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So, tell us again how peanut butter induced a lucid dream?

Originally Posted by Abra

So, tell us again how peanut butter induced a lucid dream?

This

Even if it is a lucid aid, there's no way it can assist lucidity in any way, other than boosting dream recall

By DV protocol, we're suppose to lock this thread, or move it to research.

Is there any reason this should work, at all?

ok cool then its just me fell free to take it down idc

Actually this does sound pretty plausable from a chemical point of view.
Peanuts and peanut butter are one of the food very high in Choline, which we all know is a very important chemical for helping induce lucid dreaming (as it is one of the chemicals required in making Acetyl chloline, the other being Acetyl (which is provided by foods high in B5).

2 Table spoons of Peanut Butter contain around 20mg of Choline, so eating a lot before bed would certainly give a higher than average boost of choline in the system whilst sleeping.

Other choline rich foods are as follows:



Food.................................................. .Serving.........................Total Choline (mg)


Beef liver, pan fried................................3 ounces............................355
Wheat germ, toasted.............................1 cup.................................172
Egg............................................... ......1 large...............................126
Atlantic cod, cooked..............................3 ounces..............................71
Beef, trim cut, cooked............................3 ounces..............................67
Brussel sprouts, cooked..........................1 cup...................................63
Broccoli, cooked....................................1 cup, chopped......................62
Shrimp, canned.....................................3 ounces...............................60
Salmon............................................ ....3 ounces...............................56
Milk, skim.............................................8 fl oz...................................38
Peanut butter, smooth...........................2 tablespoons.........................20
Milk chocolate......................................1.5-ounce bar.........................20



Interestingly, the other important chemical needed B5, is also high in peanuts, milk and eggs.


Increasing our Acetylchloline levels is a great way to improve lucidity chances, and there are plently of people doing this already using supplements of choline and other chemicals such as Galantamine (to stop the breakdown of Acetylchloline).

So i'd say this thread is valuable, if only for people to consider how their diet could inadvertantly improve or reduce our brain chemistry in regards to lucidity.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Actually this does sound pretty plausable from a chemical point of view.
Peanuts and peanut butter are one of the food very high in Choline, which we all know is a very important chemical for helping induce lucid dreaming (as it is one of the chemicals required in making Acetyl chloline, the other being Acetyl (which is provided by foods high in B5).

2 Table spoons of Peanut Butter contain around 20mg of Choline, so eating a lot before bed would certainly give a higher than average boost of choline in the system whilst sleeping.

Other choline rich foods are as follows:

Food Serving Total Choline (mg)


Beef liver, pan fried 3 ounces 355
Wheat germ, toasted 1 cup 172
Egg 1 large 126
Atlantic cod, cooked 3 ounces 71
Beef, trim cut, cooked 3 ounces 67
Brussel sprouts, cooked 1 cup 63
Broccoli, cooked 1 cup, chopped 62
Shrimp, canned 3 ounces 60
Salmon 3 ounces 56
Milk, skim 8 fl oz. 38
Peanut butter, smooth 2 tablespoons 20
Milk chocolate 1.5-ounce bar 20



Interestingly, the other important chemical needed B5, is also high in peanuts, milk and eggs.

This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. Thank you, Space.

Moved to lucid aids~

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Actually this does sound pretty plausable from a chemical point of view.
Peanuts and peanut butter are one of the food very high in Choline, which we all know is a very important chemical for helping induce lucid dreaming (as it is one of the chemicals required in making Acetyl chloline, the other being Acetyl (which is provided by foods high in B5).

2 Table spoons of Peanut Butter contain around 20mg of Choline, so eating a lot before bed would certainly give a higher than average boost of choline in the system whilst sleeping.

Other choline rich foods are as follows:



Food Serving Total Choline (mg)


Beef liver, pan fried 3 ounces 355
Wheat germ, toasted 1 cup 172
Egg 1 large 126
Atlantic cod, cooked 3 ounces 71
Beef, trim cut, cooked 3 ounces 67
Brussel sprouts, cooked 1 cup 63
Broccoli, cooked 1 cup, chopped 62
Shrimp, canned 3 ounces 60
Salmon 3 ounces 56
Milk, skim 8 fl oz. 38
Peanut butter, smooth 2 tablespoons 20
Milk chocolate 1.5-ounce bar 20



Interestingly, the other important chemical needed B5, is also high in peanuts, milk and eggs.


