How do your dreams begin? (LONG)

:EDIT I had to change the post title, because it was a bit misleading..

If any of this doesn't seem clear, just let me know and I will give as much detail as possible. I'm doing my best to explain this, and trust me I remember it ALL.

Background
On many occasions I've been able to watch how my dreams happen. I'm able to see the whole sequence of events from start to finish. When this happens, I am in a state/place that is hard for me to explain clearly. The STATE I'm at is the point where I'm not fully awake nor asleep. Its the point of where you can either dream if you want or wake up if you want. All I see around me is darkness, but I know that I'm not looking at the darkness through my physical eyes. The PLACE that I'm at when this happens I'm not sure of. If I had to guess I'd say that I'm inside my mind (I know it sounds stupid). A close example would be one episode of Dragon Ball Z, when Vegeta and Goku went inside the head of Majin Buu. Buu was still active in the physical world, but he also had a presence inside his mind. Anyway, that's where I'm at. There is no sound, and no light, but I'm aware that I'm not awake, and I'm not dreaming and that I'm.....THERE in this place.

The Dreaming Begins
My dreams start 1 of 3 ways. 2 of which begin in total darkness.

1. I can actually see dreams passing before my eyes. They scroll from right to left, one behind the other. The dreams look just like what you'd see on a TV screen, except there are no defined boundries where the dream scene that you are looking at meets the darkness around it. The dreams at first are not in color when I'm watching them go by, and they are not in black and white. Everything in the dream scene is outlined in this light gray/greenish color, but I'm able to make out what's going on. If you look at the picture below, just visualize a dream going on in each of those picture cells, only there would not be any lines defining the dream area, and it is much bigger. I'm sure most of you have seen movie introductions where they have the film moving, and a different movie playing in each cell...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/films/imag...eneric_270.gif

Now when I see this happening, Its like I'm being presented with a choice of dreams that I can enter. I literally make a sub-concious thought like...."Hmmm this looks interesting, lets see what it's like". Once that happens, immediately, the dream scene becomes more clear, and begins to fill with color (This happens really quick). Then I enter into the dream as if though I've been apart of it all along. To get an idea of what its like when I enter the actual dream from a point of view perspective, visualize this: You are walking down a sidewalk in a city. There are stores on the side walk, that all have glass windows (like in New York). As you are walking by each store, the scenery, people, etc. are different for each one. If you see something going on inside that you like, then you just open the door and going inside. Now you are a part of what was going on inside that store you liked. Only when I go into my dreams there is no physical barrier that keeps me from entering in. I'll end this one here for now..

2. The second way I've seen my dreams begin when starting with darkness is like this...

I can see my dream coming towards me. This time it actually has a shape. Its square just like a TV screen is. Initially I can only see a faint light in the distance. It is really small. But it gets bigger and bigger as it's coming towards me. As it draws near, I can see what's going on inside the area. I can see the scenery, people and everthing. I can hear nothing though. Once the dream area gets so large that it takes up my point of view, I'm already inside, and I begin dreaming. The crazy part is this. When my dreams start this way, I can look and move around freely, but I cannot speak. My movement is VERY VERY stiff. It's like I have to tell my arms and legs to move...sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I try to say something, but no words come out. It feels like blowing a bubble with bubble gum. As the dream progresses, I gain my sense of touch and taste. If the sun is shinning, I can feel the heat from the sun beams on my skin. Everything I touch I can feel. It feels JUST LIKE THE REAL THING. I cannot tell the difference, only that I know I'm dreaming. Only after I can all of my sense do I began to speak verbally. When I have sex in my dreams it feels just like...sex. I can feel the warmth, moisture, softness of skin, the teeth and lips when I kiss people....the whole 9 yards, and the orgasms are much more intense :oops: . My senses seem more pronounced when I dream like this. I'll end this section here too...


3. The third way that see my dreams begin is a little different. I just start off in the dream world...BUT the dream hasn't began yet, but I know I'm inside, because I can see the scenery all around me (sun, sky, flowers, etc) but there are no people around. This is the scary part. I'm moving against my own will through the dream world..it is a floating type movement. It feels like someone picked my up and is carrying me somewhere. I can see everything around me as I'm moving through the air..my god it is soooo beautiful....I don't know how to explain it. Then I can sense that my movement is slowing down. Then it comes to a stop, and I'm back on the ground free to move about and do as I please. Only then did I realize what had just happened. When I entered my dream and began to float to a destination, I was being carried to a point in the dream world were my dream actually starts action wise!! In other words..I'm in the dream, but I haven't started dreaming yet. When I'm floating nothing is moving around me in the dream world. everything is still. When I stop floating, everything goes into motion. I can hear, smell, taste, etc. like I normally do in dreams. I LOVE IT when I start dreams off like this. I'll end this one here...

Any other time I'm dreaming, I don't know how it started....I'm just there.

I apologize for this being so long, but I thought I'd share. There is SOOO much more left that I have to tell about, but its me bed time now. Talk to yall later. :wink:

Habiib,

All these sound like WILD's to me. Are they?

