The Shaman's Dreamtime

[dreammagick]

Hello, Currently I am studying a shamanic approach to lucid dreaming in Peru which involves working with a variety of sacred and medicinal plants which are both teachers and guides to the dreamworld. In the shaman's world, all realities are considered to be dreamed realities. So we have the sleeping dream and the waking dream and we are creating both of them. The medicinal and sacred plants I am working with are an indigenous science here which have been practiced for over 5,000 years. Plants are the oldest form of life on the planet and they are considered by the shaman to actually be a form of life superior to humanity in the evolutionary scale. Plants have infinite wisdom since they have been on the planet so much longer than humans *and co existing peacefully*. As a result, many of the plant intelligences are so highly evolved that they are now assisting humans in their evolution. Just as some humans mission in life is to be a teacher, some plants also are "Teacher Plants". All plants have spirits so you could consider them to be spiritual guides. They teach us in the spiritual world, or if you prefer, the dreamworld, and they do this by appearing in your dreams symbolically as characters or energies that your subconscious can understand. This process can be quite complex. For example, working with the teacher plants here is actually called "dieting with plants" or "La Dieta". All of the plants have specific personalities just like people. They have likes and dislikes and preferences as well for the manner in which they teach. In general, the plants do not like smoking, drinking alcohol, or certain foods such as pork, spices, meat of any kind (with the exception of fish), etc. In other words, when you diet with a plant, you refrain from ingesting all of these foods since the plants do not like the way they effect your energy. Hence, the term dieting with plants. I just recently did a diet with a plant called Ajo Sacha which was incredible! I dieted with this plant for 7 days. Everyday I would be alone in solitude and the shaman was the only person I would see. Daily, he would bring me a tea made from Ajo Sacha as well as a diet of smoked fish without any spices at all, as well as fruits to eat. After drinking the tea, I would become very sleepy and then drift off into the dreamtime. In the evening, the shaman would bring me another diet of fish, fruits and juices, as well as a very concentrated mixture of Ajo Sacha which I bathed in. The lucid experiences I had in one week were so extensive that I was simply unable to write them all down. Fortunately, I had an MP3 voice recorder so I was able to record all of the experiences in my own voice while lying in bed without forgetting too many of them. Currently, I am reviewing all of my recordings and writing a paper about the experience which I will post just as soon as I have it completed. This week I am dieting with another teacher plant called chacruna. All of the plants dissolve the borders that seperate the waking dream and the sleeping dream. A good anology for how this works on one's consciousness would be to view the borders between worlds to be an onion. While there is no single plant that peels the entire onion, each plant you work with specifically peels one layer of the onion. So by the end of the dieting process with various teacher plants, all of the illusions seperating waking life and the dreamworld have been completely dissolved. Peace! Juan

[Peter Diggs]

I found this way too fascinating, you really must post that report here when it's completed.

[Adepticus]

This sounds really cool. Tell us more.

[student]

* Watching with immense interest *

[Jess]

How did you organise doing this? Sounds very interesting, good luck.

[dreammagick]

How did you organise doing this? Sounds very interesting, good luck. [/b] Hi Jess, I am from Mexico which has more sacred and medicinal plants than any other country in the world, so I began studying at a very young age. My interest has always been in otherworlds and alternate realities. The majority of plants that are known for lucid dreaming and interdimensional travel are for the most part found in Peru, Brazil and Ecuador. So that is how my path led me to Peru where I am currently studying. Juan

[dreammagick]

