Let's get this right.

here's my confusion.

i think many people think they've had a successful LD but really it is merely a semi-LD.

someone feel free to correct me if im wrong:

Scenario 1
i had a dream where i was in a competition on stage in front of hundreds of people. and it was a dance competition. in the dream i knew i had to win and so i danced my best (i was somewhat concious about it). when i woke up i realised ya that was a dream, and recalling the dream i realised that i did think of what i was doing when i was doing it and that it wasnt a normal dream because i had some influence in it.

My problem with this (if someone can give me input) is many people will call this a lucid dream... however i dont think it should be called a successful one because even though it did feel like a dream where i was kinda aware of it i don't feel that i was 100% in it. Main reason i belive this is because i could see myself dancing for example. i believe in a successful lucid dream u are in the dream 1st person and not 3rd person and that u feel like u can play god and have no threats like losing a competition for example (bad example but bare with me)

Scenario 2
i've only had one 'successful' lucid dream.
I was afraid of getting shot (why is it always violence, media) emotions ran, i was in my old elemntary school, i did no RCs but somehow i realised i was dreaming unlike in scenario 1 where i just felt like i was there doing what i had to do. usually when i know im dreaming i respond by 'tearing' the dream (focussing on a loud noise in my senses that causes my body to shake like an extended shock from a nightmare). however this time the person with the gun shook his head laughing and at that point i couldnt tear the dream (body wasnt shaking to the point where id wake up). so the result was me fully aware i was in the dream and looking in 1st person staring at him. it was surreal. it felt like i was really awake and i floated foreward, through the guy for 5 seconds slowly higher off the ground through a door and reaching the cieling where the dream got too bright, and i woke up to the sun in my face.

In this scenario, i hardly had to dream recal because it felt so real. i did not have to pull a gun on the person or defend myself (or in scenario one where i HAD to dance) instead i just floated foreward looking around not afraid of anything.

If this was a lucid dream then i would call this one the successful LD and the first scenario merely a semi-lucid dream where i could not do anything supernatural.

please share your thoughts on this so we can help people as well as me decipher between the 2. :D

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Originally posted by LivingLucid
i believe in a successful lucid dream u are in the dream 1st person and not 3rd person and that u feel like u can play god and have no threats like losing a competition for example (bad example but bare with me) *

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Yes, about the 1st Person experience.

NO, about being God and having absolute control. Who told you this? It is some Urban Myth perpetuated by silly New Age Seminar Promotors that anybody can have absolute control over all Dream Content. The Subconscious Mind, the Superconscious Mind, the Collective Concsiousness ALL would become Resistence Points to any absolute Control.

You need to learn about Lucid Dreaming... more than what the silly gooses are spreading around. Go to this sight of scholarly essays by the experts: http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/tableof.htm

You will find a great good many of them quite willing and able to debunk the popular notion that Lucid Dreaming is synonomous with Dream Control. Lucid Dreaming is simply the awareness while dreaming that one is in a dream. That's all. Some manipulation of Dream Content is possible, and it is nearly always eventually opposed by the subconscious mind, with false awakenings and other defensive mechanisms. And yes, one can know one is dreaming and still be challenged within the content of the Dreams. For instance, being able to dance. Now, how can it being a Lucid Dream simply and suddenly give you the ability to dance like an award winning expert? That would have to come from your own resources. I can suppose that your Higher Mind gave you such a Dream because it suspected that you were ready to Pass such a Test, but it was still within your power to fail, .... even in a Lucid Dream.

A young man had recently had his first Lucid Dream. He rejected his own desire to Fly, and instead agreed to go along with a Dream Character Friend who did not want to fly but instead wanted to drive around in a car called a "Diablo" ( a devil car) which got into any number of silly accidents. See!? This young man was given a test and FAILED. One can still FAIL even in Lucidity.

neither of those are LDs. if you are lucid, you will not be able to contain your excitement, and will most likely wake up instantly.

just being in full control of your actions is not a lucid dream. i do this every dream. even thinking you are in a dream is not a true lucid dream. that is called dreaming about being lucid, which is much different than having your analytical sense of mind in full swing GETTING you lucid. that is the hard part.

a true lucid dream will store its memory in your active waking memory banks, not in your quickly erasing dream banks.

jay dawg, I have to respectfully disagree with you on these points.

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neither of those are LDs. if you are lucid, you will not be able to contain your excitement, and will most likely wake up instantly.[/b]

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I've had many lucid dreams where I was able to contain my excitement and didn't wake up instantly (my longest lucid dream to date was about 40 minutes).

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Originally posted by jay dawg@
just being in full control of your actions is not a lucid dream. i do this every dream. even thinking you are in a dream is not a true lucid dream. that is called dreaming about being lucid, which is much different than having your analytical sense of mind in full swing GETTING you lucid. that is the hard part.

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Lucid dreaming is simply being consciously AWARE that you are dreaming while in a dream (whether you have full control or not).

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a true lucid dream will store its memory in your active waking memory banks, not in your quickly erasing dream banks.

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I've had lucid dreams that evaporated on me if I didn't write them down immediately upon waking or if I slid from a lucid dream directly into a non-lucid dream. I've had lucid dreams where I could only recall snippets or the last activitiy that took place before I woke up. I believe your LD recall will depend on how strong your lucidity was and how developed your dream recall is.

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jay dawg wrote:
just being in full control of your actions is not a lucid dream. i do this every dream. even thinking you are in a dream is not a true lucid dream. that is called dreaming about being lucid, which is much different than having your analytical sense of mind in full swing GETTING you lucid. that is the hard part.

Clairity wrote:
Lucid dreaming is simply being consciously AWARE that you are dreaming while in a dream (whether you have full control or not). [/b]

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...I tried to tell you. :-P

clarity, i dont see how we disagree on anything. but ok.

anyway i didnt say it was impossible to stay in a true LD, just that if u are truly lucid, you WILL know that you are lucid, no question about it. if u are not sure, then u were not lucid. period.

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Originally posted by jay dawg
clarity, i dont see how we disagree on anything. but ok.

anyway i didnt say it was impossible to stay in a true LD, just that if u are truly lucid, you WILL know that you are lucid, no question about it. if u are not sure, then u were not lucid. period.

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well i just explained i fealt fully awake in the dream, i knew i was dreaming and i did not wake up until 5 - 8 seconds later when i did get too excited because i knew what i was doing... the main reason i think i woke up was because i didnt know what to expect when i float into the cieling ie. pipes, wood, metal, i might have gotten stuck... in any case i mentioned fealing like god, and complete control because nothing did hurt me. it just felt like i was a goast moving through things and doing whatever i wanted. i disagree about feeling challenged in a dream or perhaps i just haven't had enough experience. and jay dawg lol i have completely no idea what you're talking about. :thumbdown2: i dunno if ur objecting to me or just explaining something. but i was aware i was lucid in any case. :thumbup:

Anyways, if being fully aware ur dreaming is called a Lucid dream as many of you guys identify it (scenario 1), then what would u call a dream (scenario 2) where u are not only fully aware that u are dreaming but fully capable of moving and LIVING in the dream like im trying to explain. Surely there is a distinction between the 2.

:bump: share ur views! :happyme: