Thread: The only method that works for me to have LDs EVERYNIGHT (after 10 years of trying EVERYTHING)

Originally Posted by Bolo

Great point. Can you share a link to this pen you use? Sounds cool.

I just put in amazon "red lighted pen" and options pop up. I get the 4 pack.

Originally Posted by Bolo

The reason I prefer time vs dreams recalled is that I found that all dream-recall-details are equal for this purpose. 3 dreams recalled with x detail is not as good as one with x+ detail. In fact, one of my advices for building dream recall ability is going for sheer amount of detail. Sometimes upon waking up I remember very little. Then, when I write down the little I do remember ,even if it feels insignificant (for example: "the atmosphere was gloomy"), it spurs more recall to occur.

So I think of it like this - it can take me 5 minutes to write up a really long, vivid dream. Some people are faster writers or typers than others - and some people use voice recording. That's why I think time is not as effective of a measure. A vivid and detailed dream is a vivid and detailed dream, regardless of the length of time it takes to write it down. You want to aim for as much recall as possible for your brain. That's not going to be 45 minutes for everyone. Still, the goal is always our maximum. That's why I aim for 3 vivid dreams a night, or more.

The biggest thing of importance that I am seeing here is the focus on details. Basically, never get lazy when dream journaling. Always write out those little details, even if they seem unimportant. The act of journaling the little details promotes recall growth.

Originally Posted by Bolo

If I may propose a thought experiment that might help:
Imagine that it's a fact that the 30 minutes of this meditation is will reflect itself somewhere in your dreams. And imagine that each second during the meditation that you were present, and not engaged in thought, will turn into a second of lucidity. And each second being unaware inside a thought will turn into non-lucidity. And imagine that for this reflection to occur at all, you must have at least 25 minutes of presence/non-thinking. If we imagine all this is true, how would it effect how you perform the mediation?
This thought experiment made a difference for me, I hope you'll like it. BTW for me this meditation does include critical reflective attitude for sure.

I like your idea, it totally uses law of attraction and placebo effect to advantage, and I'm all for that.

I'm not sure about CRA in thought-suppression meditation. It doesn't make one distinguish between waking and dreaming states enough to build CRA imho. Others may disagree, but that is my opinion.

Originally Posted by Bolo

Facts xD I could use some motivation myself

I hear you.

Originally Posted by Hilary

I just put in amazon "red lighted pen" and options pop up. I get the 4 pack.

Thanks

So I think of it like this - it can take me 5 minutes to write up a really long, vivid dream. Some people are faster writers or typers than others - and some people use voice recording. That's why I think time is not as effective of a measure. A vivid and detailed dream is a vivid and detailed dream, regardless of the length of time it takes to write it down. You want to aim for as much recall as possible for your brain. That's not going to be 45 minutes for everyone. Still, the goal is always our maximum. That's why I aim for 3 vivid dreams a night, or more.

What you say makes sense. I didn't take into account the speed of writing. But maybe time does mean something regardless. For me recording my dreams didn't work as well and I think that partly it's because it's too fast. But what you say makes sense. You may need less than 45 minutes. If I was as fast as you I'd still try spend extra time re-reading and milking for more detail. Just to have the brain do this for a good period of time (sort of like a "dream recall stamina" thing). I also believe that the fact that a long dream can easily take 45 minutes, may have something to do with the reason 45 minutes produces such results for me. I know I said it's about sheer detail but you made me understand I also believe it's about time.

The biggest thing of importance that I am seeing here is the focus on details. Basically, never get lazy when dream journaling. Always write out those little details, even if they seem unimportant. The act of journaling the little details promotes recall growth.

You said it beautifully.

I like your idea, it totally uses law of attraction and placebo effect to advantage, and I'm all for that.

Yes. And also a frame of mind for executing this meticulously.

I'm not sure about CRA in thought-suppression meditation. It doesn't make one distinguish between waking and dreaming states enough to build CRA imho. Others may disagree, but that is my opinion.

Maybe the name "thought suppression" is not good for you. It's about being aware of your own state of mind. Whenever we drift into a thinking process we lose awareness. For me it feels very similar to falling asleep. In order to execute this meditation, you must be critically aware whether you're in a state of presence or thinking. Dreams and thoughts have a lot in common. When I do this meditation walk, I often feel like I'm walking in a lucid dream. When I fall into thinking it feels like losing lucidity. I can't count the times I was in a lucid dream and lost lucidity. The two are very similar in nature. Being able to remain stable in the "dream" of walking and not drift into those little "dreams" called thoughts is also being able to remain stable in a lucid dream.

I mean this may help/ or even help the newbies out there: https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-sig...ompendium.html

Originally Posted by Lang

I mean this may help/ or even help the newbies out there: https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-sig...ompendium.html

Thanks for uploading that link Lang. I found the thread very useful.

Very good post. Agree 100%

Hi Bolo, I can see each of the outlined steps has merit but I’ve tried a combination of these methods over the years and not reached a level of consistent nightly lucidity. So I’m curious, what was it that made it all click for you? Were you doing steps 1 & 2 for example and then step 3 came along and you started seeing greater success? How often were you getting lucid before you reached nightly lucidity and how quickly did these 3 steps allow you to reach it. Thanks

The key thing, I think, to take from this is that LD practice is all about finding how to frame the fundamentals (self-awareness/lucidity, memory, intent) in your practice in such a way that works *for you*. All LD teachers/mentors can do is point to the spectrum of methods and resources available. Reading the experience of other practitioners can be illuminating, but ultimately each one of us needs to find our own way.