Hello, Currently I am studying a shamanic approach to lucid dreaming in Peru which involves working with a variety of sacred and medicinal plants which are both teachers and guides to the dreamworld. In the shaman's world, all realities are considered to be dreamed realities. So we have the sleeping dream and the waking dream and we are creating both of them. The medicinal and sacred plants I am working with are an indigenous science here which have been practiced for over 5,000 years. Plants are the oldest form of life on the planet and they are considered by the shaman to actually be a form of life superior to humanity in the evolutionary scale. Plants have infinite wisdom since they have been on the planet so much longer than humans *and co existing peacefully*. As a result, many of the plant intelligences are so highly evolved that they are now assisting humans in their evolution. Just as some humans mission in life is to be a teacher, some plants also are "Teacher Plants". All plants have spirits so you could consider them to be spiritual guides. They teach us in the spiritual world, or if you prefer, the dreamworld, and they do this by appearing in your dreams symbolically as characters or energies that your subconscious can understand. This process can be quite complex. For example, working with the teacher plants here is actually called "dieting with plants" or "La Dieta". All of the plants have specific personalities just like people. They have likes and dislikes and preferences as well for the manner in which they teach. In general, the plants do not like smoking, drinking alcohol, or certain foods such as pork, spices, meat of any kind (with the exception of fish), etc. In other words, when you diet with a plant, you refrain from ingesting all of these foods since the plants do not like the way they effect your energy. Hence, the term dieting with plants. I just recently did a diet with a plant called Ajo Sacha which was incredible! I dieted with this plant for 7 days. Everyday I would be alone in solitude and the shaman was the only person I would see. Daily, he would bring me a tea made from Ajo Sacha as well as a diet of smoked fish without any spices at all, as well as fruits to eat. After drinking the tea, I would become very sleepy and then drift off into the dreamtime. In the evening, the shaman would bring me another diet of fish, fruits and juices, as well as a very concentrated mixture of Ajo Sacha which I bathed in. The lucid experiences I had in one week were so extensive that I was simply unable to write them all down. Fortunately, I had an MP3 voice recorder so I was able to record all of the experiences in my own voice while lying in bed without forgetting too many of them. Currently, I am reviewing all of my recordings and writing a paper about the experience which I will post just as soon as I have it completed. This week I am dieting with another teacher plant called chacruna. All of the plants dissolve the borders that seperate the waking dream and the sleeping dream. A good anology for how this works on one's consciousness would be to view the borders between worlds to be an onion. While there is no single plant that peels the entire onion, each plant you work with specifically peels one layer of the onion. So by the end of the dieting process with various teacher plants, all of the illusions seperating waking life and the dreamworld have been completely dissolved. Peace! Juan [/b] Hello everyone! Below is my report from my one week diet experience with Ajo Sacha. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- During my one week diet with the teacher plant Ajo Sacha, I had so many lucid dreams that I was astonished. There were by far too many lucid dream experiences to journal on a daily basis, but I did have an MP3 voice recorder which allowed me to record almost every single dream experience upon awakening before the memories would fade. Since I literally had enough lucid dreams to fill a book, I decided to find the major "themes"and "lessons" that Ajo Sacha shared with me during the diet and write about those to give everyone an idea of how the teacher plants actually teach. Teacher plants are very similar to human teachers in many ways. They all have different personalities, they all have different styles of teaching their students, and they all teach different subjects as well. In order to convey their messages with the greatest clarity, they speak in the universal language of symbolism. Ajo Sacha is known for having quite a sense of humor. The shamans say that she is the gatekeeper to both the dreamworld and the plant kingdom. Likewise, she is famous for testing one's awareness from time to time to confirm that you have in fact understood her previous lessons before moving on to higher levels of learning. On the first night of the diet as I was going to sleep I began to see visions of Jessica Simpson in a bikini dancing in front of me. This was so lucid and so vivid that I actually laughed out loud! I woke up and rubbed my eyes because I almost could not believe what was happenning. I went back to bed a few minutes later and Jessica was still dancing in front of me in the same bikini, but this time she moved closer. She was very flirtatious and forward with me suggesting with her words and actions that we get to know each other. As one of requirements of the diet is to refrain from having sex, I recognized fairly quickly that this really was Ajo Sacha appearing to me symbolically. After several minutes of resisting the temptation, Jessica smiled and acknowledged to me that she was Ajo Sacha. She said, "Now that I have your attention, let's go!" The next thing I knew the dream changed completely and I was inside a Dunkin Donuts and the waitress asked me what type of donut I wanted. I asked her for a dunkin donut but she replied that they were out of dunkin donuts. I asked for several different types of donuts but they never had any of the ones I wanted. I finally became so irate that I started yelling and screaming! I asked them, "What kind of a dunkin donuts is completely out of donuts?" Then of course I realized the joke as they all began laughing at me. One of the requirements of the diet is not to eat sugar or candy and this too was Ajo Sacha testing my awareness. The scenery changed again, and this time I was in a bar and the bartender was Gene Simmons from KISS. He did not have his makeup on, but I immediately recognized the symbology of this dream. His character in KISS was "The Demon" and here the demon was right in front of me tempting me with offers of top shelf liquors, the finest wines and cuban cigars. I just laughed at him because I really could not believe all of these dreams were occurring in the same night! As I told him goodbye, he asked me if I was certain that I did not want to join him at an after hours party at the playboy mansion! I think you can see now why Ajo Sacha is known for her sense of humor. The temptations ended after the first night, however, Ajo Sacha continued to appear to me as Jessica Simpson and Eva Longoria. In all instances she did this to get my attention. Once I acknowleged her