Thread: Strange recurring dream about Jesus killing me?

Hi,
I saw no one had replied to your dream and wanted to assist you, if you’re still interested. Dreams are for each of us to interpret on our own. Therefore, if anything I say below doesn’t resonate with you, then simply discard it. So, with that said, off I go interpreting your dream as if it was mine…

I must note that this is a very long interpretation as there's lots to explain about the dream...

I begin by considering the location of my first dream. I could have located it anywhere, at anytime, in any reality but my dream starts on “at some community-type place with a bunch of kids I knew from high school.” Why have I done this?

First I note that I am inside what I call a dream compartment. What do I mean by this?

In my dreams, things that are made by people are symbols of masculine and things of nature are symbols of feminine. I will take a sidebar here and describe that I’ve learnt from my own dreams and then return to interpret the community centre…

I’ve learnt that before we incarnate, we carefully select the times we will live in, our families, life circumstances, challenges and potential exit points. We then carefully select our personality.

I’ve learnt we do this by selecting approximately 200 different “belief filters”. These are energy filters that have two polarities, a feminine one and a masculine one. We select the degree of polarity we are going to hold the belief, i.e. the degree of feminine or masculine. This then determines the belief vibratory level.

Each belief then works with the other beliefs, each with their own vibratory rate. They literally “filter our reality” by blocking out the greater reality vibrations we actually come from. They create the aura around us and create our thoughts/feelings for each moment.

We constantly tell ourselves about this in our dreams. We use symbolism to show ourselves about the beliefs and their limiting effects on us spiritually. We also show ourselves the “dis-ease’ created by some of our beliefs using colours in our dreams.

In my dreams buildings are symbols of what I call ‘belief compartments’. I’ve learnt that each wall is a symbol of a belief. Furniture within them are symbols of yet more beliefs that work with the overall beliefs to produce what I call are ‘belief effects’.

To symbolize to ourselves the many different types of beliefs we use in all our many lives, we often create our dreams in towns, cities or, in this dream as a room or rooms within a building.

I’ve often found that in many of my dreams, people appear in the rooms or buildings. I will take another sidebar here and describe what I’ve learnt about people in my dreams…

When I first began recording my dreams, I would often find people in my dreams that I didn’t know or ones that I did know but they were doing strange things. When I tried to literally interpret my dreams, it usually didn’t work.

I had a near death experience 12 years ago that changed me. One of the changes was a determination to learn to meditate. I had stopped and started meditation all my life and had in effect gone nowhere in a hurry. So this time I was determined to stick with it.

I slowly learnt how to touch my “higher self”. One day, the thought came to me to use my higher self to assist me in interpreting my dreams. Then the dream gates swung wide open.

I’ve since learnt that people in my dreams may be who they are, symbols of my masculine and feminine, other lives, teachers, guides, oversoul, aspects of myself, people who I frequently incarnate with, etc.

About a year and a half ago, I felt compelled to put together a free website documenting what I have learnt. At first, I didn’t want to because I felt what I had learnt was akin in my mind to a teaspoon of water compared to all the oceans’ water, i.e. not much. However the feeling persisted.

Today if you go to ‘learningfrommydreams’ dot com you’ll see what I created. If you go there, I suggest you look at 3 things. One is the meditation page where I list all sorts of different ways to meditate. Find one that works for you.

Then I recommend you read the dream discussion paper I posted on the website. It describes the symbolism I’ve learnt including people.

Finally, I recommend you look at the resources page where you’ll find an extensive list of things to look at.

So with all of this said, back to my dream…

So there I am inside a belief compartment that feels like a “community center.” Is the community my “physical community”, my “spiritual community” or both? My spiritual community. Whatever these beliefs are, they are now containing me, i.e. restricting me, from my greater self, i.e. what’s outside the belief walls.

The people I saw in this center were friends from high school. Are they themselves or are they symbols? They’re themselves. So why are they in the same “belief compartment” as I am? It’s because they share some of the same underlying beliefs that I do, which the room I’m standing in is a symbol of.

Then the dream ‘action’ occurs…
“One guy I used to sing at church with tries to convince me to come to church with him again and I am guilted into it. There are different variations at this point but most recently he tried to ask me to prom and kiss me and I went to church because I felt bad about rejecting him.”

So who is this guy? Is it him or, is he a symbol? Symbol. My masculine. This is very interesting.

So my masculine part of me is trying to convince me to go to church. Why?

In my dreams most churches are symbols of masculine based beliefs (excepting older feminine based ones). This dream is about what I call “command/control” set of masculine based beliefs. They use lots of masculine based abilities like order, analytical thinking and dominance. I’ve found in my own dreams that this is usually displayed with a “controller” and a “controlee”.