I think the way it happens is simply the way the individual EXPECTS it to happen. I like the movie-clip aspect of yours, and would like to train myself to do it that way, but I think that after doing this for so long, I'm locked into my own way. :D
When I do a WILD, and am, like you stated, in that in-between state, where you can either simply open your eyes and be done with it (what a waste!!) or continue into it and let it develop, I first hear loud, surging, high-pitched rings in my head. When this happens, I've found that I can still move my body in bed (tap a finger, for example), but next I feel a gripping paralysis of all my muscles. As a kid this scared me, but repetition has taken the fear of it away. The next step is where images form. Out of the darkness comes a colorless, motionless, single image.....almost like a reverse or a relief image. Then voices can come in, other images form, motion and color start, and the dream is off and away, with me at the helm!
Last night, instead of flying or doing some other holy-shit-I'm-dreaming!! thing, I chose to stop at a small restaurant at a carnival and watch an old Italian lady make pasta. Since I knew it was my own dream, I put my feet up on the counter, which she didn't like. She didn't know english, and obviously didn't know that this was a stranger's dream; she pointed at my feet and shook her head disapprovingly. I humored her and apologized as I put my feet back on the floor. I just sat and watched her from behind the small counter as other people ate their food. I seem to be doing that more and more these days; choosing to concentrate on some trivial, mundane activity instead of going crazy like I used to. It's so much more fascinating for me to watch people going on with their lives and their everyday activities as if I didn't really matter, and didn't really create them. It's fun to play along.
Habiib, I'm guessing that you've been LD'ing for a long time. Like me, you've obviously put a lot of waking time into analyzing the goings-on of your dreams and their patterns. I enjoyed reading your post.

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Originally posted by Tjhands
Habiib,

All these sound like WILD's to me. Are they?

I think the way it happens is simply the way the individual EXPECTS it to happen. I like the movie-clip aspect of yours, and would like to train myself to do it that way, but I think that after doing this for so long, I'm locked into my own way. :D
When I do a WILD, and am, like you stated, in that in-between state, where you can either simply open your eyes and be done with it (what a waste!!) or continue into it and let it develop, I first hear loud, surging, high-pitched rings in my head. When this happens, I've found that I can still move my body in bed (tap a finger, for example), but next I feel a gripping paralysis of all my muscles. As a kid this scared me, but repetition has taken the fear of it away. The next step is where images form. Out of the darkness comes a colorless, motionless, single image.....almost like a reverse or a relief image. Then voices can come in, other images form, motion and color start, and the dream is off and away, with me at the helm!
Last night, instead of flying or doing some other holy-shit-I'm-dreaming!! thing, I chose to stop at a small restaurant at a carnival and watch an old Italian lady make pasta. Since I knew it was my own dream, I put my feet up on the counter, which she didn't like. She didn't know english, and obviously didn't know that this was a stranger's dream; she pointed at my feet and shook her head disapprovingly. I humored her and apologized as I put my feet back on the floor. I just sat and watched her from behind the small counter as other people ate their food. I seem to be doing that more and more these days; choosing to concentrate on some trivial, mundane activity instead of going crazy like I used to. It's so much more fascinating for me to watch people going on with their lives and their everyday activities as if I didn't really matter, and didn't really create them. It's fun to play along.
Habiib, I'm guessing that you've been LD'ing for a long time. Like me, you've obviously put a lot of waking time into analyzing the goings-on of your dreams and their patterns. I enjoyed reading your post.

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YES YES YES THATS IT!!!!! It starts off looking like a negative....that describes it perfectly. Its amazing how we both have experienced the paralysis thing since a very young age. I never knew why that happened to me. Sometimes looking through my physical eyes I can see a dream going on and everything in my room at the same time. Maybe I'll try what you said, and just watch things happen in my dream without interacting.

I'm just amazed at how powerful the brain really is. How it can create these worlds that are so real down to the very last detail. Glad you enjoyed it. :)

Habiib,

That is totally amazing that you have the same phenomenon of seeing a relief or negative image. I wonder if we're all hard wired that way? You know those hand-held gadgets that are made up of thousands of little moveable lengths of silver metal, where you indent your hand or other object into it and then turn it over and you can see the relief of the object? That's just what it looks like when the dreaming starts, except instead of being silver, it's a black image on a darker black background....if that makes sense.

Wow, that sounds so cool that you've opened your eyes enough to see your room AND the dream! When I've tried that in the past, the dream goes away, but when I try to stare at my ceiling, my eyes are still in REM mode and dart all over the place. :shock:

Have you ever made up songs or anything artsy in your LD's? That is the stuff that amazes me the most. When I turn on a radio in my dream, and the song starts playing, I'm either awestruck by how perfectly my brain recalls every single note in a song that I've heard before, or less commonly, by how quickly my brain instantly invents a brand new song - one that simply doesn't exist - and how the melody and everything actually sounds good. The lyrics make perfect sense and even rhyme!
That kind of stuff makes me think that we are all soooo much more intelligent, capable, and COMPLEX than we will ever know. I think that whatever mental walls or boundaries of ability and intelligence exist in our waking lives, come tumbling down when we are dreaming. I feel so lucky to be able to lucid dream, and to be able to catch a conscious glimpse of the true power of the mind that's inside me. It floors me. It really does.

I only ever had one lucid dream that was a wild. It was kind of like your 3rd one. I woke up in my room though and the bed flew up and through the wall and I was in a new location where the dream started. It only took about two seconds from the point I opened my eyes untill I was in the new location though.

ya, i do the whole seeing the waking world and dream thing alot...confuses the heck outta me sometimes