presence and the fact that I knew I was dreaming, she would share another teaching with me. For example, on the night she appeared to me as Eva Longoria, she was taking a shower in a white room with white candles, white curtains and red roses. As she got out of the shower she asked me to follow her upstairs to her bedroom. The staircase was a beautiful golden spiral staircase. As we reached the top of the staircase the frame of the house disappeared and we were in the clouds flying. As the clouds parted, I could see the heavens and there were white doves flying with us. However, I was unable to fly any higher because I had my laptop computer with me which was weighting me down. Since I use my laptop for work, I would not let go of it even though the doves and Eva (who had now become an angel) were telling me to let the computer go so I could fly higher with them. This dream was one of the most symbolic yet. My laptop computer represents my work which is the main source of stress for me. Not to mention my work on the laptop consumes the majority of my time. My refusal to let go of the laptop was the one thing that currently prevents me from dedicating more time to the dreamworld and shamanic studies. In the following dream I was in my apartment trying to meditate when I heard noises in the hallway that were so loud that I was unable to concentrate. I went outside to see who was making all of the noise and it was the little kid Damian from all of the Damian Omen horror movies. When he saw me he immediately tried to attack me, but I was so mad at him that I began chasing him down the stairs. This dream was also very symbolic. Damian represented a demon, specifically, my personal demons which prevent me from meditating or doing other things I enjoy. Interestingly, when I confronted him he ran away. For some reason he did not have any of his supernatural powers like in the movies. This theme of confronting demons and illusions was a major teaching from Ajo Sacha that continued in several more dreams. In my dreams the following night, I was working with an undercover SWAT team and we were chasing the "bad guys" who disappeared into tunnels underground when we showed them our badges. Originally, they appeared to be very dangerous people, in fact, most of the SWAT team was afraid. We all could sense that our captain was nervous and tense so we thought that the bad guys must be really dangerous. Yet when we confronted them with our authority, they ran away without a fight. This dream as well was highly symbolic to me. The things that we fear the most often tend to disappear when we confront them with our personal power. The following night I had a similar dream of being confronted by very dark energies in an underground warehouse. They were chasing me and trying to shoot me, but slowly I began to awaken and confront them. As I confronted them , they disentegrated like the vampires in the Blade movies. One of the dark energies managed to cut my leg. It was a very deep wound and it was bleeding badly, but I realized that I was dreaming and the leg magically healed like the metal terminator. At this point, I was almost fully lucid and the scenery of the dream changed into a combat video game where I was in control completely. It was a game which I was winning and nothing could really hurt me. Once again, I saw the symbolism being that when we confront our fears they lose their power over us and they go away. Later, I was on an airplane again with Eva Longoria who was stilled dressed like an angel. She began explaining to me the meaning of the two previous dreams and asked me if I knew what they meant. The song Baby Baby It's A Wild World by Cat Stevens was playing in the background. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I was dreaming. She told me that we were always dreaming. She went on to explain that our entire lives really were movies which we were writing the script for on a very unconscious level. She told me this was why vampires died like in the Blade movie and why I healed myself like the terminator. It was just more symbology. She even mentioned that both the SWAT dream and the dream in the underground warehouse were symbolic of the darkest parts of our subconscious minds. This dream was the most incredible to date. I knew everything she had told me was true. I also saw the symbology of being in the airplane with her as indicating that the answer to creating our own movies, or our own script is in developing the ability to control our thoughts (as represented by the Air element). Naturally, if we have a pre-determined destination or goal in mind at the beginning of our journey, our chances of success are much greater (as represented by the airplane, which always has a destination planned well in advance). At this point in the diet process, I was completely amazed at all of the information I had received from Ajo Sacha. However, I still had one unanswered question. I wanted to know how I could support myself if I were to quit my job. I really wanted to stop working and leave all of the stress and anxiety behind to study more with sacred and medicinal plants in the Amazon and elsewhere, but I just could not understand how that would be possible. That night I had a dream that I was down near the river. On one side of the river I was with all of the people from my waking world. On the other side of the river were all of the energies and intelligences from the dreamworld. There was a bridge connecting the two sides, but I was the only person who could see the bridge. I spent what seemed to be several days in physical time going to the "other side" and bringing back gifts and art to share with people in the waking world. The most amazing part of this dream in hindsight is that not only was it the answer to my one remaining question, but the symbology showed me how I could make a living doing what I loved simply by sharing my experiences with others whether it be in art, writing books, etc. This was also the only dream I can recall that Ajo Sacha did not appear to me in. I recognized the symbology in this as her confirmation that I had the power within myself to manifest this change in my life. To say the least, it has taken some time to assimilate and integrate all of the teachings that Ajo Sacha shared with me. She is famous among the natives for cleansing and healing. Whether an individual is suffering consciously or unconsciously, and whether it may be on a physical, mental or spiritual level, Ajo Sacha facilitates a process which allows us to overcome whatever may be blocking us from taking the next step on our personal journey of empowerment and evolution. In my experiences, as reflected in the symbology of my dreams, she helped me to understand the importance of withstanding the tempations of the physical world, as well as confronting my own personal demons which in reality have proved to be illusions, and she helped me to see clearly how I could manifest the changes in my life that I was seeking. Most importantly, she helped to realize that we are always dreaming and the only limits to what we can do in our dreams are illusions within our own minds.

