Thread: Chat Logs

Spoiler for Previous week analysis:

You guys have been doing great at your workbooks. Most of them were easy to read with excellent and very comfortable formats! Make sure to always post what I require on each class. Even if it becomes a little redundant, it is important that I can be aware of your feelings, excitement and progress. So the more detail, the better! Specially on this coming week. I need to see how you are incubating and celebrating your goals before accomplishing them

Spoiler for Notes for Class #2:

Excellent guys. You have been excellent!! This is how the classes should go. I was able to share 4 times more information in a shorter time than the previous (and way shorter class) I was able to reply a lot of questions and everything went as desired.
Thank you guys. With such good classes, we all win

Spoiler for Class #2:

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? @PercyLucid: Hi all
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? eduaaraujo : hI!
KidCrow : hey
? elemental135 : hello ^-^
: JP : I hope I
: Wallboy : hi
? @PercyLucid: so we will get started with the second class
: JP : I'm not to late
: mikeac : hola
? @PercyLucid: today is one of the most important class
? @PercyLucid: I know some of you know how to incubate dreams
? @PercyLucid: and this is the most important part of the MILD technique
? @PercyLucid: do any of you plan your dreams?
: Telemachus : At times
NoDaniel : sometimes
Amity : I have only once recently, for a TotM
KidCrow : yes
: mikeac : of course
: JP : I started recently
bennerman : Yes, I do
stonedape : not exactly, I focus on themes and events sometimes
NoDaniel : but i dont really know what exactly to do
: Wallboy : haven't really tried to
? eduaaraujo : i dont
bennerman : well, I focus on the goals, anyways
? elemental135 : occasionally, for certain goals i never complete...
stonedape : only since the last class tho
: Shadowmilo : You know i did percy.
? Captain^Frapo : Typically, yes. Though often I'll intend a dream and have another occur,
? @PercyLucid: Well, incubating dreams does help a lot, and usually makes a difference between accomplishing or not
? @PercyLucid: first of all
? @PercyLucid: you want to use as much senses as you can when you visualize your dream
? @PercyLucid: some people can't visualize the dream, or it is what is claimed
? @PercyLucid: however, there are more ways to visualize the dreams, other than using your eyes
? @PercyLucid: for some poeple, imaginery do not work well
? @PercyLucid: let's say we want to dream with a concert
? @PercyLucid: some people will be better visualizing the crown, the starts, the lights etc
? @PercyLucid: other people will focus better visualizing the music, the sounds, the cries of the crowd
? @PercyLucid: other people will be better with the smells a concert may have
? @PercyLucid: other peole will need to feel the concert itself
? @PercyLucid: the crowd pushing you, the dancing, etc
? @PercyLucid: and some people will need to taste (a little harder on this specific scenario)
? @PercyLucid: so, I am sure some of you can't put an image on your head
? @PercyLucid: so you will need to try to use other senses
? @PercyLucid: the way to properly incubate the dream
? @PercyLucid: is to visualize specially the first scenario of the dream
? @PercyLucid: for example
? @PercyLucid: let's say I want to dream I fly to the moon
? @PercyLucid: the proper incubation I would do would be more or less something like
? @PercyLucid: "I feel myself walking at night. I visualize the sky, with no clouds and the stars. I visualize myself realizing I am in a dream and jumping to fly. Once I am on the air, I feel the wind in my face and how my body moves up in the sky, getting closer to the moon..."
? @PercyLucid: you will find a few things in this incubation
? @PercyLucid: 1st- I did not incubate the reality check
? @PercyLucid: Focusing on a reality check is a dangerous zone... You might end up dreaming you do a RC without turning lucid. You should never visualize yourself looking at your hands or piching your nose, etc
? @PercyLucid: you must visualize yourself turning lucid, but never the specific reality checks. For most people, different reality checks will work on different dreams
? @PercyLucid: 2nd you will notice that the incubation seems broken
? @PercyLucid: but it is not
? @PercyLucid: incubating a whole dream would be too much (and that would be more of daydreaming, that we will talk later)
? @PercyLucid: you want to incubate the very first scenario and the start of the dream
? @PercyLucid: in this case, finding yourself at night, looking at the marvelous sky, turning lucid and starting your flight
? @PercyLucid: from there, you and your dream will decide what to do next
? @PercyLucid: there are several ways to incubate a lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: I am good with vision and feeling, and terrible with hearing
? @PercyLucid: so you must find out what sense helps you the most
? @PercyLucid: in order to work properly
? @PercyLucid: you must really get into it
: * JP ¦ has a question
? @PercyLucid: you must really try to feel, see, smell, hear or taste the dream as much as possible
? @PercyLucid: Thanks to the Daily residue (I will explain now) this technique works
? @PercyLucid: go ahead JP
: JP : Lets say I am very familiar with a beach setting
? @PercyLucid: (one line, please)
: JP : I am very good at hearing the waves and birds and feeling the sand, would it be better to start there and then go to my desired location?
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? @PercyLucid: that will be excellent JP. As long as you can really use one or more of your senses, that is fine
? @PercyLucid: visualizing a static scenary is excellent as well
? @PercyLucid: however, you will need also to visualize you get excited (not too much, please) within the dream because you turned lucid (but never visualize how did you turned lucid)
? @PercyLucid: any more questions? Do not say "No" Just write your question and I will wait 30 seconds
? eduaaraujo : just to confirm, i incubate in bed, before i feel asleep, right?
stonedape : If i am always getting too excited and waking up, should I still visualize getting excited
* NoDaniel ¦ so, to visualize getting excited, i just say,"Oh im lucid, and i have a happy emotion."
? @PercyLucid: eduaaraujo: You want to incubate as much as possible, I will talk about it next
? * elemental135 ¦ I really like dancing, so when I'm deep into a daydream, I imagine myself dancing to feel more like I'm in the daydream rather than sitting in an uncomfortable chair. Would this be good for incubating dreams?
? @PercyLucid: stonedape: Just visualize getting happy. If you get too excited in the lucid dream, then visualize realizing you are lucid and you stay in the dream
? @PercyLucid: NoDaniel Yes. Visualize a happy emotion, but that is the least important part. The biggest important part is focus on the scenery itself
stonedape : I think I'll try visualizing calm satisfaction
? @PercyLucid: elemental135 That is good for daydream (will take about it in a while) but for dream incubation, it is good if you build a scenery
? @PercyLucid: it does not need to be very detailed, but you must make sure it is always the same scenery
? @PercyLucid: and the reason is due our Daily Residue
? @PercyLucid: For every thing that goes through your head, has a slight chance to be dreamt
? @PercyLucid: the reason is due Daily Residue
? @PercyLucid: I am sure most of you experience
? @PercyLucid: dreaming about work/school several nights... reason because we spent several hours on these places
? @PercyLucid: when you have a hard time, an awesome time, or something really important coming soon
? @PercyLucid: we will dream that easily
? @PercyLucid: because the more involved we are with something, the easier it gets to be dreamed
? @PercyLucid: someone told me he has no daily residue
? @PercyLucid: but that is wrong
? @PercyLucid: we all have daily residue, and we will need to work around it
? @PercyLucid: incubating dreams is a very important part
? @PercyLucid: as while we incubate the dream, we are awake and "downloading" information in your subconscious
? @PercyLucid: so we weill have a chance to dream our visualization
? @PercyLucid: we will*
? @PercyLucid: if dreaming what we have been visualizing, will make it a lot easier to turn lucid
? @PercyLucid: if we visualize the concert I talked before
? @PercyLucid: it is likely in the dream you will say, "This visualization is too real", or, "I was just imaging this, but now I am here... I have work/school tomorrow, I must be dreaming."
? @PercyLucid: and there you guy, you induced a lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: as per goals
? @PercyLucid: it also helps a lot
? @PercyLucid: becuase if your goal is to visit Ancient Egypt
? @PercyLucid: and you visualize turning lucid in your bedroom
? @PercyLucid: you might spawn in your bedroom and turn lucid
? @PercyLucid: but you still need dream control to get to Ancient Egypt
? @PercyLucid: and you might fail
? @PercyLucid: but if you incubate Ancient Egypt
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? @PercyLucid: it is likely you will spawn there
? @PercyLucid: and you will turn lucid right away in your "goal"
? @PercyLucid: and trust me
? @PercyLucid: this makes a whole new different at accomplishing goals
? @PercyLucid: as you have done half of the thing spawning in your target
? @PercyLucid: you can incubate during the day, there is always a good moment to incubate
? @PercyLucid: while you are driving, for example, you can visualize the dream (please, pay attention to the road too)
? @PercyLucid: if you are being driven, even better
? @PercyLucid: if you go with friends, you want to be with them, scapism is not good
? @PercyLucid: but you can always get a short break for a pee, a ciggarette, a drink, class to class, whatever
? @PercyLucid: those are the very best moments to incubate and daydream
? @PercyLucid: people with wild imagination will be better at this, but everybody can imagine and visualize something, so this is in reach to every one of you
? @PercyLucid: any questions so far?
: * Wallboy ¦ can we close our eyes to incubate?
stonedape : Is it a good idea to incubate dreams after meditation when the mind is clearer?
: mikeac : About daily residue. i always have dreams about school and friends, but my best friend almost never appears in my dreams. why is that?
? @PercyLucid: Wallboy: Yes, that works better for me actually, but if there is a moment you need your eyes open (driving) you can also incubate, even if your visualization is not as great, at least think of it to increase daily residue chances
bennerman : I tend to visualize the same scenes over and over, and none of them happen to occur in my dreams, why is this?
KidCrow : Does it matter how many times we incubate? Or the more the better?
stonedape : Also is it good to visualize in your current scenario, like what you would do right now if this was a dream?
? @PercyLucid: mikeac: daily residue works very randomly... I am sure you had dreams with your best friend at a total different place... Dream Characters are a lot less likely to spawn in the dream. The location is likely, but your mind will generate random DC. This happens to me also, like when I dream of work... the place is usually similar (not exact) but the co-workers are random, always
? @PercyLucid: bennerman: We have been talking about stuff over the IrC, there are some random issues that will screw daily residue. Other possibility is not visualizing properly, but I do not think that is your case, we will talk about it
bennerman : ah yes, those pesky "issues" ;P. alright, thanks
? @PercyLucid: KidCrow, the more, the better, the more you incubate, the greater are the chances to... whenever you do it really putting effort into it (btw... you need to create your workbook at http://www.dreamviews.com/f132/ I have not see it yet!)
? @PercyLucid: stonedape: no... mainly you want to visualize the start point... you can daydream the whole dream... but when you incubate, when you put as much mind as possible into it, you want to visualze the first scene only, will be easier for your mind and the chances will increase dramatically
? @PercyLucid: now it comes a new challange for before going to bed
? @PercyLucid: actually
? @PercyLucid: before FALLING asleep
? @PercyLucid: I need to warn this is a little hard and takes time, but please, do not stress yourself about it
? @PercyLucid: you will improve really fas
? @PercyLucid: fast
? @PercyLucid: but you will need to fight against your mind a little bit
? @PercyLucid: and what I am about to say, is something important
? @PercyLucid: you must do your very best
? @PercyLucid: to keep your imaginery in your mind when you fall asleep
? @PercyLucid: but do not stress too much about it or you will have a hard time to sleep
? @PercyLucid: I know when everybody (including me) goes to sleep, our minds start to go bersek
? @PercyLucid: and we think of a million things
? @PercyLucid: however, that is terrible for dream incubation
? @PercyLucid: as random thoughs will increase your daily residue pool and it will be even more random
? @PercyLucid: first you will need to be able to quiet your mind a little bit
? @PercyLucid: for lucid dreaming you do not need to have your mind totally silenced / blank
? @PercyLucid: in addition, for MILD you do not want that
? @PercyLucid: but you want your mind to be focused ONLY on your target scenery
? @PercyLucid: to do it, it is simple
? @PercyLucid: all it requires is to be patient
? @PercyLucid: and stubborn
? @PercyLucid: you will be fighting your own mind
? @PercyLucid: when you are in bed after mom's, wife, hubby, kids, dog, cat, etc... kiss
? @PercyLucid: when you are on your own, silenty in your bed
? @PercyLucid: the fight will start
? @PercyLucid: you will focus on the concert (I will use this example for the rest of the class)
? @PercyLucid: the first seconds, you might even hear the music, but then, a short time later, you will find yourself thinking about something random
? @PercyLucid: all you need to do is to go back to the concert
? @PercyLucid: as soon as you find your mind wandering, go back to the concert sceneario
? @PercyLucid: try to fight a little bit your mind and be a little stubborn
? @PercyLucid: but do not overdo it
? @PercyLucid: if you find yourself like 15-20 minutes passed (or too many attempts)
? @PercyLucid: forget about it and just fall asleep
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? @PercyLucid: you do not want to make this a bad experience, so do not push yourself too much
? @PercyLucid: be persistent, but after that time, just tell yourself you will do better tomorrow and end the session (fall asleep)
? @PercyLucid: I have a persona technique that will help
? @PercyLucid: our mind needs its moment (bersek time) so we will give a little bit of pleasure to our mind
? @PercyLucid: I call it the Chest Technique (the treasure chest, not our chest xD)
? @PercyLucid: this will take a few minutes to do
? @PercyLucid: when you are on your own, ready to fall asleep
? @PercyLucid: visualize a chest (does not matter if it is wooden, iron, nor even the shape)
? @PercyLucid: just make sure it can close shut with a key
? @PercyLucid: that might sound silly, but it works for our subconscious more than you think
? @PercyLucid: once your chest is in front of you (or actually, on you, as you will be in bed already)
? @PercyLucid: start recalling your entire day
? @PercyLucid: your mind needs that, so give it the time
? @PercyLucid: recall the first though, lets say, that car that almost hit you on the freeway
? @PercyLucid: recall the entire scenerio, enterely with much detail as possible
? @PercyLucid: once you are done, breath deep and visualize the though as a bubble going to the chest
? @PercyLucid: repeat with more thoughs
? @PercyLucid: if you are really tired
? @PercyLucid: give priority to major thoughs (exams, pathner, discussion with friend, etc)
? @PercyLucid: once you put all your thoughs in the chest
? @PercyLucid: visualize the chest closing up
? @PercyLucid: and then a key locking it up
? @PercyLucid: all you need to do now is to make the chest vanish
? @PercyLucid: and asume your thoughts are gone with the chest
? @PercyLucid: then place your incubation image and fight a little with your mind with random thoughs
? @PercyLucid: of course, they will come, but the chest technique decreases those thoughs, specially after a few days
? @PercyLucid: after a few weeks
? @PercyLucid: the chest technique will dramatically reduce your random thoughs, and the remaining ones will be fought easier
? @PercyLucid: any questions so far?
* Amity ¦ asks: If your mind hasn't wandered by the time it reaches the realization that you're dreaming, do you repeat it from the start again?
* Amity ¦ asks (when you're still awake, during incubation I mean.)
? @PercyLucid: Amity, yes, you always want to have that scenerio in your head. When trying to fall asleep, it is not as important to visualize the entire incubation process, in fact, if you can keep one static image, sound, taste, feeling or imagenery, even better... you incubated a lot, so all you want to do is to keep the static image specially if you wake up in the middle of the night
: * Wallboy ¦ i find that when I meditate for 5-10 minutes before bed, it helps keep those "beserk" thoughts to a mininum. Also I like you chest technique and use a similar technique to help clear my mind from those "beserk" moments. I visualize a chalk board and all those random thoughts as a piece of chalk on that board writing down those thoughts really quickly. I then visualize myself erasing those thoughts from the board. Also do we keep repeating th
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? @PercyLucid: awesome Wallboy, that is excellent. Meditation does help a lot, that will be covered next class
? @PercyLucid: now
* NoDaniel ¦ yes..yes it does
? @PercyLucid: go ahead and tell me your dream goals (one line please) - be honest
? @PercyLucid: also, next to them, the amont of lucids you had
? @PercyLucid: and how good or bad with dream control you are
? @PercyLucid: go ahead
NoDaniel : Lucids: 0 make my own dream world, make/find dream character, ride a motorcycle, become leader of my dream world. Dream Control: Unknown
: JP : My dream goal is to fly to my grandfathers house, I have had around 53 lucid dreams, my dream control is good but could be better.
: mikeac : one of my goals is to complete the LPTC secondary task. my personal goal is flying to the dark side of the moon. 35 lucids.
NoDaniel : JP: Dang man, that's awesome!
: Shadowmilo : To fly, fire bend, sexual relationship, talk to DG. - 10, and im decent with dream control. I semi lucid most nights, i think i can control decently, above average.
: Wallboy : my dream goal would be, well first to become lucid. And when I'm lucid try to see how real everything is with my senses. I've had about 5 lucid dreams and had really good control with them
bennerman : Fight my dream fears, slice a mountain in half with the masamune, win a hard swordfight, and complete the last 3 in a single dream. I have had 4 lucid dreams
Amity : My lucid dream goals are 1. draw a wormhole with my finger and see where it leads. 2. pull the moon to earth, using a lasso. My dream control is pretty good, although not as good as it used to be. I have had hundreds of lucids since 2007 but only 5 this year. None since yoru last class.
? eduaaraujo : i dont know how i should phrase my dream goal... didnt think about it... let me try: had 3 lucids and had good control on them... maybe my goal would be ask questions i face at work, relationships, etc.
stonedape : Pull a metal cigarette case out of my pocket filled with doobies and smoke one. I want to use the sensation of smoking to root me in the dream and keep focused. about 10 LDs since the class started Total maybe 70-100 over 5 years, lots of dry spells tho
: mikeac : oh and my dream control is usually average. flight is easy, I can summon, and occasionally i can control elements like air and water.
? @PercyLucid: OK
: Shadowmilo : lol
? @PercyLucid: well, some of those goals are terrible sorry!!!
? @PercyLucid: not suitable
? elemental135 : dream goals right now are meet dream guide and make out with hot guy... you did say be honest. I've had about 22 lucids since joining i think. I can be pretty good at dream control, in the past I've been able to just point at things and tell them what to do, but lately I've been having trouble.
stonedape : bad with DC lately
? @PercyLucid: I told you NoDaniel riding a bike is an excellent goal but
NoDaniel : PercyLucid: Yes i know, im just putting them out there
? @PercyLucid: creating a whole world... is hard even for me, that I had thousands of lucid dreams since I was a kid
? @PercyLucid: what I want to say
? @PercyLucid: is to put a goal you think you can accomplish
? @PercyLucid: setting goals is something excellent whle working on LD
? @PercyLucid: without goals, there is no motivation
? @PercyLucid: and without motivation, there is no progress
? @PercyLucid: however, not reaching your goal will make your subconscious frustrated
? @PercyLucid: you need some success for improvement
? @PercyLucid: that is crucial
? @PercyLucid: Wallboy's is a great goal
? @PercyLucid: for first time lucid dreamers
? @PercyLucid: goals should be like that
? @PercyLucid: increasing quality of the dream, etc
? @PercyLucid: or lets say, some basic technique
? @PercyLucid: such as flying
? @PercyLucid: we all love to fly
? @PercyLucid: so setting your goal to have a small flight is a good one for starting
? @PercyLucid: other good goals is to hit a DC, to talk with a DC, to feel scenery object (water, stones, grass, etc)
? @PercyLucid: goals of stuff that can be done in waking life (pick up something from the floor, talk with someone, etc) are excellent goals
? @PercyLucid: they will make your progress steady and more strong
? @PercyLucid: you cannot have a full Dragon Ball fight with Frieza and win
: JP : lol
? @PercyLucid: if you do not even know how to fly or make your dream stable
? @PercyLucid: you need to set progessive goals
? @PercyLucid: talking with your dream guide, is not a basic goal
? @PercyLucid: having a long conversation in a dream is actually advanced
? @PercyLucid: as if you stop moving your eyes in the dream (talking with someone for example) you will end your REM and wake up
: Shadowmilo : I think i can achieve it.
: Shadowmilo : I look around when ever i talk, i never really keep eye contact anyway.
? @PercyLucid: so for that, you need your dream to be more stable, and get used to the dreamworld feeling, knowing when you are going to wake up etc... moving your eyes around, moving your head is the best you can do... it is not polite... but the DC will not care, it is a dream
? @PercyLucid: after setting a goal, you also need to set a reward
? @PercyLucid: rewards is what pay off the most and pushes us to the limits
? @PercyLucid: the ToTMs are great for that (NOT for first timer LDers)
? @PercyLucid: you have a reward, (the wings)
? @PercyLucid: and the good feeling of posting at DV with our wings
? @PercyLucid: we all love to show off and show how cool we are accomplishing the wings... and this is true for everybody...
? @PercyLucid: and this is the next step I wanted to get
? @PercyLucid: there is a way to increase dramatically the chances of accomplishing your goal
? @PercyLucid: and it is too really be assured you will archive the goal
? @PercyLucid: to really state you will accomplish it, believing it
? @PercyLucid: this might be a little hard, specially for newtimers
? @PercyLucid: but our minds are strong
? @PercyLucid: and there are a few tricks that will work
? @PercyLucid: I would recommend
? @PercyLucid: once you visualized your dream scenery (incubation)
? @PercyLucid: tell to your self, "I am going to dream this!"
? @PercyLucid: but do not just say it
? @PercyLucid: feel it!!!!
? @PercyLucid: enjoy it!!!
* bennerman ¦ raises his paw (related comment, not a question)
? @PercyLucid: associate a good though with the end of your incation
: Shadowmilo : Convincing yourself you can do something is not easythough.
? @PercyLucid: incubation
? @PercyLucid: (shhh)
NoDaniel : Shadomilo: he said that
? @PercyLucid: while you say to your self, "I will dream this" try to find yourself smiling, physicall and emotionally involved
? @PercyLucid: Saying "Convincing yourself you can do something is not easythough." is the WORST you can do
? @PercyLucid: you are assuring that you will never accomplish your goal
? @PercyLucid: and doom yourself
? @PercyLucid: this is the reason you will need to find a suitable goal
? @PercyLucid: something you can believe you can do (but a little challanging as well)
? @PercyLucid: if you get involved Physically you increas the chances
? @PercyLucid: and you can trick your mind to induce excitement about it
? @PercyLucid: and you can edd up being excited about accomplishing your goal
? @PercyLucid: before even starting
? @PercyLucid: I am sure if someone listens to music
? @PercyLucid: he or she ends up moving a finger, a leg, the head, some sort of dancing
? @PercyLucid: there is a trigger in our mind that will induce us feelings and involement
? @PercyLucid: involvement
? @PercyLucid: and this is where the celebration comes into play
? @PercyLucid: well you tell to yourself
? @PercyLucid: "I will dream this" and you focus on the reward "I will be able to show off my wings... yay!!!!!!!!" feel exited about your goal
? @PercyLucid: visualize yourself login into DV, posting your dream on the ToTM thread
? @PercyLucid: getting your wings
? @PercyLucid: I am sure most of you visualized yourself with the wings (and some us you even have them)
? @PercyLucid: after a while visualizing this
? @PercyLucid: you will find yourself smiling and your heart pounding
? @PercyLucid: from here, the sky is the limit
? @PercyLucid: specially if you are alone
? @PercyLucid: with what I said, you will be somewhat excited, happy and probably smiling
? @PercyLucid: if you are alone you can spike these feelings with physical involvement
? @PercyLucid: such as rasing an arm and saying, "Yes!!! I got the wings!!! Yes!!! What an awesome dream!!! Yaaaaaay!!!"
? @PercyLucid: You can even sign it out loud
? @PercyLucid: if you spike your excitement
? @PercyLucid: the chances of dreaming it will increase it a lot
? @PercyLucid: as I said before, a hard feeling either good or bad gets a whole lot easier to be dreamt
? @PercyLucid: so if you turn your incubation into a strong and good feeling, it will be in the head of the line to be dreamt
? @PercyLucid: in addition
? @PercyLucid: you will induce good feelings to your self (smile, excitement) which helps with strees, depression, woes, etc
? @PercyLucid: so you are doing also something good to your heath
? @PercyLucid: I am sure some of you think I am nuts and this makes no sense
? @PercyLucid: well, it does
? @PercyLucid: I did this myself
stonedape : tis true
? @PercyLucid: I almost ended up lmao, really excited, with my heart pounding and feeling like jumping (and jumped occasionally)
? @PercyLucid: and had the lucid I desider
? @PercyLucid: desired
? @PercyLucid: however, if you want to get to this point,
? @PercyLucid: you should be alone or people will think you are nuts
? @PercyLucid: however
? @PercyLucid: in moments of excitement
? @PercyLucid: you can take advantadge of them
? @PercyLucid: and add the dream part to the celebration
? @PercyLucid: lets say your best friend is going to blow up the candles from his or her b-day cake
? @PercyLucid: she or he does and you all jump in excitement
