who hasn't tried apple juice...you should.
Sweet!
Yea, I want to get heaps of natural apple juice (Like, legit, from a juicer... Like, my own) and drink heaps and try it out.
This is crazy, sound's like Apple Juice is the vivid dream/lucid dreaming miracle! I'd try it if I had apple juice:(
would eating an apple work, I don't have any apple juice!
Yes, eating an apple or 2 during a WBTB or before bed helps heaps!
Hmm, had like 350ml of pure apple juice last night... Didn't seem to have too much of an effect though...
Oh, btw, it's not placebo..
Apples contain something which increases acetylcholine in the brain, which is directly linked to your minds processing power, memory, and awareness. :)
I drank apple juice last night and had one of the most vivid dreams I've had lately. Doing it again tonight for sure.
I'm gonna buy some today!
Give some to my GF too, See if we can share a dream xD
It reminds me the great experience I had with apple juice (once from 2 tries). I will try it tonight again!
Lol, how is both of you having apple juice going to make you share a dream... o_O
Just want to see your thoughts behind your statement... :P
I've also head of pomegranate making for vivid dreams, not sure if thats been said in this thread already. Unfortunately I only have cran-grape juice open in my fridge at the moment.
Yea I've herd pomegranate helps quite a bit.. xD
Also to do with acetylcholine in the brain. :D
All I can imagine it doing is causing you to wake up in the night to go to the bathroom :silly:
Not gonna lie...Im brand new to attempting this lucid dreaming stuff, as of two days ago. I tried this apple juice before bedtime and in the middle of the night thing and I have to say the dreams that I had last night were some of the most lifelike dreams Ive had in a long time. With that being said, I had no idea they were dreams at the time and would wake up and say "damnit, ill realize its a dream NEXT time" , only to have another dream and not realize its a dream. Im so bad.
Anyway, it at least helped me have more memorable and realistic dreams than I usually do.
I tried this last night. Had a glass before bed and a glass at around 3:00. I woke up around 5:00 am to use the bathroom and record my dream. I have to say, I didn't really notice a huge difference. I was able to recall in detail, and it was my first DJ entry for a little while. But I'm willing to chalk that up to being more active because I was experimenting with something new.
Can I eat apples instead of drinking apple juice to get the same effect? That is, to achieve vivid dreams?
Welp, Im back to say I had my first ever lucid dream (although it lasted like 5 minutes) 2 days after drinking apple juice before bed. Not sure if its because I've been doing a lot of reading on here about it, or its the juice, or both.
Absolutely unreal. I could feel the sun on my body. Really neat. I dont understand why this is not more popular or commonly known about...I look forward to going to sleep now.
Thanks for all the cool information on this website.
Congratz! Hmm I need some apple Juice at my house. my mom never buys juice though. I've asked but I guess she always forgets.
I'm going to try this. I'll report my results.
I have tried using Apple Juice (Concentrate) on three seperate mornings over the last week. Not consecutive mornings however.
First two times were after sleeping approx. 5 and-a-half hours, then getting up via the alarm clock, then drinking about half a cup of the Apple Juice from the fridge whilst having a 10 min. WBTB. (Probably do an RC check whilst awake during this time.)
(N.b: I would probably take another 10-15 min. trying to drop off to sleep.)
Result: On both occasions I did get a short lucid dream, but in general I would say that I did have a better than average recall.
Last night: This attempt was near enough the same as the first two. The main exceptions being an extended WBTB time of approx. 33 minutes. Also it took me approx. 40-50 min trying to get back to sleep. (Relaxation exercise included!)
This is probably due to me deciding to experiment with the mixture a little by making an Apple Juice 'cocktail', by adding a little bit of white wine to it. My excuse being that the wine had gone a bit 'flat', so had to be used up! :wino: This made my cup about three-quarters full.
I then ate a banana.:banana:
Spent the other 20 odd minutes listening on the radio, contemplating my surroundings; including an RC check, then went to bed after a trip to the bathroom.
Result: (Apart from a grumbling stomach.)
Firstly had a Sleep Paralysis type lucid dream where I could feel the vibrations leading to a sort of strong sinking/floating feeling with good lucidity and relocation. Quite pleasant!
A couple more non-lucid dream snippets. One where my GF tried to get into bed with me where she was fully clothed.
Then finally having a really bizzare 'sexual' type dream (which is not that common for me) which was very vivid, auditory and tactile in nature. (I class it as a vivid dream only, because lucidity did not cross my mind. However I think that I did change something in this dream whilst it was happening?)
Also I was able to visualise and create hypnopompic type dream scenes whilst half-awake. (Alot easier for me than normal.)
Conclusion: I would recommend using the Apple Juice which does seem to help. You are not guaranteed a lucid dream, but dreams in my experience generally did seem more vivid. I will certainly be trying it again! (Time will tell however as one Swallow doesn't make a Summer.)
However I would add that the concentrate version does contain alot of sugar, so do wash your teeth afterwards.:D
It might help if you have tried WBTB before where you have had some sort of lucid or SP experience, rather than using it for a first time attempt IMO. If I had never had a lucid dream / SP prior to this then this would have freaked me out!
Mind you I did mix it with wine - I do not advise beginners do this, if you have a dependency, or if you are driving soon afterwards.
(11/4/12)
Tried the same WBTB technique this morning after having about 5 hours of sleep with the exception that I slept on after my alarm (which was set at 5am) by 8 minutes.
I then got up, made my Apple Juice cocktail in the kitchen with no banana this time. WBTB routine lasted half-an-hour, as usual.