[Jess]

Awesome report man. Are you training to be an ayahuascero? I believe Ajo Sacha and Chacruna can be ingredients in the ayahuasca brew, right? I'd love to do what you're doing someday.

[lucidbuddha]

Wow, that is incredible. Is there anyway to implement that diet in an average american lifestyle? Can we get that stuff here?

[student]

Wow - what an incredible experience. I have been thinking about dream sequences lately. I often have dreams with similar themes several nights in a row and I believe they are message dreams. I particularly liked the last dream of sharing the art and experiences with the waking world people. That would be a great way to support yourself - spend your nights dreaming and your days researching/painting/writing/creating. Wonderful

[SKA]

and writing a paper about the experience which I will post just as soon as I have it completed. This week I am dieting with another teacher plant called chacruna. All of the plants dissolve the borders that seperate the waking dream and the sleeping dream. A good anology for how this works on one's consciousness would be to view the borders between worlds to be an onion. While there is no single plant that peels the entire onion, each plant you work with specifically peels one layer of the onion. So by the end of the dieting process with various teacher plants, all of the illusions seperating waking life and the dreamworld have been completely dissolved. Peace! Juan [/b] Chacruna? Isn't that a DMT containing plant often used in Ayahuasca brews (A.K.A. Yage)? Interresting. How will you dose yourself Chacruna in this Diet? Do you serve yourself Small portions of Chacruna often over a period of 7 days? Or do you take 1 large dose? And are you experimenting for the effects of DMT? Do let me know the Outcome. I have a Topic in the ''Extended Discussion'' Board called ''Psychedelic Experiences'' Let me know something about your Chacruna Diet and the Experience if you can? Thx.