? @PercyLucid: while you are exciting shouting
? @PercyLucid: "Yeah (friend's name) happy b-day!!! You are 16 now!!! Yay!!!!"
? @PercyLucid: "Also tell to your inner self "and I am going to dream this and gets those awesome wings"
bennerman : XD
? @PercyLucid: if the chatter is extremely lound
? @PercyLucid: you can shot it out loud and no one will notice, if they do they will say, "what??" and you wll start to laugh and they will forget about it
? @PercyLucid: this is very important, and negative thoughs and stating it can't be done, will kill the technique
? @PercyLucid: having several dream incubations during the same, some of them with physical involment
? @PercyLucid: and being able to silence a little bit your mind while falling asleep
? @PercyLucid: is almost a first class seat on the flight of lucidity
? @PercyLucid: it is very likely to work
? @PercyLucid: so being possitive and telling youself, you WILL do it, is a must
? @PercyLucid: if you realize
? @PercyLucid: this technique is more than a regular MILD. It is a set of actions and thoughts that work along, and will make it work almost perfectly
? @PercyLucid: quieting mind, being positive, incubate dreams (daily residue), involving feelings (spiking residue chances) setting a suitable goal and celebrating you will complete it (spiking even more the daiy residue chances)
? @PercyLucid: all of this works with a machine, that almost serves a lucid dream at will
? @PercyLucid: and there is no loss of sleep, no alarms, nothing
? @PercyLucid: all with your mind and a bit of possitivism
? @PercyLucid: now, it is time for questions, I know it has been a lot in a row, but it needed to be that way
* Amity ¦ asks: Percy, what do you excite yourself with for the rest of the month, after you get your wings? What are some other examples of rewards for yourself?
? @PercyLucid: Amity, well, the wings were an example, in fact, I said that ToTM are not good for first timers, so that is more up to you
? @PercyLucid: if there is nothing phsysical
* bennerman ¦ asks "would treating yourself to icecream or something be a good reward?"
? @PercyLucid: such as wings, focus on feelings... focus on how good will you feel once you wake up
stonedape : ice cream for breakfast! YES!
? @PercyLucid: and how excited will you be for people to read your awesome dream
NoDaniel : Percylucid:
NoDaniel : oops sry
NoDaniel : (ill ask at the q/a page)
: * Wallboy ¦ are we to continue with our mantras while falling asleep visualizing our incubated scenery?
? @PercyLucid: bennerman: if you regularly have ice-creams, then no... but if you love a place to eat but you cannot afford to go like every week, save some $$$ and swear to yourself that you will ONLY go if you accomplish your goal, but then you will need to commit yourself in not going unless you complete your dream goal, otherwise, you will ruin your goal-reward feelings and it will get harder and harder
? @PercyLucid: NoDaniel go ahead
? @PercyLucid: Wallboy: Yes
? @PercyLucid: However
? @PercyLucid: I want you to use from now this mantra
? @PercyLucid: "I will lucid dream tonight or very soon"
? @PercyLucid: if you LD frequently
NoDaniel : PercyLucid: Too late, its already on the q/a
? @PercyLucid: say, "I will hit my goal tonight or very soon"
? @PercyLucid: this should be chanted like a spell, if you change the order or the words, won't work
? @PercyLucid: the reason is a retroactive mantra
stonedape : should we just say goal, or say what the goal is?
: mikeac : Sorry to interrupt, but as a response to bennerman's question... food in dreams are delicious rewards, and some creative or made-up can give you powers. If you aren't willing to pay for food rewards IRL, then get them in your dream.
stonedape : nevermind
? @PercyLucid: "I will lucid dream tonight" forces you to lucid dream that very night
? @PercyLucid: if you fail, (it is a very aggressive goal)
? @PercyLucid: you will not feel pissed because, "or very soon"
? @PercyLucid: you want to set an inmediate time to accomplish the goal, otherwise, your subconscious will take it easy
? @PercyLucid: but you do not want to fail your goal either
? @PercyLucid: so every night you are forcing yourself to lucid dream today, but relieve yourself if you fail and lucid dream very soon
? @PercyLucid: and this starts over gain
? @PercyLucid: every single day
? @PercyLucid: you can say your goal, whenever is not too long
? @PercyLucid: but "I will ___________ tonight or very soon"
? @PercyLucid: must be chanted in that order
? @PercyLucid: and said in one breath
? @PercyLucid: "I will talk with my dram guide tonight or very soon" is OK
? @PercyLucid: something longer better not
? @PercyLucid: however
? @PercyLucid: if you have frequent lucid dreams
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? @PercyLucid: it will get easier for you
? @PercyLucid: to accomplish your goals
? @PercyLucid: so unless you lucid dream every single night
? @PercyLucid: stick with "I will lucid dream tonight or very soon"
? @PercyLucid: mikeac: that is not a good idea, some people can't taste in dreams or food will taste different than it looks
? @PercyLucid: he will need to set a reward for waking
? @PercyLucid: any more questions before I set your Task for this week?
* NoDaniel ¦ can u see the q/a after class?
* NoDaniel ¦ or anytime tomorrow is fine
? * elemental135 ¦ about how much longer? I'm tired but if class is near over I'll stay.
? @PercyLucid: OK. We will do q/a threat them
? @PercyLucid: you have been great guys, so I had time to reply
? @PercyLucid: OK
? @PercyLucid: so now
NoDaniel : yay
? @PercyLucid: I am going to set a lucid goal for this next week
? @PercyLucid: I assume you all like music
? @PercyLucid: of some sort
? @PercyLucid: so I want you have a lucid dream were you are in a concert (does not matter where) and you jump, sing or fly.
? @PercyLucid: so you will need to be in the concert and do something
? @PercyLucid: of course, you must be lucid
? @PercyLucid: and I have something cool for those who accomplish this
NoDaniel : (hooray i love music )
? @PercyLucid: so, obliterate ALL your goals for this week, please
stonedape : wait, something or jump sing or fly? Can I play guitar?
? @PercyLucid: and focus only on this one (PM if you really do not like it)
bennerman : (Sweet, I can't see POTF in concert here )
? @PercyLucid: yes, any action is fine,but you must be in a concert
stonedape : cool
NoDaniel : (yay, i can see No Doubt)
? @PercyLucid: this will make you work on dream incubation
? @PercyLucid: (the concert itself)
? @PercyLucid: and minimum to none dream control (moving or doing somethig to get you a little involved on the dream)
stonedape : munaf, you are getting kicked out of explosions in the sky tonight and I am taking your place
? @PercyLucid: once you complete this, I have somethingelse for you
? @PercyLucid: also, I want to see your progress on your workbooks
? @PercyLucid: how are you doing, etc
? @PercyLucid: Also dream incubation (thoughts during waking and before sleep, excitement of truly believing the tasks is completed before actually completing it, etc)
? @PercyLucid: should be recorded
? @PercyLucid: that is a must so I can help you out giving tips and feedback
? @PercyLucid: and with this, I am all done
? @PercyLucid: for class #2
Amity : Thanks for your time!
: Telemachus : ^^
bennerman : ^.^
: mikeac : Thank you so much! ^_^
: Wallboy : Thanks
? Mcdreamy : When are u able to put the log up? I just got here
NoDaniel : Thanks for being a great professor
? eduaaraujo : this was a really good class, thanks a lot
NoDaniel : I have alreay been 50% successful with incubation =D
? @PercyLucid: I will put it right now
: Shadowmilo : Percy, is it ok if i say i wanan get a different task, cause ive never been or heard a concert and i hae no diea what they are like, so its very hard for me to imagine being at one....
? Mcdreamy : okay, thank you
? @PercyLucid: you can leave the channel now, and post q/a as much as you need
bennerman : ciao :3
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? @PercyLucid: Shadowmilo send me PM on DV
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NoDaniel : Shadomilo:
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: Telemachus : My concert is slightly weird... should be an interesting dream if I can get there.
: Telemachus : Thanks for your time PercyLucid
NoDaniel : Just go to youtube, and search your favorite singer live, and listen to the crowd, the music and try to smell like popcorn and hot dogs
? elemental135 : Thanks ^-^ very interesting. Not sure how well I'll do with the mantra bit, but I'm excited. Nice job Percy, and goodnight all.
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: mikeac : Adios amigos.
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: JP : Thanks Percy
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? eduaaraujo : Percy, is it a good idea to feel asleep listening to some music to help to create the concert scenario?
? @PercyLucid: sure
? @PercyLucid: leave the channel please, so I can create the log!
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? @PercyLucid: bye now
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? @PercyLucid: !stats
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? @PercyLucid: !top10