Churches and religions in general use these beliefs with ideas about heaven and hells, one book to interpret life with many “rules”. They also work on inclusion and exclusion, i.e. you have to be belong to a church.

I also want to note that churches in my dreams are neither good or bad or right or wrong. They are merely symbols of different inner beliefs I hold.

So my masculine asks me to “the prom”. This is a symbol about sexual relationships, i.e. my ideas about masculine and feminine. It is all about my ideas about “sex”. So my masculine uses this, i.e. kisses me, and then…I feel guilted.

Guilt is such an interesting phenomenon, if I can use this word. It occurs when a person feels/wants to atone for their actions/beliefs. In our society, it is also about hiding behind one’s outward “face/personality” they express to the world while inside they sort of mentally and spiritually “squirm”.

Religions also have a long history of using guilt. In some religions, a person is considered a “sinner” and must be saved or, they will go to “hell”. The big threat of the “hell” or “heaven” is used to get people to join their church and to be “saved”.

In my dream “…I went to church because I felt bad about rejecting him.” This is me speaking about myself. I have these underlying masculine based beliefs that are creating myself. However, I intuitively know I am more than this, i.e. there’s my feminine to consider. However, my masculine based beliefs are afraid of my feminine. So…I feel guilty about myself doing things I know are not the “real me” underneath. That’s one of the reasons we have dreams to remind us of our greater self. Then the scene changed.

“So I go to this "alternative" teen service in a very plain recreation room of a giant church that basically resembles Hogwarts. All of the kids there are people I once went to school with or else I mistake them for those people and later realize they are not the same ones.”

What an interesting place to locate the next scene. I am in a “masculine belief compartment” , i.e. a room, which is part of a giant one that resembles a symbol of magic, i.e. my feminine.

Further, it’s an “alternative teen service”. So I am beginning to show myself about some alternatives on my existing beliefs. The fact that it’s a “teen service” is also important. Why?

I’ve found in my dreams that the ages of the people in my dreams is usually a symbol for my spiritual progress in addressing the underlying beliefs the dream is a symbol of. So, if I was just coming to recognize a set of beliefs, I might be interacting with babies. If I am making more progress, I might be dealing with young kids. As I begin to deal with the beliefs I might be interacting with teenagers. When I ready to release the beliefs, I might be dealing with old people.

So, in this belief compartment, I am beginning to spiritually mature regarding the beliefs the room is a symbol of.

I am slowly spiritually waking up to the greater me. That’s why the people I think are in the room aren’t the ones I thought they were. Yet at the beginning I felt I knew them. These are some of my other lives. These ones share the same underlying beliefs I do that this room is a symbol of.

“The girl singing at the service is always, always this girl I was friends with in middle school whose singing and acting I admired in high school even after she transferred schools. She smiles at me and speaks to me after she sings sometimes. The interesting thing about the service is that though I am always invited by someone I know and around people I know I always sit alone (cross legged on the floor like everyone else) and speak to no one, except to exchange a few words with a girl who sits in front of me making a sandwich (in the recent variation she gave me half of her sandwich!) who I think is a good friend from middle school but I later realize it's just someone who looks like her.”

So who is the girl singing? Is it her from my “real life” or, is she a symbol? Symbol? Of my feminine. She exhibits symbols of what I think of are as feminine, i.e. singing and dancing. My feminine is there to encourage me.

I then sit spiritually alone. It’s my dream and my life path to figure out on my own. My other lives can assist me but in the end, it’s my choices in my life that make me who I am. Now I realize why I am alone.

Further, I am sitting in my dream. I will take an aside here and talk about lying, sitting, standing, walking and running in my dreams…

When I am lying down in dream, it’s a symbol that I don’t have any spiritual ability yet to even see the effects of some of my beliefs.

When I am sitting, it’s a symbol that I need spiritual support to see the effects of some of my beliefs.

When I am standing, it’s a symbol that I now can stand on my own two spiritual feet to see the effects.

When I am walking, it’s a symbol that I am now steadily moving through the beliefs.

When I am running, it’s a symbol I am moving relatively quickly through the beliefs.

Note that I have found that spiritual time and our time are too different things. Usually my dream time is far faster than my physical time. So when I am running etc. I realize that it still will take “some time”.

Back to the dream…

So I need spiritual support to see the effects of some of my beliefs this room is a symbol of.

And then I come to a spiritual friend; “…except to exchange a few words with a girl who sits in front of me making a sandwich (in the recent variation she gave me half of her sandwich!) who I think is a good friend from middle school but I later realize it's just someone who looks like her.”

She’s another life of mine. She is there to let me know that she too shares the same underlying beliefs but will work with me if I ask for her help. She offers me spiritual food to consume, i.e. a symbol of masculine beliefs - a sandwich. It’s made of people made processes, i.e. bread that takes feminine and then produces it into a masculine based belief able to be consumed. Then the scene changed.