[DreamDudeDave]

That was cool thanks. Is Ajo Sacha only found in Peru and Mexico and South America? I just had an insight about Ajo Sacha Wisdom that "We are always dreaming." For me this I realized as true because we are always living. When we go to dreamtime we are still alive, our bodies do not disapear into dreams, but our state of mind does, and its how it is, symbolic, and when we come to our wakingtime we bring our mental minds back to this world. Maybe your gifts from the otherworld across the bridge will be lucid techniques? Wisdom From Dreamtime by Juan. I would buy that if it was a book. Also I was drawing Sacred Geometry one day. It was from an insight I gained one night, and it turned out to be a 12 sided Jewel, amazing, and in the night when I dreamed, I saw these bombs enter my dream world from the sky, and I later realized they were these jewels made to look like bombs, when they came into the world they came from the middle of the sky, as if apearing from nowhere, I realized, intuitively knew for sure, that they were entering from my waking life through the pineal gland into my dream world from the middle of the sky where the BRIDGE was, the Pineal Gland. Serious this is something to look into. I may want to become a Dream Scientist AKA Shaman too When these jewels came into the world they brought with them immense clarity. I will post an image of these 12 sided jewels so you can have an idea of what they are.

[DreamDudeDave]

Now imagine that a yellow part is a jewel that is 12 sided, that is what 1 looks like.

[dreammagick]

Awesome report man. Are you training to be an ayahuascero? I believe Ajo Sacha and Chacruna can be ingredients in the ayahuasca brew, right? I'd love to do what you're doing someday. [/b] Hi Jess! Yes, you are correct. Both Ajo Sacha and Chacruna are used in Ayahuasca by some Ayahuasqueros. The entire indigenous science is called Vegetalismo. One becomes a Vegetalista by dieting for years with all of the different teacher plants. In the process, some are called by the plants to become Ayahuasqueros as well as many other types of Curanderos (healers). At the moment, I am content just to be a student on the path which I am certain will be a lifelong process. There are many excellent Ayahuasqueros here in Peru and in all of the diets I am doing I drink ayahuasca 3 times every week as part of the process. :-) Juan Wow, that is incredible. Is there anyway to implement that diet in an average american lifestyle? Can we get that stuff here? [/b] Hello LD, You can implement the diet process into any lifestyle provided that you have a set and a setting which is free from distraction and you are able to remain in solitude. However, nothing really beats the ambience of the jungle or nature itself. Ajo Sacha can be found at most ethnobotanical shops online. It also is sold here in Peru. I will be happy to help you locate some if you are unable to find it elsewhere. Just send me a PM. Wow - what an incredible experience. I have been thinking about dream sequences lately. I often have dreams with similar themes several nights in a row and I believe they are message dreams. I particularly liked the last dream of sharing the art and experiences with the waking world people. That would be a great way to support yourself - spend your nights dreaming and your days researching/painting/writing/creating. Wonderful [/b] Thanks Student, I definitely interpreted it to be a sign. At the moment, I am in the process of integrating this all and seeing how I can share it with others. Chacruna? Isn't that a DMT containing plant often used in Ayahuasca brews (A.K.A. Yage)? Interresting. How will you dose yourself Chacruna in this Diet? Do you serve yourself Small portions of Chacruna often over a period of 7 days? Or do you take 1 large dose? And are you experimenting for the effects of DMT? Do let me know the Outcome. I have a Topic in the ''Extended Discussion'' Board called ''Psychedelic Experiences'' Let me know something about your Chacruna Diet and the Experience if you can? Thx. [/b] Hello SKA, Yes chacruna contains DMT. *All living things do* However, the DMT is not orally active unless it is mixed with an MAOI such as Banisteriopsis Cappi. In the chacruna diet, I would drink two liters of tea everyday throughout the day as well as bathing in a concentrated mixture of chacruna. You do not really get the effects of DMT from dieting with chacruna, but you do hear the spirit of the chacruna communicating with you telepathically and teaching you in your dreams which was amazing! Right now I am listening to the recordings from the chacruna diet and I will post my experience soon.

