Thread: yes, another LD

Link doesn't work, it seems to take us to someone else's dream journal or something, but it doesn't matter, well done on the lucid.

A DEILD can end by moving or by just not doing it at the right time. You should be able to figure out when your REM cycles are by judging when you fall asleep and when you wake up. Ask around for better details on REM cycles.

Originally Posted by Avalanche

Link doesn't work, it seems to take us to someone else's dream journal or something, but it doesn't matter, well done on the lucid.

A DEILD can end by moving or by just not doing it at the right time. You should be able to figure out when your REM cycles are by judging when you fall asleep and when you wake up. Ask around for better details on REM cycles.

you wouldnt happen to know anything about how to find your rem cycle, would you?

Well, there are some charts and graphs people have drawn up on what REM cycles are like on average. I quick google images of REM Cycles will show you that.
But to find out your own personal one, you need to take the basic info about REM cycles and apply it to what you know you do. Like for instance, what time do you go to bed? If it varies, then make a point of going to bed and sleep at around the same time each night- this is massively helpful to lucid dreaming as a whole. After you do that, see if you wake up naturally during the night. If you do, note down what times they are.

For example, I go to bed at around 11. I tend to wake up naturally at about 2-2:30am, then again later at 4:30-5. I then sleep up until 8 on weekdays or through to 9 on weekends. Your's will be slightly different, but if you manage to wake up naturally, then thats when a REM cycle just ended. That's at least an hour of sleep and some time of dreaming. After you fall asleep again, you sleep for an hour then dream for slightly longer. Same thing after that cycle, until you sleep and dream for almost the same amount of time.

It's up to you to work it out for yourself, but the main thing you want to be able to do is just wake up after every REM cycle. Set the intention to wake up, and you should. Then once you stay up and do a WBTB, odds are you will wake up again the following night. Boom, you have a WBTB cycle going.

Originally Posted by Avalanche

Well, there are some charts and graphs people have drawn up on what REM cycles are like on average. I quick google images of REM Cycles will show you that.
But to find out your own personal one, you need to take the basic info about REM cycles and apply it to what you know you do. Like for instance, what time do you go to bed? If it varies, then make a point of going to bed and sleep at around the same time each night- this is massively helpful to lucid dreaming as a whole. After you do that, see if you wake up naturally during the night. If you do, note down what times they are.

For example, I go to bed at around 11. I tend to wake up naturally at about 2-2:30am, then again later at 4:30-5. I then sleep up until 8 on weekdays or through to 9 on weekends. Your's will be slightly different, but if you manage to wake up naturally, then thats when a REM cycle just ended. That's at least an hour of sleep and some time of dreaming. After you fall asleep again, you sleep for an hour then dream for slightly longer. Same thing after that cycle, until you sleep and dream for almost the same amount of time.

It's up to you to work it out for yourself, but the main thing you want to be able to do is just wake up after every REM cycle. Set the intention to wake up, and you should. Then once you stay up and do a WBTB, odds are you will wake up again the following night. Boom, you have a WBTB cycle going.

ok, i wake up in the middle of the night naturally. its usually around 2:00. would that be during my rem cycle, when it ended or before. like lets say its before. would i have to wake up like and hour earlier to try to DEILD or WILd?

You always wake up naturally after a REM cycle. If you woke up at around 2 then that's pretty much the same as me. So now you know that your next REM (when you dream) is at least 1 hour away. So doing a WBTB for at least an hour is surefire to make you skip the sleeping bit (where most people lose awareness and just slip into dreams) so you can go straight into your dreaming phase with awareness of being awake for an hour.

Best ways to get the most out of your WBTB's are actually getting up out of bed, or at least sitting on your bed. Keep your mind occupied. Daydreaming isn't aware or awake, so try to avoid that by keeping your mind focused on something. What I do is leave a little bit of homework to do and do it then on my bed. I did this two nights ago and I did actually feel more awake than when I get meditated or walked around a bit. When I went back to bed to sleep, I pretty much saw a dream form in front of my closed eyes and I managed to grab it, and feel a pen I was seeing. I lost it after 20 seconds, but it was a dream, it was lucid, and it was very vivid. If I had not done a WBTB, I would have just slipping into the dream as soon as it formed.