Went to the bathroom; then back to bed where I dropped off to sleep quickly this time.
Results:
Woke up approx. an hour later (6.36am) where I had a dream where I was talking to this girl about ordering something off a menu card at this table. I didn’t seem with it. I had to explain to her that I felt tired, “like another world”. It felt like it was five in the morning?
However, this was a non-lucid dream.
After waking up from this I did feel a little ‘disappointed’ that I felt this morning’s experience was ordinary when comparing it to my previous times.
However, I must have dropped off to sleep again where I had a very vivid dream experience to put it midly!
I’m not sure on the exact start of the dream, nor what type of dream it is. I did record it quickly this morning first thing as ‘OBE / Lucid’ but on later reflection I’m not sure this labelling is correct as I did not have any real control or reasoning.
Basically from what I remember is feeling a sort of turning sensation whilst in bed I think. It seemed easier after as if I was on some sort of bubble, which helped me rotate. Next I seemed to be looking upwards, not really seeing anything at first. I strain to open my right eyelid to see where I notice some light. (Like when you are trying to wake up.) I then close it.
(Note: I can't do this in real life unless I hold my left eyelid down first.)
Next I see sunlight / the sun, which is not blinding or strong. It feels like I’m in a big panoramic scene, sort of rectangular. (I am tempted to say a room, but I’m not sure of this?) This view I get is absoutely amazing.
I now see a TFT monitor screen showing some media channel , which is upside-down. (Text / screen colours mostly red like Sky TV, etc.) I remember reaching out and turning it around to the correct way with my hands.
I think that I had a couple of false-awakenings after this, even one where I was writing the dream events down. One was where I dreamt it was 9.40am.
This seemed to tie in to the next part of the dream where my bedroom is like it is open-plan. There is a room next to it where the door is ajar. The TV is on (I think in that room?) where the sound seems to drown out everything to the point of distraction. I think my sister features in this dream somehow.
I am standing about a metre or so to the right of my bed. I feel drained. I feel tired. I feel SP vibrations going down my arms to the point where it starts to hurt and where ‘energy’ starts to come out of my hands and fingers. (My arms are at my sides.)
After I remember seeing two A4 size pictures (possibly both mine?) which are mounted in ‘click frames’ with wood-board backs which were warped by the heat. Both pictures were one above each other on a wall with bluish wallpaper with flower designs on it. I got the impression this was my old bedroom.
The pictures, where the lower one of which seemed to be of the cottage I had drawn (but had a bit of colour in it now in this dream) were above a small wall mounted radiator.
Woke up at about 7.41 am.
Went to sleep again until 9.50 am when I got up. (During this time I had no other dreams to report.)
Conclusion:
Apple juice more than just a placebo effect? :D
Originally I wasn't going to attempt, or even try a WBTB as I had a splitting headache for most of the day, probably due to being tired. Therefore I didn't bother setting my alarm clock as usual. I just went to bed with an aching head still.
Woke up this morning naturally at about 5.05 am, feeling better.
Remembered a short dream which I wrote down. The name 'Wendy Craig' (British TV actress) cropped up.
I got out of bed for 10 mins. finally finishing the juice carton off. (No wine this time, or banana.)
Back to bed where I dropped off to sleep quickly.
I did manage to recall (quite well) about 3-4 dreams afterwards. Two of which it crossed my mind 'if I was dreaming' but I failed to carry out RC's.
The first dream (before 7.58 am) involved an episode of Sleep Paralysis and associated vibrations, where I heard a part of a sentence containing the word 'dying' which was a bit spooky! :eek:
(I was somehow sleeping on part of my front, with my legs outstretched in real life in the bed, as well as it seemed to be so in the dream.)
In one of the paragraphs / sentences above I have used the word 'failure'. However I mean the term in a more general, sort of looser sense. The reason being, I think that you always gain something out of every experience, no matter what.
I tried it last night along with a vitamin B-12 tablet and it was quite a cool experience (placebo or not) for a beginning dreamer. Now, background, I currently have mono so I am very tired all the time. So last night I remembered four dreams, which is a personal record for me! However, I remember thinking to myself, "I need to roll over and write this down in my journal", but was too exhausted to even do that. Three of the dreams I was not lucid whatsoever...which isn't a big deal considering I'm three days into the world of lucid dreaming. However, all of those dreams were quite vivid and I remembered the majority of the details. Also, I had a layer 2 minor lucid dream as well!
LOL Boo-Radley.... Epic name! Hahahaha. I did a study on that book at school this year.. xD
So happy i found this one! i had my first lucid dream from a wbtb and drinking a bunch of aj, simply cause its my favourite! cool to know it helped :)
woot!?!? Nobody never told me to drink apple juice for LD's :( this seems to be top-secret :lol:
I got my L-theanine pills today and trying them, but tomorrow I will buy apple juice!!
Wow , surprised about this apple juice thing, im gonna try it tonight, going to drink some before bed and some after 5-6 hours of sleep. Lets see how it goes :D
Well... after trying this my first time, is this MAGIC or what? i had 4 dreams, 3 vivid dreams with good recall, and also 1 LD and almost a second one. This thing works!!! Placebo? i really dont think so.
However, this is what i did. I had a glass and a half before bed, then after 4-5 hours had 2 full glasses, it took me a while to fall asleep, like hour and a half after i had the AJ, then i was dreaming and became lucid. :D
Everyone should try this. :D
If I eat an apple before I go to bed, will it have the same effect as an apple juice?
Tried 4 times and noticed no significant change. I'll continue.
Hahaha its probly just me :P but yeah good luck man!