Originally Posted by allismind

Very good post. Agree 100%

Have it worked for you??

Can you elaborate on that?

Yes of course. It is basically lucid living or simply "dream yoga".

The step 1 of writing dreams helps you to rememorate which is training memory and recall. (You dont have to write dreams if you dont want, the simply fact of thinking of them and focusing on them for few minutes in the morning is doing the work. You can write those you feel are important). Ps: when I say "you" I mean in general.

The step 2 is working lucidity and self awareness which are like the OP said the main ingredient for long and stable lucid dreams.

The step 3 is training your sense of direction and "purpose" which is intent. It gives you a great power over dream control and its formation.

So yeah all those are dream yoga based and they work very well for those who devote their life to the practice. At least few weeks/months. Because its no an instant solution, its not magic. It is a training of the mind and the brain. In my opinion it cannot fail.

In a way this kind of approaches was always my favorite because it has it all. While "superficial" methods may work fast but never give you full stability or control.

Originally Posted by allismind

Because its no an instant solution, its not magic. It is a training of the mind and the brain.

I agree with that... Sometimes it may take years to fully become lucid with the right training. Regain your awareness that you are dreaming. I have seen people make this mistake on Youtube, Reddit, and TikTok.

One common misunderstanding is that lucid dreaming is the same as controlling your dreams. However, lucid dreaming and dream control are two separate skills.
Generally, dream control is a skill that you learn after you have developed the ability to become lucid in your dreams.

This may give you lucidity but, it may NOT give much control.

We can probably use both Castaneda and LaBerge's stuff too.

Originally Posted by Lang

I agree with that... Sometimes it may take years to fully become lucid with the right training. Regain your awareness that you are dreaming. I have seen people make this mistake on Youtube, Reddit, and TikTok.

One common misunderstanding is that lucid dreaming is the same as controlling your dreams. However, lucid dreaming and dream control are two separate skills.
Generally, dream control is a skill that you learn after you have developed the ability to become lucid in your dreams.

This may give you lucidity but, it may NOT give much control.

We can probably use both Castaneda and LaBerge's stuff too.

My first ever lucid dream was when I was around 15. In fact it was a chain of dreams because I read a lot about the topic and I knew I had to stay calm and not move. The dream(s) was extremely vivid and I had a very good control. But that is probably because I read a lot of books about manifesting and stuff so it was second nature to me. I just knew what to do... which is to direct my mind and act with intention and expectation. This is a bit out of topic but those are the same factors that direct our waking life.

So yeah for me control always came with awareness. Because to be aware of something is to have power over it. At least for me hehe
But I do agree that to control you reality require the understanding of the factors of causation (power of expectation, emotion and intent... and of course self confidence)

I meant "you" in general. Are we dreaming now?
Hey, I'm would looking forward to reading some of your non-lucid and lucid dreams.

Hi BOLO

An update:
I've worked up to 1 hour a day of meditation and I record my dreams by voice during the night into a phone app.
I was writing them down but even when I would print them I still couldn't read my writing in the morning.

Interesting things seem to be happening. I've had 1 dream where I became lucid mid dream, but I've had 5 scenarios where I am not awake but suddenly a full 3d scene with people and places all in motion appears before me. Some last longer than others. I know I'm dreaming in fact I say "I'm dreaming" but then I'm not able to enter the dream. It's at the very beginning of a newly formed dream so it seems to be a WILD or right thereafter. It seems that if I attempt to enter the dream or not either way the dream collapses.
The coolest one was where I was floating mid air inside an old castle filled with people in period clothing and I was flying around above these people down the hallways watching them. I wasn't controlling anything just being pulled along.

What do you think? Any suggestions?
Thanks
Wakeup

Did some cleaning up.

Originally Posted by Wakeup

Hi BOLO

An update:
I've worked up to 1 hour a day of meditation and I record my dreams by voice during the night into a phone app.
I was writing them down but even when I would print them I still couldn't read my writing in the morning.

Interesting things seem to be happening. I've had 1 dream where I became lucid mid dream, but I've had 5 scenarios where I am not awake but suddenly a full 3d scene with people and places all in motion appears before me. Some last longer than others. I know I'm dreaming in fact I say "I'm dreaming" but then I'm not able to enter the dream. It's at the very beginning of a newly formed dream so it seems to be a WILD or right thereafter. It seems that if I attempt to enter the dream or not either way the dream collapses.
The coolest one was where I was floating mid air inside an old castle filled with people in period clothing and I was flying around above these people down the hallways watching them. I wasn't controlling anything just being pulled along.

What do you think? Any suggestions?
Thanks
Wakeup

Some Links that may help you guys:
Here: https://www.dreamviews.com/wild/1255...mentals-q.html

here: https://www.dreamviews.com/wild/1330...-bad-here.html

Congrats on your Lucidity.

You got this Wakeup.

Thank LANG
I'll check them out