“This is where it gets weird. I always leave the service in the middle, shortly after the music. I think this may be why Jesus tries to kill me, or simply because I don't worship him, or maybe I did something to desecrate his Hogwarts church? I'm a little fuzzy on this detail as it's hard to remember what happens between me leaving the service and being chased. Anyway, the dream always proceeds with me being chased by a floating figure that looks like the Phantom of the Opera, but I am internally aware this is Jesus or God. He carries a harry-potter-like wand and though I am also aware he is all-knowing and knows where I am always, he chases me throughout various spiral staircases, bathrooms, secret passageways, etc. until he can get a clear shot at me with the wand. I'm not sure if this is an insinuation of a cat and mouse game because I am pretty sure he could just catch up and kill me if he wanted, easily. Also, as the chase ensues, I periodically run into demonic janitors who basically just add to my element of fear.”

I will take this in sections….

I leave the “organized service” i.e. the masculine based beliefs being delivered. It’s midway through and I realize the beliefs are no longer working for me. However, rather than face the beliefs, I turn and flee (that’s why I’m at a teenage service).

So who is the “Jesus”, or “God’, or “Phantom of the Opera’ who’s chasing me? It’s symbols of what I would call my old masculine. I will take a detour here and describe how I came to learn about old and young masculine and feminine…

When I first began to record my dreams I frequently began to see an old couple. They might change their appearance but there was almost always an old man and woman in the dream. Then a young girl and by appeared.

They too sometimes changed but they were now in the same dream as the old couple. However, they were “bit players” in my dreams as the old couple was the ones I was interacting with.

At first, I had no idea who these people were. Then, as I learnt to mediate and apply my higher self to my dream interpretations, my dreams gates swung open.

First, I learnt that the old man and women were symbols of my masculine and feminine. Next, I learnt that the young girl and boy were symbols of the feminine and masculine I could become. So I then used the terms “old masculine and feminine” and “young masculine and feminine” to describe these dream symbols to myself.

As I began to address my underlying beliefs, the old couple disappeared from my dreams and the young ones spiritually grew up.

So with that said, back to my dream…

Chasing me is…myself. Specifically my old masculine based beliefs. They are floating behind me, trying to “kill me”. It’s not me they’re trying to kill…it’s my feminine beliefs they are so scared of.

However, the dreaming me doesn’t know this. So I am running through all sorts of different belief compartments these beliefs interact with…there’s a lot. I am showing myself some of what I call the “heavy spiritual lifting” ahead of me if I choose to listen to this dream.

My masculine doesn’t kill me with his masculine based symbol of control over my feminine, i.e, the “magic wand”. I can’t kill myself spiritually. However, my beliefs can and do manifest in me as guilt and fear.

Who are the demonic janitors? They are some of my other lives who hold the same underlying beliefs as I do BUT THEY’RE EXPRESSING THEMSELVES DIFFERENTLY. They are playing the parts of “controllers” spiritually trying to clean up and contain spiritual feminine beliefs that can’t be contained.

“This part of the dream always starts out with me being chased not as myself, but as various members of my high school graduating class, and only ones I was not very close to. They travel in groups of 2-4 and I always experience this part as though I was one of them, feeling their feelings and thoughts but watching in third person as though a movie. They proceed through the chase -- which at some point always goes through a large three-level concert theatre that is dark, unlit and Victorian style with maroon damask drawings and chairs and dark mahogany wood. This is never where the chase ends, but it is always where the characters and I realize that the chase is futile and we will die at the end.”

This is VERY INTERESTING. The high school class people in this dream scene are who they are. They too share some of the same underlying beliefs as I do. Spiritually, we are working together on them.

I am showing myself who I really am spiritually, i.e. their feeling and thoughts while also yet keeping my role as a third person. I’m going to take another detour here and talk about virtual realities and then come back to this dream…

I used to think I had incarnated in a linear fashion. Imagine my surprise when I learnt that these lives “lived at the same time” as I do. How could this be?

I came across a book written by a nuclear physicist, Tom Campbell, who's had many, many out of body experiences. He wanted to reconcile his experiences with his science. So, he wrote a trilogy "My Big TOE" where TOE Stands For Theory of Everything.

In his books he lays out two hypothesis. One is that there is a universal consciousness he calls "All That Is". The second is that "All That Is" must evolve. He put this in scientific terms, i.e. it must lower it's entropy (which is a measurement of randomness).

Then he goes on to talk about All That Is creating these physical matter realities and non-physical matter realities which are seemingly unlimited. He then goes on to say that we live in a virtual reality simulator of sorts where for each moment, there is an almost unlimited number of future probable realities to select from. We select one and it becomes our new present.