Spoiler for Previous week analysis:

Another very decent week. I like to see you guys reading and commenting each other workbooks. You can build some nice friendship this way and learn from each other. Some people dropped a little on their workbooks. Just try to update it us much as possible to get the maximum feedback from me. If you lack time, I prefer you to write your exercises rather than your non lucid dreams. Better if you can do both. However, overall, great job, I am happy.

Spoiler for Notes for Class #3:

Great class. Everybody participated in class and behaved properly. Thanks guys!!! I want to note, I saw one student who I will not name, at the #DV channel and not in class. This will not be good for your progress as an oneironaut nor as a user of DV who joined a class taking the spot from other people who is interested. Remember, karma rewards or punishes everybody! Anyway, thanks again! The class was excellent!

Spoiler for Class 3:

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? @PercyLucid: Hi all
NoDaniel : Ello
? @PercyLucid: Let's get started
? @PercyLucid: I want to say thanks for last class, it went great!
? @PercyLucid: and you all have made a pretty good process on your workbooks
? @PercyLucid: how did you guys felt during this week, doing the chest technique and the incubation (one line, please)
: JP : Both have worked fabulously for me
bennerman : overall, my dreaming went downhill, not much to say besides that, and it ain't related to the chest technique or incubation
Amity : Chest technique helped incredibly. Struggled with incubation to start with but succeeded at last!
? Mcdreamy : I have trouble visualizing a chest..I can't see it
: Wallboy : good, got pretty close to dreaming about the concert
NoDaniel : Struggling with incubation becoming successful, but chest technique is awesome
: Telemachus : It was difficult getting through the chest technique... didn't know how to summarize my day effectively.. but still worked out great.
? @PercyLucid: well
? @PercyLucid: as long as you decrease your mind chatter
? @PercyLucid: it is well done
? @PercyLucid: so, we are going to talk today about a few thing
? Lunataur : I still feel I can't LD and I feel Im falling behind in class
? @PercyLucid: it will not be intense as previous class, but it has some good stuff too
? @PercyLucid: Lunataur: Update more often your workbook, so I can give you adivce, that is crucial!
? Lunataur : Okay.
? @PercyLucid: So, I am sure you all know what WTBT means, right?
? Mcdreamy : WBTB? yeah
: * JP ¦ nods
bennerman : Wake, Back To Bed?
NoDaniel : Yup
: Wallboy : ya
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: Telemachus : Yes
bennerman : javohl
? @PercyLucid: I want to do a small exercise right now. Tell me in one line, how your WBTB is. This is not a WBTB class, but WBTB is an awesome moment to spike your MILD work out and increase dramatically your chances to LD
NoDaniel : I never tried it.......
? Mcdreamy : I wake up from a dream, write it out, and start incubating/mantra
? Lunataur : Well my WBTB is easy for me.. once I wake.. I can close my eyes and fall back to sleep within 2 mins... but I still can't LD
NoDaniel : same as luna
: JP : I will wake up around 4 AM use the bathroom and go back to sleep while I chant mantras and plan my dream
: mikeac : i usually write down my dreams, sometimes i get up to pee
: Wallboy : the lucid dreams that I have had in my life were because of WBTB
: Telemachus : Wake up, walk around, think about dreaming, fall asleep.
bennerman : I wake up about 5 hours after going to bed, try to do WILD, give up, go to bed and hope for a DILD
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Amity : I usually write notes on my dreams, think about LDing and do RCs. Think about what I want to dream about & get excited for a LD.
? @PercyLucid: OK... some are good, some could improve
? @PercyLucid: Now, I am going to share my typical WBTB with you all, it works pretty decent and it basically covers all the requirements
? @PercyLucid: usually, the WBTB technique
? @PercyLucid: requires you to stay up 30 minutes up to 90 minutes
? @PercyLucid: but that is super inconvenient
? @PercyLucid: and I am not a big fan of that, in fact, I am trying to reducide loss of sleep on the WBTB technique with the way I use it
? @PercyLucid: so you wont need to waste sleep time on WBTB
? @PercyLucid: and you can WBTB every single night, loosing from 5 to 15 minutes of sleep (maybe more, depending on your dreams)
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? @PercyLucid: so, here goes how I do my WBTB
? @PercyLucid: I will explain it point by point after sharing
? @PercyLucid: it will take a couple minutes, so do not think I crushed
? @PercyLucid: I wake up, most of the time with echoes from my last dream. I try to not move in bed but keep my eyes open. I focus ONLY on the last dream I had in order to recall it, I try to recall those fragments that I feel they are easy to be forggoten. (2 mins) After this, I go to my journal (it is not by my bed, and it works better for me that way) and I sit down, I write all the keywords from my dream, conversations I had, feelings and such
? @PercyLucid: then
? @PercyLucid: I always go to the toilet to try to pee and to keep focused on my previous dream. If I did not recall any dream, I sit in the toiled for about five minutes trying to recall the dream, usually it comes back to your mind, more than you imagine. If I recalled most of my dream, I still concentrate a couple more of minutes for the previous dream. Most of the times, something comes back
? @PercyLucid: then
? @PercyLucid: I go back to my journal, sit in front of it and try to add additional information about previous dream, if there is no more information to add, I focus on my next dream and I perform a COMPLETE dream incubation. With complete I mean, I daydream the entire dream. What we do during a WBTB is very possible to be dreamed, I am sure this happened to you more than once
? @PercyLucid: then
? @PercyLucid: After I incubate the entire dream, I drink some water, lay down in bed on my back with my eyes open. Here I do not intent to fall back asleep. What I do here, is to incubate the dream once more (not entirely, just the first scenery) I also focus on the mantra I shared last class. There is no need to raise your excitement about accomplishing your goal, you can do it, but not too much, as you do not want to get very awake
? @PercyLucid: then
? @PercyLucid: After five minutes focused on your mantra and having a lucid dream, you visualize the scenary of your target dream, and try to fall asleep as soon as possible. You will be sleepy and tired, so the chances of failling asleeep with the dream scenery as last though in mind, it is huge
? @PercyLucid: Now, I will say what not to do during the WBTB
? @PercyLucid: the chest technique
? @PercyLucid: do not even do it on a WBTB
? @PercyLucid: it is possible that you will wake up with dream-related thoughts only and if you keep focused on dreams, it is possible that you will not even have waking thoughs
? @PercyLucid: it is possible that some vagrant thoughs will show up during your WBTB, but it is way easier to ignore these thoughs
? @PercyLucid: it such though shows up, just go back to dream-related thoughts and it will probably be gone
? @PercyLucid: this is important, do not allow one though to stay for too long in your mind, or you will screw the processs (you will get flooded with waking thoughs)
? @PercyLucid: however
? @PercyLucid: even if you get to that point, go to bed and do your best to think only on dreams, do not recall waking thoughs
? @PercyLucid: the less waking memories you experience during WBTB, the better
? @PercyLucid: this is my best WBTB that works with school and work schedules
? @PercyLucid: I know there are several ways to WBTB such reading LD books, DV, etc... but this is not the class for WBTB, so I am just sharing the best way to WBTB when working on MILD
? @PercyLucid: any questions up to here? Ask them in a single line or write them down for the Q&A thread
* NoDaniel ¦ asks, the mantra, what was it again?
stonedape : I might have just missed this, but how long do you sleep before you wbtb
? Lunataur : Well.......what do you think is the cause for people not being able to dream on a regular basis
? @PercyLucid: NoDaniel the mantra is : "I will have a lucid dream tonight or very soon."
NoDaniel : thanks
bennerman : I find that however long I stay up during a WBTB, it takes almost 3 times as long to get back to sleep, does it really have to be so time consuming? (as sad as it is, 10 minutes is time consuming in this situation)
? @PercyLucid: stonedape: That is right, I actually missed it. I always wake myself up naturally. I hate alarm clocks because they screw REMs up. You need to work on waking yourself up after REMS. If this is impossible, then set your clock for 4-5 hours after sleeping
stonedape : I usually do it naturally as well, just wondering what your process was
? @PercyLucid: Lunataur: All people dream... all. If people claim they do not dream, is a recall issue... but you have 7-8 dreams every sinngle night
? Lunataur : Because I feel I sleep in complete darkness and I am not able to dream.. thats why my workbook is blank
? @PercyLucid: bennerman: Well, you will need to addapt it as it works for you. My WBTBs are very brief yet complete... can't skrink it more. If you cannot do 10 minutes, then just go first to your journal, write key works, go to restroom, drink some water, additional keywords if necessary and focus on the dream scenery (skip incubation) and try to fall asleep right away
? @PercyLucid: it will not work as good, but is better than nothing
bennerman : really hope these gems help
? @PercyLucid: Lunataur: The workbook was all not about posting dreams, but i have no idea how you are incubating, focused, etc because you neither shared that. Just write down that in your workbook, any feelings, etc... that way I can help you out
? Lunataur : ok..
? @PercyLucid: I need you to post what are you doing, how are you feeling, how are you incubating, and for today, how WBTB and meditation that I will talk now
? @PercyLucid: I said if there is no recall, at least write it on your workbook, how do you feel, etc, so I know you are trying and I can attempt to help
? @PercyLucid: bennerman: lapis lazuli opens your third eye, so that one will help a little bit with dreams... whenever is charged of course
? @PercyLucid: any more questions for WBTB?
? @PercyLucid: (Tiger's eye and hemite also help)
? @PercyLucid: hemitite
? Lunataur : whats that?
? @PercyLucid: gems, energy stones
? @PercyLucid: OK, so WBTB is cool then
? Lunataur : ah
? @PercyLucid: how about meditation
