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    Thread: Really scary false awakening. Girl from the ring.

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      Really scary false awakening. Girl from the ring.

      I woke up about 4am and thought this is good time to wild. I tried to fall asleep while keeping my awareness but i always had some annoying urge to change position. Well after awhile i though i am just going to fall asleep i have tried long enough to fall asleep. For some reason i opened my eyes and the room was really dark. I looked around and noticed something at the end of my bed near the cabinet. I tried to focus my eyes because it was dark and......WTF!! What the hell is that i thought. Shadowy form took shape and i could now see clearly girl from the ring. I started to panic and the girl slowly turned her head towards me and twiched and move closer really fast... Then i woke up. Why this was so scary because the room looked excatly i mean excatly like in reality and the lighting was the same a very dark. It didnt even feel dreamy. I have had these kind of experiences a lot while trying to wild. One time something threw my bed to the other side of room and me to wall and the i woke up out of shock. This also was very realistic experience.

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      I had a very similar experience just a couple nights ago.

      Woke up in my room, everything was dark, and it looked like it had when I'd gotten up (Was doing an SSILD). Luckily, I realized I was dreaming, and told myself there was nothing to be afraid of (Normally, my nightmares happen in my house, when it's really dark). Dream preceeded on.

      I would recommend you to do RCs after getting out of bed. It'll help you realize when it's a dream, and then you can explore the dream, reassured that you have nothing to fear.
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      Sounds more like sleep paralysis (to be specific, hypnagogic hallucinations) than a dream, really, which happens as you're falling asleep/entering REM. This doesn't happen to everybody but it's one of those possible side-effects of WILDing. I've had both hypnagogic and hypnapompic hallucinations before (during WILD/DEILD attempts and in some spontaneous cases when just waking up) and I remember my very first one I thought was just a very scary dream/false awakening, but it never had that dreamy feel to it, it seemed very real. My friend eventually pointed out to me it sounded more like sleep paralysis, which I realized later on she was right.
      Usually when you hit that stage (although like I said, doesn't happen to everybody, this only applies to people who experience SP) it means you're ready to begin creating the dream scenario and enter the dream as you're now in REM sleep, just still conscious and aware.

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      There is a difference between sleep paralysis and HH. What OP is describing doesn't sound like SP. It's a normal HH, or even a LD.

      False awakening is a normal, non-lucid dream, in which we dream of waking up and going about our normal day. Based on desription, it was not FA, but as mentioned, either you were already in a LD, or you had HH.

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      I dont know. I now think it was lucid dream where i didnt notice the transision from reality to dream.
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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      There is a difference between sleep paralysis and HH. What OP is describing doesn't sound like SP. It's a normal HH, or even a LD.

      False awakening is a normal, non-lucid dream, in which we dream of waking up and going about our normal day. Based on desription, it was not FA, but as mentioned, either you were already in a LD, or you had HH.

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      Thanks for clarifying. I get the two mixed up a lot, but I hope I helped nonetheless.

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      I dont know. I now think it was lucid dream where i didnt notice the transision from reality to dream.
      I'm still voting on HH, although sometimes it's hard to say for sure. Usually if you were in your room and it lacks that 'dreamy' feeling, it sounds more like HH, but of course you're the only one who can say for sure.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Seltiez View Post
      I dont know. I now think it was lucid dream where i didnt notice the transision from reality to dream.
      This happens to me a lot. Especially when my WILD starts in my room, or just with me laying down.

      Often I'm still thinking about my day, once I was even still thinking about what to make for dinner, when I realized I can suddenly see my room. I was 100% sure, I'm still awake. But I said to myself "well, I have read that I could already be in a dream at this time, all I have to do is get up/roll out from sofa/body". So I did and to my huge surprise, the moment I got up my environment changed into 3D and I was standing inside of a LD.

      It's very easy to miss the transition sometimes. It may be, that it's so gentle, we don't even notice. Or we black out for a second or to and come back to after it's over. Or your only transition is seeing your room with closed eyelids. Some people are very good at opening their dream eyes, like you did.

      Remember to RC often when you are WILDing. Best RCs are of course those, that don't interrupt your WILDing, in case you are not in a dream yet. The motionless RCs. Like think to yourself "if this was a dream, I could bring my hands infront of my face". And then "want" to see them there. If they move and you see them, you know you are dreaming. Because those will be your "dream arms".

      You can practice this during day. Lay down, arms by your side, and pretend, you can suddenly move your dream (astral) arms into your field of view. Don't move the muscles, just will them mentally. Happy dreams

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      This happens to me a lot. Especially when my WILD starts in my room, or just with me laying down.

