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03-02-2006, 11:41 PM
ShYne123

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Hi, i just want people to know before i ask this question that i am not a psychopathic weirdo. I want to know to the extent of things that you can do? First off all...would it be possible to make a gun appear and kill somone (i have a Very vivid imagineation and have seen many violent movies) I am not nessesarily saying i will do this but i am wondering...Also can you feel things? some people say they Get numb but if you like touch urself anywere can you feel it? Is it possible to like walk into things if u want to or is EVERYTHING like walkable through. Also, like can you climb buildings and jump off and stuff? Do you ever Feel pain? (Please tell truth becuase if there was some reality to it i think i might be even cool-ER) Also i have one last question and if u have read all this and intend on answering or saying hi in a reply i thank you deeply. Like...people say they can like "climb mt everest".but can somone explain how you could do that if you have no idea what it is like? i mean your not really there its in your head..you know what i mean? I am going to Try alot of techniques tonight, and a WILD in the morning , Wish me luck!!
Thansk so much for reading Peace.
03-02-2006, 11:48 PM
Tattoo

heh your no freak- a lot of people mess around with sex and violence in their dreams. Some people claim they can have 100% clarity, and I believe it is possible, I've had 100% visual clarity (as in its just as it is in waking life) and varient physical clarity which I would put at 80%. Theres lots of factors in a good lucid dream.

Just keep a dream journal and be persistant, the more you want it while your awake the more that it'll be apart of your subconcious and dreams. A good way to accomplish this is by posting here every day, its on my top three forums I visit regurally as I pop in and out of my home :). Welcome to the board, and goodluck
03-02-2006, 11:55 PM
Dust Mote

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In a Lucid Dream you can do ANYTHING you want: kill people, jump off buildings, feel things, etc. But what you can do is not the same for everyone. Some people can’t fly, some don’t feel pain. You may not be able to make a gun appear. It really depends on the individual what you can and can’t do.

As for doing things you have never done before, like climbing Mt. Everest: this is all happening in your mind, so you will experience what you imagine it is like to climb Mt. Everest.

Good Luck.
03-03-2006, 12:12 AM
BillyBob

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Originally posted by Dust Mote
what you can do is not the same for everyone. Some people can’t fly, some don’t feel pain. You may not be able to make a gun appear. It really depends on the individual what you can and can’t do.

not true, with practice everyone can obtain dream control and realism on a massive scale (although it takes more practice for some)
thus if you keep at it your dreams can be 100% as real as life and you can control everything
03-03-2006, 12:29 AM
Dust Mote

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Originally posted by BillyBob_001

...with practice everyone can obtain dream control and realism on a massive scale (although it takes more practice for some)
thus if you keep at it your dreams can be 100% as real as life and you can control everything

That's like saying that with practice anyone can become a world figure skating champion, or an astronaut. It looks good in theory, but reality is very different. We all have limitations in one area or another.
03-03-2006, 12:39 AM
BillyBob

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Originally posted by Dust Mote

That's like saying that with practice anyone can become a world figure skating champion, or an astronaut. It looks good in theory, but reality is very different. We all have limitations in one area or another.

not trying to start a blind internet flame battle so dont get offended by this....

but if your in your teens and you start working night and day to be the best figure skater in the world its very possible that you may succeed, same as being an astronaut

but lucidity doesnt have age limits (not control and vividness) thus you can start at any time and as long as you try to better yourself you wil get much better it just takes more time for different people

like i said dont start flaming me, expectations effect the dream world more than everything else so if you go around telling noobs that they might not be able to obtain high level lucidity or vividness then they most likely wont
03-03-2006, 01:36 AM
ShYne123

Thank you guys for the replys, I am 15 years old right now and im lookin to master this...im not sure how old everyone else is but please no one be worried because i am younger...i have a very good social life and im not going to start taking shrooms 2 encance dreams or anything lol. This is so cool...i read this guys post saying to wake up in middle of night when you are vert tired, then to close eyes and just lightly tap on ur pillow for about 30sconds then try a reality test, he says it puts him right into lucidy, and if ur still there just go back to sleep and try 10minutes later. This techquie Seems really Good, Also I am going to get up a few hours eirly stay up for about a hour and try WILD. I started for the first night lastnight (even hearing about Lucid DreamS) I wrote down my dream that i had last night. ---- tonight (after i day of also repeatedly RC -reality checking)
I am prepaired to become lucid i am going to try the tapping methood and if i dosnt work keep sleeping in 20minute intervals. (i think the tapping one is cool because i am new at it and i will be in my home during the dream so i wont like freak out or anything) The
WILD seems a little Crazy but im going for it. Wish me luck!!
03-03-2006, 03:35 AM
Alric