? Lunataur : With Meditation.. I feel I can't get myself relaxed enough or focused enough
? @PercyLucid: how many of you meditate? Briefly in one line share how do you meditate
bennerman : Percy: since you already know this, I really don't need to say anything, right?
? @PercyLucid: bennerman, yes, you are good
Amity : I've never looked into meditating except for some relaxation music / ambient tracks. Would love to learn!
stonedape : zazen, open eyed meditation, I sit in half lotus and focus on my breathing for 20 minutes
: Wallboy : i do simple breathing meditation for 10-15 minutes most days
? Lunataur : With Meditation.. I use a pillow, sit in the middle of my floor... and listen to slow piano music while I try to focus myself
? Mcdreamy : I sit with my back strait, and focus on the feel of my breathing, and try not to think of anything else..dont do it much tho
: JP : I use stress relaxation methods and vizualtion, I pretend I am somewhere peaceful and I try to imagine my surroundings.
NoDaniel : I go to youtube, and type in Guided meditation, which is a body scan and i tell myself "soft" or "let go" to certain parts of my body for about 7-10 minutes. (btw i listen to the guided meditation thingy)
: mikeac : i count down from 99 with each deep breath, knowing that each breath will relax me deeper. when i finish i fall asleep or think about important stuff
? @PercyLucid: very decent and very good most of those meditations
? @PercyLucid: meditation is something a little hard to evaluate remotely, but I can share what is the best to do during it
? @PercyLucid: a lot of people know how to meditate, but they do it incorreclty
? @PercyLucid: while you meditate, your mind is likely to go berserk, if this happens, you are wasting your time
? Lunataur : "beserk"?
? @PercyLucid: berserk
? @PercyLucid: not all meditations are appropiate for everything
? @PercyLucid: body relaxation meditation is excellent if you intend to fall into deeper states of minds or fall asleep faster
? @PercyLucid: but other meditations are better to enhance lucid dreaming
? @PercyLucid: what is important
? @PercyLucid: is to meditate, we all need to, and it provideds not only dreamwise benefits, but your entire health will get a benefit of it
? @PercyLucid: I personally love the breathing meditation
? @PercyLucid: it is one of the easiest and best working meditations
? @PercyLucid: and I will share it right now
? @PercyLucid: first of all
? @PercyLucid: you want to avoid to meditate in bed or in a place you spend several hours of the day (such a sofa or your office chair)
? @PercyLucid: but specially in bed. If this is not possible... no problem... I recently bought a reclining chair for my astral travels and meditation, but before, I had no more choice to use my bed
? @PercyLucid: so if you have no other choice, the bed is OK, but avoid it at all costs
? Lunataur : using a pillow in the middle of the floor, Okay?, PercyLucid?
? @PercyLucid: sitting down in comfortable hard backed chair is good
? @PercyLucid: or sitting down with a pillow in the middle of the floor, if you are comfortable
? @PercyLucid: now, this is how I personally do it
? @PercyLucid: After seating down, I close my eyes and take a very deep breath, filling first my longs then my stomach
? @PercyLucid: I hold the air for good five seconds and release... while I release the air, I let go my own body... I focus on feeling weak and falling deeper into my chair/bed/pillow/sofa
? @PercyLucid: then, I focus on breathing normally
? @PercyLucid: but all my focus will be on my breathing itself (called breathing awareness)
? @PercyLucid: when I inhale
? @PercyLucid: I feel the air entering my nose, my lungs filling and my belly growing
? @PercyLucid: you do not need to take deep breaths, just breath as your body requests
? @PercyLucid: when exhaling, I focus on the air leaving my body and cleansing
? @PercyLucid: for those who are good visualizing
? @PercyLucid: you can focus on a green shinny cloud entering your nose and your body
? @PercyLucid: and when you exhale, you can focus on expunging a dark cloud, on that cloud all your woes and thoughs are leaving from your body
? @PercyLucid: in order for More (green shinny cloud) enter your body
? @PercyLucid: you can do this until you feel yourself more relaxed and more in comunion with your oneself
? @PercyLucid: then
? @PercyLucid: as we are intenting to increase your LDs
? @PercyLucid: once you are deeply relaxed, you want to incubate the whole dream
? @PercyLucid: usually this is not proper when meditating
? @PercyLucid: as meditation is emptying your mind, but if we take advantadge of being in a more deeper self
? @PercyLucid: we can decrease a little bit the effectiviness of your meditation sesion in order to increase our chances to LD our targetted dream
? @PercyLucid: when we are very relaxed, we get closer to our subconscious, so doing this, we are asking our subconscious for help to LD
? @PercyLucid: and it is easier for our subconscious to asnwer our call
? @PercyLucid: So, to make the long story short
? @PercyLucid: Meditation should be part of our lifes for its multiple physical, psychic and spiritual benefits
? @PercyLucid: practicing breathing meditation helps a lot to improve mind silencing, which will help us also after we doing our chest technique (before falling asleep)
? @PercyLucid: and the time we are meditating
? @PercyLucid: we are in a more deeper self, using it to increase the effectiviness of our dream incubation
? @PercyLucid: so
? @PercyLucid: questions so far?
NoDaniel : when we visualize the cloud, do we do it in first person, or does it not matter?
: * Wallboy ¦ is there any set amount of time we should be meditating for?
* Retrieving #DVA modes...
? Mcdreamy : Im kindof confused about the order we do everything in, but prolly better for the q&a thread
? @PercyLucid: NoDaniel, better first person. We are trying to focus on our breathing, so it should be first person. visualize the cloud in fron of you, entering your nose (green one) and the black cloud, exiting your nose
? @PercyLucid: Mcdreamy, yes, better post it there!
? @PercyLucid: Wallboy: no, that is up to your time and how soon you can get in a deeper state of mind. You do not want to get bored nor to rush it
? @PercyLucid: the ideal
? @PercyLucid: would be around 10-15 minutes daily
? @PercyLucid: that makes a huge difference from 0 meditating
Amity : Just once in a day?
? @PercyLucid: just avoid meditating right before going to sleep
NoDaniel : why shouldnt we meditate before bed?
? @PercyLucid: just once a day will do wonders, but if you can do it in the morning and the evening, even better... but life is too busy
? @PercyLucid: NoDaniel for the same reason we do not want to meditate in bed. We do not want our subconscious to confuse meditation with sleeping
? @PercyLucid: sleeping time is that, sleeping time
? Lunataur : ah.....
? @PercyLucid: meditation, is time to meditate, not to fall asleep... in facr, if you feel too sleepy while meditating, end the sesion at once
? @PercyLucid: and meditate when you are not tired
NoDaniel : Oh.......... thats why i havent LDed... i was meditating RIGHT b4 bed D-
NoDaniel : D:
? Mcdreamy : me too
? @PercyLucid: well, meditating does not direclty influence LD... all was explained on class #2 does the major work
? @PercyLucid: but meditating does increase chances and provides several benefits
? @PercyLucid: so, this is all the stuff for class #3 (as I said, class #2 was the most dense one)
? @PercyLucid: On class #4 (our last) we will talk about DEILD and personal improvement on DEILD I created
? @PercyLucid: that makes the technique work 100% success tried on several experienced dreamers (myself included) and several students from previous classes
? Lunataur : PercyLucid: Not trying to rush things...but when is class over? I have to go to bed.. college is in 10 hrs
? @PercyLucid: mikeac knows that technique, as some weird used tried to hurt my technique
NoDaniel : Wow...only an 1:30..... not too bad
NoDaniel : and*
? @PercyLucid: and 1h, I was late 15 mins due that Tarot Reading i made to a co-worker
? Lunataur : xD
? @PercyLucid: you will love the technique
? @PercyLucid: specially Amity who is really good at LD
Amity :
NoDaniel : TEACH MEH YO WAYS AMITY D;
? @PercyLucid: so, now
? @PercyLucid: what I want you to do it to keep working on your workbooks, You do not need to keep posting your incubations
? Lunataur : lol
NoDaniel : awww ):
? @PercyLucid: I know well most of your incubations (if you workbook is a little dead, then yes, please, post incubations too)
? @PercyLucid: all I need you to post
? @PercyLucid: is how are you feeling about your mediations
NoDaniel : (Luna!)
? @PercyLucid: and describe (with detail) your WBTB
? @PercyLucid: in addition of your dreams if any
? Lunataur : Sorry
? Lunataur : O_o
? @PercyLucid: keep working on that concert task
? Lunataur : Yea?
? @PercyLucid: Amity, do not leave now, I will assign you a more advanced one
Amity : Yay! Thank you!
? @PercyLucid: as you did the concert and both ToTM for February xD
? @PercyLucid: only you and I have completed them
? Lunataur : PercyLucid: Btw WtG on ToTM
? @PercyLucid: wtg?
: mikeac : way to go
? @PercyLucid: oh thanks!!!
: mikeac : no problem
? Lunataur : Yw
? @PercyLucid: so, if you have more questions, just use the Q&A thread
bennerman : is the class done?
? Lunataur : Okey DOkey
? Mcdreamy : thanks
? @PercyLucid: and make sure you keep me posted with WBTB and meditation
? @PercyLucid: previous stuff if you have not done it yet
? Lunataur : btw u should do my Tarot PercyLucid x3
? Lunataur : make u l8 for class again!
: Wallboy : thanks for the class
? @PercyLucid: hahaha I have all day tomorrow
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? @PercyLucid: I will do it to bennerman
? Lunataur : lol x3
NoDaniel : Thanks fur class =D
? @PercyLucid: I mean
? @PercyLucid: Tuesday
: Telemachus : Look at the topic Percy ^^
bennerman : of all the stupid fucking shit x.x
? @PercyLucid: 4th class technique, you will love it guys
NoDaniel : O_O
? @PercyLucid: you are going to get awesome lucids
bennerman : my gems are stuck in the window
? Lunataur : Hope so!
? Lunataur :
? @PercyLucid: from a crappy 1 second lucid
bennerman : the window froze and the gems are stuck x.x
? Lunataur : D:
? @PercyLucid: bennerman... sigh... sun only xD poor stones!!!
Amity : Sounds amazing! Can't wait!
? @PercyLucid: you can leave the channel, except for Amity
NoDaniel : i dont get it.. how are they stuck?
bennerman : I was told the moon would purify them
? Lunataur : PercyLucid: anywhere I can buy gems like that?>
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? @PercyLucid: the sun, water, sea salt and incense's smoke