[dreammagick]

That was cool thanks. Is Ajo Sacha only found in Peru and Mexico and South America? I just had an insight about Ajo Sacha Wisdom that "We are always dreaming." For me this I realized as true because we are always living. When we go to dreamtime we are still alive, our bodies do not disapear into dreams, but our state of mind does, and its how it is, symbolic, and when we come to our wakingtime we bring our mental minds back to this world. Maybe your gifts from the otherworld across the bridge will be lucid techniques? Wisdom From Dreamtime by Juan. I would buy that if it was a book. Also I was drawing Sacred Geometry one day. It was from an insight I gained one night, and it turned out to be a 12 sided Jewel, amazing, and in the night when I dreamed, I saw these bombs enter my dream world from the sky, and I later realized they were these jewels made to look like bombs, when they came into the world they came from the middle of the sky, as if apearing from nowhere, I realized, intuitively knew for sure, that they were entering from my waking life through the pineal gland into my dream world from the middle of the sky where the BRIDGE was, the Pineal Gland. Serious this is something to look into. I may want to become a Dream Scientist AKA Shaman too When these jewels came into the world they brought with them immense clarity. I will post an image of these 12 sided jewels so you can have an idea of what they are. [/b] Hola DDD! I have only found Ajo Sacha in Peru, but it may grow in other countries. I know many ehtnobotanical suppliers online sell it ands ship it all over the world. As for your insight, I think it is very true. As the borders dissolve between realities, I see that there is the waking dream and the sleeping dream. Also the more I study, I see that waking is to sleeping what living is to dying. Death is nothing to be feared because it is just a transition to another state of consciousness. I think your drawing from your dream is incredible! I agree the bridge being the pineal gland really warrants further research. It seems science as well ancient knowledge all regard the pineal gland as being the gateway from the spirit world into the physical world.

[BenQ]

This is one of the most fascinating posts I've seen yet on this forum. It would be wonderful to hear about your ongoing experiences in Peru on this forum. Or even better, my friend - write a book!! What you're doing right now - in the jungle, working with shamans and these wonderful plants - my god, it is amazing!!

[silverkaren]

That is really amazing I would love to do that same sort of course. I have only recently realised the power of the sub conscious mind and it is incredible. For me dreams play a very important role in my waking life. That is the best article I have read so far keep writing. :yumdumdoodledum:

[Poison Apple]

You could probably set up a business selling the plants - maybe not because if there was a big demand people would start destroying nature to get them.

[dreammagick]

That is really amazing I would love to do that same sort of course. I have only recently realised the power of the sub conscious mind and it is incredible. For me dreams play a very important role in my waking life. That is the best article I have read so far keep writing. :yumdumdoodledum: [/b] Thanks Silverkaren, I recently finished a one week diet with the plant chacruna and I am writing about my experiences now. I will post it in the near future. Cheers, Juan You could probably set up a business selling the plants - maybe not because if there was a big demand people would start destroying nature to get them. [/b] Hello Poison Apple, You can buy almost all of the plants online at reputable ethnobotanical suppliers. However, the experience of being in solitude in nature with the plants during the diet really can´t be beat. I plan to create a series of workshops and retreats in the future so others can experience the magick of the plant teachers for themselves. Cheers, Juan

[Burns]

Wow, Juan! I just read this entire thread for the first time and I'm so captivated by your experiences so far. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I can't wait to read about your experiences with chacruna!

[dsr]

I find it ironic that in this forum there has been not a single post of disbelief or criticism to an animistic practice involving a psychedelic concoction, while in the notorious Beyond Dreaming forum, OneRyt received a lot of skepticism regarding a recollection of his that took place under the influence of shrooms. That being said, this sounds very interesting, and enjoy your studies. I look forward to reading about your experiences with chacruna.