Increasing our Acetylchloline levels is a great way to improve lucidity chances, and there are plently of people doing this already using supplements of choline and other chemicals such as Galantamine (to stop the breakdown of Acetylchloline).

So i'd say this thread is valuable, if only for people to consider how their diet could inadvertantly improve or reduce our brain chemistry in regards to lucidity.

How much choline does one need to consume before it produces a scientifically significant boost in recall?

Originally Posted by Abra

How much choline does one need to consume before it produces a scientifically significant boost in recall?

That's a very hard thing to pinpoint.
As you have to take into account the persons diet in general first.
For someone with a very low amount of Choline in their diet, even a small boost may make a significant difference.
I'm no expert on these things, but I would imagine it varies a great deal from one person to the next and their personal biology and diet.
Much in the way that different people can handle and react differently to coffee for example. Some get jittery with one cup, some people drink huge amounts and can sleep like a baby afterwards.

When people take supplements of choline, 400-800mg is a suggested dose.
But then again, it all depends on how much is getting into your system via your diet in the first place.

2 Table spoons of Peanut Butter contain around 20mg of Choline

When people take supplements of choline, 400-800mg is a suggested dose.

That's a lot of peanut butter.

Yeah, I wouldn't say peanut butter is the Lucid food of the century, but more of a boost. Kinda like apple juice. I think I'll give that a try tonight, thanks for the idea

Originally Posted by Abra

That's a lot of peanut butter.

Well yes of course, I'd certinly not suggest eating that much peanut butter alone, because the calories and fat content alone would soon have you turning into a bit of a porker.

However, if your diet already contains other natural sources of choline (eggs, milk etc.) during your daily diet, increasing it with another choline rich food such as peanut butter near bedtime, may be enough to tip the chemical balance in your favour.

As with all things, a healthy balanced diet is always the best way forward, so over induldging in any one food is never a good thing.

What I do think is important, is that people become aware of the chemicals required to help lucid dreaming, and those that could hinder lucid dreaming attempts.

There are often threads started claiming one food or another is the new "lucid dream grail". My opinion on this is more likely than not, those who are finding it helpful, may have a lack of whatever this food contains in their diet in the first place, and the sudden influx of whatever chemicals are available in *insert miracle food here* is what helps them get lucid. So in many cases, the food may have little or no effect on those with a balanced healthy diet.

However that said, creating temporary dietary boosts in one or another pro-lucid-chemical rich foods, is probably a good way to increase ones chances of lucidity. The human body tends to try and fall into homeostasis, so fluctuation to the balance of nutritions in one way or another, could help people avoid falling into a "brain chemistry rut".

All just speculation of course, but I think that we need to focus as much on biological causes for lucidity as much as psychological.

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Thanks for the peanut butter idea. I will try it even though I don't like peanut butter. I don't think there's anything I wouldn't do to get lucid

I made an error the first time I did it. It should work now

it worked!! thankyou and good luck w/ the peanut butter, try it in a pb&j sandwich. or you could try this

Originally Posted by Phydeaux_3

Here's a GREAT way to get mass quantities of PB into yer belly:

• 1 cup sugar (you can cut this down to 3/4 cup, if you prefer)
• 1 large egg
• 1 cup peanut butter (crunchy or smooth)

1. Combine sugar and egg in mixing bowl, stirring till smooth. Add peanut butter and mix in thoroughly.
2. Roll into walnut-sized balls.
3. Place the balls on ungreased cookie sheets at least 2" apart.
4. Flatten with the tines of a fork.
5. Turn 90 degrees and use fork again to create cross hatches.
6. Bake 10 minutes at 375F (or till done). Let cool in pan for 1 minute before removing to cooling rack.

Easiest PB cookies ever. We make these quite often.



Enjoy!!!

there really good!

You're welcome

OMG I'm so gonna try this recipe! Will post pics of my cookies!