Spoiler for Previous week analysis:

Not a bad week. This is the time that reveal when students are truly interesting in making their dream life a more intense and successful one. Not only the assistance to class, but the daily work and quality work on the workbooks. I should say, I am overall happy. This has been a very successful class. I will keep monitoring the workbooks, so please, update them. I will send you all the final exam in a few days.

Spoiler for Notes for class 4:

The class was throughout and with interruptions. Several students were missing, but I blame the 20 hours re-schedule notice. The regular students and the students who notified me via PM will be counted with one point for assistance. Again, I saw some students on the #DV who did not assist class. Again, this is for your benefit, not mine... I am just trying to help... missing classes that way only with affect your dream life, not mine, not other student's.

Spoiler for Class 4:

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? @PercyLucid: Hi folks Let's get started
? @PercyLucid: So, how did you feel during these three weeks?
Amity : great!
? Lunataur : I feel.... depressed... and idk why
Amity : learning lots!
bennerman : Hit a little hard overall, bad time for class, but I dealt :p. You are aware of my issues, of course
stonedape : Like shit mostly, but not because of the course
? @PercyLucid: OK. So, do you guys know what DEILD is, right?
? Mcdreamy : Dream exit induced lucid dream?
bennerman : 'fraid not
stonedape : not exactly, but I'm pretty sure I do them regularly
? Lunataur : I can DEILD perfectly
? JOGUI22 : DEILD is same as DILD?
? @PercyLucid: Yes, as Mcdreamy says
? @PercyLucid: I have a personal technique
? @PercyLucid: that I find better than the DEILD technique
? @PercyLucid: for me, some previous students and experienced dreamers, had a 100% success rate
? @PercyLucid: how many of you, have a lucid dream that lasts like 10 seconds and you do not even have control?
? Mcdreamy : me
? Lunataur : me
bennerman : yo
? JOGUI22 : the 3 LD that i've are this
stonedape : not often but everyonce in a while
? @PercyLucid: well
? @PercyLucid: now you are going to get good use of those lucids
? @PercyLucid: worthless lucids will become interesting and new lucids
? @PercyLucid: I am sure you are all aware
? @PercyLucid: that in order to DEILD, you need to wake up from a dream (any dream), not move in bed, not open your eyes, ectc
? @PercyLucid: and I am sure you know it is a little hard
? @PercyLucid: for some of you
? @PercyLucid: Well... this technique is in improvement of DEILD
? @PercyLucid: and even that some user wants to ruin my little improvement, it is different from DEILD and a lot easier
? @PercyLucid: all you need to do in order for this to work
? @PercyLucid: is to MILD within a Lucid Dream
? @PercyLucid: It does not really manner if the lucid dream is short, long, with or without control
? @PercyLucid: in fact, this technique should be used right before you are going to wake up
? @PercyLucid: are you guys aware when you are waking up from a lucid dream?
Amity : yes
? Mcdreamy : somewhat
bennerman : eh
? JOGUI22 : nop
stonedape : usually
? @PercyLucid: well, you will need to know when you are waking up
? @PercyLucid: in order for this to work
? @PercyLucid: I love this technique
? @PercyLucid: because it requires no mantras, sleeping masks or stuff to remember to not open your eyes
? @PercyLucid: in a lucid dream, you are conscious and when you are awake, you are as well
? @PercyLucid: so we take profit of this
? @PercyLucid: when you feel you are waking up
? @PercyLucid: close your eyes within the own lucid dream, tell yourself you want to enter a different lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: tell yourself you do not want to move
? @PercyLucid: and start visualizing the target dream scenery
? @PercyLucid: concert for the most of you
? @PercyLucid: and for Amity our field
stonedape : what about me!
? @PercyLucid: you will suddenly feel your physical body
? @PercyLucid: and it is very possitive you will feel vibrations already
? @PercyLucid: within five more seconds
? @PercyLucid: you will be back into a different dream, likely in the same spot where you were in the previous lucid dream with slight changes
? @PercyLucid: and with a little of luck and/or focus, in the target scenery you want to dream with
? @PercyLucid: I have been testing this on me
? @PercyLucid: and the whole techniques takes about 17 seconds to happen
? @PercyLucid: you do not need dream control
? @PercyLucid: in order to do this
? @PercyLucid: all you need to do is to remember in the lucid dream (if you are fully lucid, you have waking recall, so it is not an issue)
? @PercyLucid: to complete this technique
? @PercyLucid: by the way
? @PercyLucid: I named this technique L-DEILD
? @PercyLucid: Lucid-Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream
? @PercyLucid: everybody can complete it easily
? @PercyLucid: the only con, is that you need a lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: this technique is great to accomplish goals
? @PercyLucid: in fact, each time I used L-DEILD I had my most and major dream goals (major than the TOTMs.... and I plan to use it for my next major dream goal
? @PercyLucid: you might even want to sacrifice a lucid dream, to enter fully lucid into a brand new lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: all you need to do, is to gently wake yourself up from the dream
? @PercyLucid: and that is as easy as staring as something
? @PercyLucid: as you start staring at something, start visualizing your next dream scenery
? @PercyLucid: and repeat to yourself to not move nor open your eyes
? @PercyLucid: you will travel through lucid dream-waking-lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: so you do not loss consciousness in the process
? @PercyLucid: A word of warning:
? @PercyLucid: if for some reason, you feel your self in your room instead back in the previous dream (most likely) or in the target dream scenery (positive)
? @PercyLucid: do a RC
? @PercyLucid: 95% you are still dreaming
? @PercyLucid: I have never fell to a FA from L-DEILD
? @PercyLucid: but I am sure it is possible
? @PercyLucid: This technique
? @PercyLucid: is great for improving goals and accomplishing things better done in a lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: L-DEILD lucid dreams are strong, and you start from the very beginning of your next REM
? @PercyLucid: so you can archive better goals with this
? @PercyLucid: and as you start to do this within a lucid dream
? @PercyLucid: you need no alarm clocks, no loss of sleep, no mantras... nothing... just a lucid dream... a lucid dream long enough to say, "I do not want to move nor move my eyes" and focus in the next scenery
? @PercyLucid: so a few seconds of lucidity is enough
? @PercyLucid: any questions?