Anything is possible in a dream. You might not always have control, and some times dreams can just be totally random, but still it is possible to do anything. Even if something is really hard for you, and you just can't seem to ever do it, chances are you will.
03-03-2006, 07:07 AM
wombing

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but if your in your teens and you start working night and day to be the best figure skater in the world its very possible that you may succeed, same as being an astronaut

but lucidity doesnt have age limits (not control and vividness) thus you can start at any time and as long as you try to better yourself you wil get much better it just takes more time for different people [/b]

i agree with you billybob. but i think dustmote also has a point.

for instance, if two friends start working night and day to be the best figure skater in the world, and one is more inherently suited for that genetically, obviously that person will exceed their friend, all other factors equal.

after all, there can be only one 'best figure skater'.

its the same with LDing i think. i truly believe any normal person can learn it, and acheive amazing degrees of proficiency if they work hard at it. but lives aren't infinite, and eventually there are definite limits to what extent of mastery different individuals can attain concering LDing, as with anything else in life.

you are obviously naturally gifted towards LDing. i'd wager i put in nearly as much time and effort into it as you, and yet you are well ahead of me in ability...

though i totally get what you're saying. one shouldn't use this line of thinking to tell people that relatively 'easy' things are out of their reach. expectation plays a HUGE part in LDing. so i personally try not to tell anyone that they wont be able to do anything while lucid, to avoid biasing them and creating obstacles.

dustmote has a valid point IMO, as you do...

i think the key is to find the balance...although i tend to make aspects of lucid dreaming seem easier than they seem (for me anyways) when i give advice, because often if someone thinks is should be easy, it is :wink:

just my coupled pennies....

oh, and shyne, all those things you said are completely within reach of you if you practice enough, espeically seeing how young you are..

now, if you'd asked if its possible to have 360 vision, while simultaneously inhabiting 4 different realities with separate numbers of space-time dimensions in each, and tasting a different flavour of skittles in every one....i'd probably say its damn near impossible :D
03-03-2006, 04:10 PM
King and God

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Originally posted by ShYne123
Hi, i just want people to know before i ask this question that i am not a psychopathic weirdo. I want to know to the extent of things that you can do? First off all...would it be possible to make a gun appear and kill somone (i have a Very vivid imagineation and have seen many violent movies) I am not nessesarily saying i will do this but i am wondering...Also can you feel things? some people say they Get numb but if you like touch urself anywere can you feel it? Is it possible to like walk into things if u want to or is EVERYTHING like walkable through. Also, like can you climb buildings and jump off and stuff? Do you ever Feel pain? (Please tell truth becuase if there was some reality to it i think i might be even cool-ER) Also i have one last question and if u have read all this and intend on answering or saying hi in a reply i thank you deeply. Like...people say they can like "climb mt everest".but can somone explain how you could do that if you have no idea what it is like? i mean your not really there its in your head..you know what i mean? I am going to Try alot of techniques tonight, and a WILD in the morning , Wish me luck!!
Thansk so much for reading Peace.

Yes, you can spawn guns. I would advise you to make the gun appear behind you, though, as I find that easier personally. And if you haven't fired a gun in your life, then you should fire one, if possible, so that the realism of the shooting would be boosted in your dreams. I use melee weapons myself in my dreams when I'm killing, as I have no experience with guns - except soft air guns and air guns.

And yes, it's possible to feel things. I can feel in most of my dreams, altough not as much as in reality.
As for pain, you are only going to experience pain if you fear it. Jump off a roof without being afraid of the pain it would cause in reality, then you will not feel any pain whatsoever. Cut off your hand without fear, and you are not going to feel anything either. Simply as that.
03-03-2006, 04:23 PM
Seeker

All things are possible to those that believe.

It is just hard sometimes to kick those nagging doubts in the head. :D

Keep practicing and believe in yourself.
03-03-2006, 04:34 PM
ShYne123

heh thanks, yes i do have EXP with real guns plus i play "counter-stike" so the guns that i havnt shot are still vivid and i can prolly shoot them also, i have exp with 9mill pistol, m4, m16 and belive it or not a grenade lancher lol.
03-04-2006, 12:21 AM
liquidrider_3214

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lier you sit at home and play computer games all day and eat nachos lol jk
03-04-2006, 01:23 AM
Alric

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for instance, if two friends start working night and day to be the best figure skater in the world, and one is more inherently suited for that genetically, obviously that person will exceed their friend, all other factors equal.