[dreammagick]

Wow, Juan! I just read this entire thread for the first time and I'm so captivated by your experiences so far. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I can't wait to read about your experiences with chacruna! [/b] Hello Burns, My diet with chacruna really blew me away! In fact, it was so intense that I realized after two days that I needed to get out of the city and go into seclusion in the jungle. In my one week in the jungle I had numerous lucid and out of body experiences, however I could not believe what happened on the 7th day of the diet. I actually made contact with a spirit doctor! One moment I was in this physical reality and meditating and the next moment I was in another reality or another dimension altogether connecting with this interdimensional being. The process was so profound that I am going back at the shaman's request to do another one week diet on Friday. I will be back online a week from Friday and I plan to post my experiences as soon as possible. Juan

[manteigamendoim]

I have been very interested in shamanism for a while which eventually led me to trying Salvia divinorum which I thought would lead me to a deeper understanding of everything. The mistake I did was that I pretty much took it as if it where a regular thing (i didnt ceremonialize or anything).I didnt pay attention to set and setting, or my mind set, and I remember just feeling excited over the things I would see. The experience was very scary. Something definitly communicated with me but showed me my self image as something very humiliating (ive always had trouble with low selfesteem) and I found myself whispering outloud apologizing and promising I would take it more seriously next time. Also when I thought about my wife after I started recognizing my normal reality it came back to me and said SHOULD WE TAKE HER IN HERE WITH US?!?! I again apologized alot begging to leave her alone. Sufice to say since then Im not as motivated to try pschedelics just for kicks. in my life Ive also had some sleep paralysis which led me to discovering this board and since I dont have a mentor or shaman to guide me through the process of learning from plants ive felt lucid dreaming could be another way. After trying all the techniques on lucid dreaming no lucid dreams though I did have some good dream recall and relaxing meditation after taking a break for a week the past two nights ive spontaneiously become lucid. especially this morning i looked at myself in the mirror and saw I had long jewish sideburns (im bolivian not jewish) and I though I must be dreaming. I tried to fly and I felt the same sensation as sleep paralysis and no take off and then i opened my eyes for real. Juan I was wondering if you knew of any shamans in Bolivia.

[dreammagick]

I have been very interested in shamanism for a while which eventually led me to trying Salvia divinorum which I thought would lead me to a deeper understanding of everything. The mistake I did was that I pretty much took it as if it where a regular thing (i didnt ceremonialize or anything).I didnt pay attention to set and setting, or my mind set, and I remember just feeling excited over the things I would see. The experience was very scary. Something definitly communicated with me but showed me my self image as something very humiliating (ive always had trouble with low selfesteem) and I found myself whispering outloud apologizing and promising I would take it more seriously next time. Also when I thought about my wife after I started recognizing my normal reality it came back to me and said SHOULD WE TAKE HER IN HERE WITH US?!?! I again apologized alot begging to leave her alone. Sufice to say since then Im not as motivated to try pschedelics just for kicks. in my life Ive also had some sleep paralysis which led me to discovering this board and since I dont have a mentor or shaman to guide me through the process of learning from plants ive felt lucid dreaming could be another way. After trying all the techniques on lucid dreaming no lucid dreams though I did have some good dream recall and relaxing meditation after taking a break for a week the past two nights ive spontaneiously become lucid. especially this morning i looked at myself in the mirror and saw I had long jewish sideburns (im bolivian not jewish) and I though I must be dreaming. I tried to fly and I felt the same sensation as sleep paralysis and no take off and then i opened my eyes for real. Juan I was wondering if you knew of any shamans in Bolivia. [/b] Hello M! Personally, I do not know of any shamans in Bolivia, however, I have been working with many different shamans from Peru, Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico. I am sure I can help you find a shaman in Bolivia if you let me know what you are looking for exactly. Hello M! Personally, I do not know of any shamans in Bolivia, however, I have been working with many different shamans from Peru, Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico. I am sure I can help you find a shaman in Bolivia if you let me know what you are looking for exactly. [/b] Hello everyone! Sorry it has taken so long to post again.... My chacruna diet in the jungle in Peru turned into quite an adventure which involved not just chacruna but many other plant teachers. At the moment, I am back home in Mexico and compiling all of my recordings from the journey into a paper which I plan to post just as soon as I am done. Happy New Year! Juan

[gregash]

Juan, This is by far the most unique and interesting post I have read in a long time. The only downside is that there are no shamans in my area for me to study under. (Minnesota, USA) I can't wait to hear about your new experiences. And good luck on all of your future diets.