      Often I'm still thinking about my day, once I was even still thinking about what to make for dinner, when I realized I can suddenly see my room. I was 100% sure, I'm still awake. But I said to myself "well, I have read that I could already be in a dream at this time, all I have to do is get up/roll out from sofa/body". So I did and to my huge surprise, the moment I got up my environment changed into 3D and I was standing inside of a LD.

      It's very easy to miss the transition sometimes. It may be, that it's so gentle, we don't even notice. Or we black out for a second or to and come back to after it's over. Or your only transition is seeing your room with closed eyelids. Some people are very good at opening their dream eyes, like you did.

      Remember to RC often when you are WILDing. Best RCs are of course those, that don't interrupt your WILDing, in case you are not in a dream yet. The motionless RCs. Like think to yourself "if this was a dream, I could bring my hands infront of my face". And then "want" to see them there. If they move and you see them, you know you are dreaming. Because those will be your "dream arms".

      You can practice this during day. Lay down, arms by your side, and pretend, you can suddenly move your dream (astral) arms into your field of view. Don't move the muscles, just will them mentally. Happy dreams

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      This sounds exactly what i have been experiencing. Like you said they are very common when attempting wild. I learned how to get this stage where i can see trough my eyelids but i never realized it was a dream. I just thought HH. I usually open my eyes when this happens but im wide awake thats why it was so weird. I am able to open my physical eyes from lucid dream without being in false awakening so i might have missed many chances to have lucid dream.
      Thanks for tips. I will deffinetly start doing those reality checks you mentioned. It is so annoying when you realize you have been dreaming about trying to wild even though you were already in dream.
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      Hey I know I'm a little new, I agree with maxis it sounds like hypnagogia. I have this to and been having episodes most of my life earliest I can recall was 6 years old. It start's of like a black mass and mine forms into spider's that are coming down from the ceiling. I eventually did research about it and learn to take control when it was happening. I eventually learned that most of my episodes were triggered by stress, I took some time to wind down and do things differently than I would. It takes time to figure out and learn, but doing the research and learning how to recognize and take control has helped me become free of hypnagogia it's been a long time since my last one, almost a year. Everyone's episodes are different but always a form of shadow or black mass, sometimes auditory and tastes people experience also falling feeling or fast movements, sleep paralysis, and lucid dreaming. A lot of people have this, and some that I've read about are pretty bad they accidentally injure themselves from the event. Sounds like yours are pretty strong, maybe do some of your own research so you to can take control when it's happening.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Seltiez View Post
      ...they are very common when attempting wild. I learned how to get this stage where i can see trough my eyelids but i never realized it was a dream. ...
      For this, you can use mantra. I use this one "when I see my room, I get up". It helps me to remember, that seeing my room when my eyes are closed means I'm already dreaming, and all I need to do is to get up. Since when in this state, you memory already may not work great, and you take what you see as "normal".

      It also takes leap of faith. To believe that you could be dreaming, even if you 100% sure that you are not.

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      ... It takes time to figure out and learn, but doing the research and learning how to recognize and take control has helped me become free of hypnagogia it's been a long time since my last one, almost a year.
      I'm not sure I understand.

      Hypnagogia is something that we encounter frequently when we WILD. It's not something that we are trying to get rid of. To us, HH means that lucid dream is very near, since HH are baby dreams. They may start as swirls of colors, and develop into complex images or pictures. When they turn into videos, or they fill up your field of view - that is a dream already fully formed and you can enter it.

      To be honest, I love my HH. They are so cool and they surprise me all the time. IMHO, WILDing is so cool, because of the cool HH you can get.

      Best person really, to decide if what it was, HH or a LD, is the person experiencing it. Even for those is sometimes hard to tell, since the transition can be so smooth, you don't even realize when you crossed into a dream.

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      This experience was as real as they come thats why i felt fear. These experiences arent problem for me because im fearless person in reality so i find nightmares and these kind of experiences fun and interesting after realizing they were a dream/hh. These happening just have become so annoying because they disturb my wild attempts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post

      To be honest, I love my HH. They are so cool and they surprise me all the time. IMHO, WILDing is so cool, because of the cool HH you can get.
      Thats what i thought. I find them also really cool because they feel so real. No matter how scary they are they still are fun at the same time. Never know what to except.
      They just annoyed me a little because i never knew how to proceed foward after having HH. I always woke up.
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      LOL ya'll are funny. If you like them then go ahead keep using it. Mine never got to that point, and was more night terror than helpful to Lucid dream. It was getting to an unhealthy point for me to be woken up several times threw out the night seeing black mass forming into spiders coming at me. I didn't know about the lucid dream part, information back then wasn't as good. I still think when it happens I won't be able to lucid from it.
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