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      Dream Walkers

      I know this post is long, but please, read it if you've the time.

      I have had these dreams for a while now, where I am sure I'm meeting Dream Walkers. I've only just recently begun to acknowledge fully that they could in fact be Dream Walkers, but have wondered for a while now.

      There are three parts to this experience.

      First, I usually have these dreams after I wake up, and then immediately go to sleep. I also notice that they occur the most when I am laying on my back, or face down. I'm not sure what the reason for this is.

      Second, these dreams are accompanied by two unusual physical symptoms.
      Not only is it a lucid or semi-lucid dream, in which I am not simply conscious of my dream-state, but actually feel as if my consciousness as a whole is within the dream. I know that this seems like the same thing, but I'm trying to differentiate between mere consciousness, and the apparent insertion of my consciousness as a whole into this -Dream World-; it is as if I am no longer simply dreaming within my own head, but feel as if I am actually travelling in some undefined manner, like the world in which I find myself feels innately alien to myself; as if I subconsciously, intuitively know the difference between my own dream-world, produced by my own mind and consciousness, and that of this outer dream-world.
      I have noticed odd sensations at the top of my head, at the crown area, and/or at the whole of the back of my brain, as if it has a huge amount of activity, almost an electric 'tingle', when I am having a particular strong dream of this kind, like my presence of self is not wholly insubstantial, but rather substantial, present, immediate.

      Thirdly, The dream characters and my personal interaction with both them, and the environment in which I find myself.
      The dream characters are intelligent. Not hollow, not made-up, not insubstantial or 'misty', but self-controlled, independant and strongly present consciousnesses of their own. And they feel prying, almost as if they seek to know me and to interact, and in an alien way. By alien, I mean not of my own consciousness and mind. They have personalities so complex and interesting, compared to dream characters I intuitively realize to be self-made.
      Furthermore, these individuals tend to probe in their interactions, like they are trying to unobtrusively delve into my mind in some fashion, as a stranger would another stranger to better know him. And when these individuals find what they obviously seek, or when I begin to realize their true nature, I am removed from the dream environment. When I say that I am removed, I mean that I feel my dream-state flee and I am gently awoken, like my consciousness is 'let go of', released in some fashion, and no matter how I try, I find it impossible to keep hold and follow these individuals; as if I am subject to their will, and not my own (in regards to maintaining the dream-state). And this is all accompanied by an all too present feeling that I am in some other domain other than my own, like I am no longer within my element, so to speak.

      These dreams, when they are most strong, are often accompanied by one final trait.
      When I hear people speak, that are not obvious dream characters, the voices seem to manifest in strength, almost palpably, as if I am physically hearing their voices in my head, as if I was physically hearing them with my ears. And the voices of these individuals are independant of my own, internal dialogue, mind, or consciousness; as I mentioned before, they feel intuitively alien to me, like that feeling you get when you are in an unfamiliar place or situation, or that feeling you get when youknow something is out of place.

      There has been one circumstance that has prompted me to finally ask if anyone has any input on this matter. Two nights ago I was in one of these dreams, and I was being 'let go'; however, through force of will (and this was most difficult; it was as if grabbing at barely solid air, spider webs, or the breeze) I was able to maintain this link. I was transported in dream to another location, and the individual I spoke with was simply a voice which manifested over a phone (the voice, however, was just as present as if I was actually listening to someone over a real phone, and just as strong as if the individual was actually there in-person, in-dream).
      What prompted me to post this, was the discovery I made in doing this (the strength of will required to maintain this link to this 'alien world', so to speak, was tremendous, and subtle at the same time; I have tried to do this before but failed; grasp too hard and you break the web, but not hard enough and you risk letting it slip out of your fingers). It required a certain technique that in all of my lucid dreaming and Oneironautics I had never actually performed before; it was new to me, and manifested itself as an artform, a skill to be honed with practice.
      During this time I felt this connection to some other place, like I was literally a traveller and not at all at home within my own self.

      So while I find that I am learning how to maintain this 'link', or whatever it is, I have yet to actually, to my knowedge, initiated it in te first place of my own will.
      I want to know how to initiate Dream-Travel, not just maintain it.
      Last edited by RadiantZeal; 04-15-2011 at 12:36 AM.
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      That was a really nice and detailed post but dream walkers aren't real. Neither are night stalkers. They are just myths people have a desire to post.

      Maybe these dreams are weird but I don't think it has to do with an army of people who share dreams.

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      Zebrah,

      It's okay if you don't believe in a Collective Consciousness. But just because you say "It doesn't exist" doesn't make it so. It's not a far-fetched idea, really, but you can believe (or not believe) what you will; thats your perogative. There's actually some evidence that supports the idea of Collective Consciousness. So if you're going for a "that's just absurd" route, I'm afraid your'e a little too quick to make assumptions regarding the matter.

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      No I like to keep an open mind about thins. But dream walkers are a bit too far for me. The other concepts are possible.

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      Collective Consciousness is possible, but through collective consciousness, a collective dream-state seems too far-fetched for you? It's hardly a leap of logic from there, and barely even a small step beyond it, if any distance at all. If anything, collective consciousness and collective dream-state are essentially one in the same, and it becomes a matter of perception where distinction occurs.
      However, if you have some reason why the former is more believable than the latter, then I would be more than interested in hearing of it.
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      Im not sure i believe in being able to enter another persons dreams, primarily because i just havent seen anything that suggests its possible though, but i do know what you mean about encountering people in dreams, but i think the brain is more then capable of generating full functional personalitys for people in your dreams and making them extremely realistic (i've encountered hundreds of seperate fully rational and thought out and detailed people), and i think if you willed it enough, you could give yourself what appears to be entering another persons dreams, but obviously your going to doubt it and control might fade, so my suggestion would be if you could actually manage to redo what you did, if you could get a name and try and verify, multiple times the possiblity there might be something there.
      Still a really interesting read, and im nowhere near qualified to say if its possible or not but, i would lean to the thought its just controlling your brain to provide something more unusual in a dream state, but same time i think it'd be neat lol.

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