The thing is the other factors are never equal. Which means you always have a chance to beat your friend even if he is better suited for it.
03-06-2006, 04:57 PM
[Alpha]-0mega-

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The thing is the other factors are never equal. Which means you always have a chance to beat your friend even if he is better suited for it.

*cough*blackmailing*cough*

hehe Anyway.

Technically ANYTHING is possible.
I think those with a natural affinity for it are better-suited to become ''Lucid God's" if you want to call it that. (Or be me, and be !!!left-handed!!! :D j/k).

Just like some people will never be good at videogames, no matter how much they practice or play, they just don't seem to get it. (Just like how an autistic person will never seem to be capable of doing certain stuff, except playing basketball, they own at that :P believe me, i've seen it).

ANYWAY: I think everyone has a ''cap".
What that cap is, it's you, your personality, your imagination.
Some don't have that affinity because there are factor's unconsciously affecting you (eg.: Logic & Rational thinking people who rather believe in science than personal exploring, might have an believe to ''facts'' so much that it will burn into their unconscious, causing them to not-believe no matter how much they want to, simply because they are used to seeing facts first, believe afterwards.)

However, I DO believe that nearly everyone can get ''cool'' abilities.

eg.:
I know that I for example: can create unique galaxies at will, or for example change the lighting setting in a room, while others claim that it's impossible or extremely hard (to change from dark to light).

Whether you may or not may be capable of doing that, I DO believe that you can do it to a certain extent (aka not a unique galaxy, but stars / planets etc. etc.)

Or gamer-style:
Where someone gets: "Slay 1000 monsters lvl 1000" you get "Slay 10 monsters lvl 10"
Essentially it's the same thing, monsters end up dead, only your ''skill'' is less powerful.

Where you levitate, I fly. etc. etc. etc. (You get the idea right?)

Long post but w/e, I like typing lots of stuff.
03-07-2006, 01:57 AM
ric

to the original poster: you can do anything in your dreams, dont worry about moral values (killing people) , but DONT DO IT IN REAL LIFE :wink:
03-07-2006, 07:15 PM
the real pieman

i dont want to scare you or anything, but it is possible to feel pain in your dreams, i once had a dream that i was walking on sharp rocks and i could feel pain, it wasnt un bearable pain but it was still quite bad, and its very scary, when your lucid because you start to question if this is a dream or not.....
03-10-2006, 12:50 PM
Identity X

In response to whether there will always be 'limits' to what you can do, that is entirely out of context. I mean, a person has to be athletic to figure skate - if he/she isn't he can't do it, and he/she may never be athletic.

But with lucid dreaming, it's different. Anything bar a few anomalies is technically possible, and they have no real prerequisites in the real world - sure, it may take time for some to get to grips with this falt, but once you "open your eyes", you could quite possibly be an expert straight away. I know for one that in my first controlled LD, I could do anything, with no imaginable limit.

So, for all those that dream, LDing is something we all can do well.

And yeah, don't worry about being a freak - let's face it, violence is often very enjoyable indeed :)
03-10-2006, 01:12 PM
Leo Volont

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Originally posted by ShYne123

......... Like...people say they can like "climb mt everest".but can somone explain how you could do that if you have no idea what it is like? i mean your not really there its in your head..you know what i mean? ......

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this is the Materialist Assumption that many contemporary people entertain regarding their dreams and indeed all of their subjective experience. It is typical of Atheists and Scientists. However, the empirical evidence would indicate that dreams do reach out beyond the limited individual experience to the Collective Consciousness. Science tends to ignore such empiricism out of a practiced orthodoxy dedicated to ignoring anything that hints of Spirituality. What happens is that the Scientific Community denounces any finding it considers prima facie to be 'unscientific'.

But one only needs to pay attention to one's dreams and eventually one will attain to an experience which one had never known before and which one will subsequently find to be real to life.

So Dream.

Much of what you will hear from the people on this Page is simple Lucid Dream propaganda -- what everybody was promised and which nobody has realized, but still everybody persists in passing on the empty promises to every newbie that signs on. So, keep a healthy sense of skepticism, and pay attention to your own dream experiences... measuring the possibilities and benefits of Lucid Dreaming not by all of the much repeated hype but by exactly what you find to be true yourself.
03-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Universal Mind

Not everybody can be the best figure skater in the world. Only one person at a time can. Similarly, not everybody can be the most skilled lucid dreamer in the world. However, I strongly believe that every person has it in him/her to be able to majorly control their environments, perceptions, sensations, and behaviors in lucid dreams. Dream details are what you are thinking when you are in the dream state. So if you can think it, you can experience it in a dream. It does take practice, but I think almost everybody is capable of it. It is nowhere near as difficult as advanced figure skating.