? Mcdreamy : is regular DEILD hard to do?..I don't have a lot of lucid dreams yet but I wake up in the night every night usually
stonedape : Are normal DEILDs done from non-lucids?
Amity : can you describe the transition from LD - waking - LD? Do you feel yourself in your bed and then suddenly appear in a dream again?
? @PercyLucid: Mcdreamy DEILDS take a lot of practice.... once mastered, they are good, but they take time. You can "sacrifice" a lucid dream for this technique because it always work. I do not recommend trying to Astral Project from a lucid dream if you have a few only, as you sacrifice your lucid dream and you have a lot of chances to fall in a non lucid dream, but for this technique, use the little lucid dreams you have to make them longer
? @PercyLucid: stonedape yep.... technically, as this not-so-nice user claim, this technique is also a DEILD... but I like to call it L-DEILD to make it exclusively a technique from a lucid dream, a technique that requires just recalling it in a lucid dream, that does not bring loss of sleep, alarms nor mantras
? JOGUI22 : a DEILD is like a WILD but in a dream?
? @PercyLucid: Amity: For me, the transition feels the following: I am in a lucid dream, suddently, the dream starts to become blurry. If I want to perform L-DEILD, I allow the dream to end, when vision is almost gone, I close my eyes, I focus on my target dream scenery... about four seconds later, I feel my body in bed, I feel vibrations all our my body, this last for about 4 more seconds when suddenly, I find myself in the previous or target dream
? @PercyLucid: scenery
? @PercyLucid: I usually have viision, but a couple of times, I felt wind or heard noises.... if this happens... if you do not have vision but hear noises or feel something, open your eyes,VERY SLOWLY
? @PercyLucid: it is slightly possible it might be sleep paralysis, but usually, the process is so instantaneous, that you feel vibrations for 3-4 seconds and then, you are back in the dream
? @PercyLucid: you do feel your body briefly in bed
? @PercyLucid: but just 4-5 seconds
? @PercyLucid: JOGUI22: DEILD is a variation of WILD (Instant WILD) But WILD requires all the waiting... and such, DEILD requires a lot of mantras and L-DEILD requires a lucid dream... making it the easiest and most effective one... as a few seconds of lucidity is enoug
? @PercyLucid: more questions?
bennerman : I know I have one, can't think of it o.o
? @PercyLucid: well, you always have the Q&A
? @PercyLucid: now
? @PercyLucid: do you guys have ANY questions for the entire course?
? @PercyLucid: anything not covered or wandering in your heads
? Mcdreamy : Should we still be doing lots of reality checks during the day?
stonedape : what kind of info where you wanting us to write about our meditations
? @PercyLucid: RC are not directly related to MILD, however, they are always good, they bring some extra DILDS... but make sure you REALLY question the reality... focus like if you were on a dream and you want to prove you are not
? @PercyLucid: so yes
? @PercyLucid: any oneironaut should RC
stonedape : also do you have any tips for speeding up dream journalling, sometimes I spend hours doing it if I actually write down everything
? @PercyLucid: oh no... I am a slowly xD
? @PercyLucid: If I have a massive dream
? @PercyLucid: I take a lot to write it down
? @PercyLucid: about your meditations, basically if you do meditate and how
stonedape : do you know any way to wake yourself up a bit without forgetting the dream? I'm always really groggy and my mind wanders and it takes me 5 times longer than it should
? @PercyLucid: well... my WBTB is bullet proof
? @PercyLucid: if you follow it
? JOGUI22 : like the song of my visualizations, bulletproof x'D
? @PercyLucid: you will be groogy, but not enough to fall asleep
? @PercyLucid: so, if no more questions
? @PercyLucid: this is all folks
? @PercyLucid: it has been a pleasure
? @PercyLucid: teaching you all
? @PercyLucid: I still want you to work on those workbooks
? @PercyLucid: and I will send you a little exam in a few days
? Mcdreamy : will you be commenting at all in the next week?
? @PercyLucid: yep
? @PercyLucid: if you want me to
? @PercyLucid: I would love if you guys
? @PercyLucid: comment in the Comment Box http://www.dreamviews.com/f81/commen...81/index3.html
? @PercyLucid: to encourage other people to join clases in the future and such
Amity : Thanks so much for all your time, Percy!
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? Mcdreamy : yeah thank you, its been very informative and fun
bennerman : merci beaucoup
? @PercyLucid: it has been a pleasure, I am grateful for teaching you all
stonedape : tahnks
? @PercyLucid: I am happy it worked so well for you, and you will see progress very soon
bennerman : sorry again about first class XD
? JOGUI22 : ^^
? JOGUI22 : time to go to bed
? JOGUI22 : and today the megawesome LD
? JOGUI22 : x'D
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? @PercyLucid: JOGUI22
? @PercyLucid: as you are under a WBTB moment
? @PercyLucid: go straight to bed
? JOGUI22 : i'm not in WBTB
? @PercyLucid: do not check your e-mail, nothing
stonedape : hey what was the thing we get for doing the concert task?
? JOGUI22 : because o didnt go to bed x'D
? @PercyLucid: I see
? JOGUI22 : I didnt*
? JOGUI22 : but for wbtb
? JOGUI22 : i don't have to remember the last dream before wake up
? JOGUI22 : ¿?
? Mcdreamy : I have one more question...how much do you have to move your eyes around in a dream to stop from ending REM?
? @PercyLucid: just stare at something... you will wake up... if you can grab a book, try to read... reading is a dream killer
? @PercyLucid: you will obliterate your rem if you try to read a book
? Mcdreamy : but do I have to constantly move my eyes around to stay in the dream?
? @PercyLucid: yes
? @PercyLucid: specially if you talk with someone
? @PercyLucid: I had a few paranormal lucid dreams
? @PercyLucid: where I talked with a spirit
? @PercyLucid: I was moving my head all around
? @PercyLucid: it is unpolite, but if it is a DC will not mind, and if it is a deceased family or your spirit guide, will understand
? Mcdreamy : okay thanks
? @PercyLucid: that is important
stonedape : I seem to remember having dreams where I played music and didn't move my eyes around, where I focused on the notes, is it more that you can't stare at something for more than a few seconds
? @PercyLucid: not moving eyes means REM ending
? @PercyLucid: and you can kiss good-bye to the dream
? @PercyLucid: so, once more
? @PercyLucid: thanks to you all
? @PercyLucid: Keep working on those workbooks
? @PercyLucid: I will keep watching and commenting
? @PercyLucid: in a few days, you will guys get the final exam
? Mcdreamy : thanks. Have a good night!
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? @PercyLucid: time to meditate!
? @PercyLucid: bye folks!
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Session Close: Sat Feb 05 20:08:22 2011