I found that these concepts made sense of what I had experienced. This would allow for all my incarnations to be "living at the same time" as me in different times and realities.

It also allowed for probable lives to exist. My own theory is that "All That Is" wants to explore each and every probability to evolve. Therefore, all of our choices are actualized in parallel digital realities.

It also explains to myself about deja vu and dreams of the future. Each night, when we sleep, we leave our bodies. Then, as part of our activities, we "model" some of our probable futures, in effect, testing them out. Most of the time, we aren't listening to ourselves in our bodies, so what only makes it through are some little fragments which we then experience as a deja vu (to have already seen).

Tom then talks about probability curves. This is a measure of all the probabilities against the likelihood of us experiencing it. As we draw nearer to the actual event, the likelihood of choosing and experiencing a certain event, then becomes statistically higher.

So, I believe and think, that people use this to teach themselves about themselves, by having dreams where something that could happen actually happens. What most people do is shy away from this, trying to forget it. This is part of a learning process.

They think that because they have the dream it makes it happen. What they haven’t yet learnt is to take the knowledge and change the future. I will give you a personal example…

Some years ago, I was in a car with a teacher beside me. They had a video camera that was pointing backwards. So I turned to look back.

I saw a relative driving a car though an intersection and watched as this large truck came through the intersection and instantly killed him.

Upon awakening I knew I was being shown a probable future. I also realized it was my dream and a learning opportunity for me. So rather than forget about it, I summoned up my courage and told my loved one about it. I explained about probable futures and then left them with my dream.

They then thanked me. They changed some of their activities by getting their estate in order. Today, they’re still here.

Now, does that mean that a person who has a probable future dream can stop an event from happening. The answer is…it depends! It depends on the participants of the event and what their spiritual choice is.

If I have caught your attention here, I suggest you get a hold of Jane Robert’s fictional trilogy “Over Soul Seven”. She channeled an entity named Seth through in the 1970’s to 80’s who wrote many books through her. She also wrote on her own and the Over Soul Seven books are the easiest way to convey different incarnations living at the same time in different times.

Science is making some progress in the recognition we live in a virtual reality. On my free website “learningfrommydreams” dot com, there is a resource page. If you click on it and go down to the “Science section” you will find links to the Wikipedia page for Digital Physics, and several links to Youtube videos about digital realities.

Some people who have near death experiences, go through a past life review. This review is taken moment by moment in a person’s life. They can experience each moment from the perspective of any one in the moment and then see the effects rippling out through time.

This makes sense if one accepts we live in a virtual reality. Let’s use an example of you playing a virtual reality game.

You can save the game at any point and return to play it. You can change what happens when you replay a game.

If you’re the game designer, you can use your “cheat codes” to take on the role of any one player.

All of this can make a person’s head spin. However, if one listen’s to oneself one discovers we are much more than our physical body.

So, back to the dream…

I can take on the viewing of any one of the dream characters and experience their thoughts/feelings while still being myself. In this case, I am experiencing what some of my classmates are experiencing in my dream “…as though a movie.”

I am sending myself a message it’s “time” to reflect on my concepts of “time” and who I am spiritually.

“They proceed through the chase -- which at some point always goes through a large three-level concert theatre that is dark, unlit and Victorian style with maroon damask drawings and chairs and dark mahogany wood. This is never where the chase ends, but it is always where the characters and I realize that the chase is futile and we will die at the end.”

They are going through a theatre, a place where we produce plays and show illusions of space and time, i.e. movies. It’s a way I’m showing myself saying “hey spiritually wake up here and pay attention!”

Why the Victorian setting? That’s because there are likely some of my other lives who live in this time who will assist me. They too share the same underlying beliefs.

Why the 3 levels? I will take a short detour here and describe numerology and then return to your dream…

When I first began to interpret dreams I though numerology was some fluffy thing people did. Then I learnt that it’s not “fluffy” because my dreams and those of others are full of it. It’s a way of sending us messages about ourselves. Numbers are part of the multiverse we live in.

I have my own theory about numerology in dreams. It doesn’t matter which reference or approach a dreamer takes to interpret it AS LONG AS THEY USE A WAY THAT RESONATES WITHIN THEM. I think that once the dreamer has their own numerology frame of reference, the dreams are arranged to convey to the dreamer the messages using their frame of reference.

For myself, I use “Angel Numbers – Joanne Sacred Scribes” (Google it). So back to your dream.

There are 3 levels in the theatre. Here’s what she says for the number 3…

Number 3 carries the vibrations of communication and self-expression, adventure, inspiration and creativity, humour, optimism and joy, spontaneity and enthusiasm. Number 3 also symbolizes the principle of increase and growth, expansion and abundance on the mental, emotional, financial and spiritual levels. Number 3 is the number of manifesting and manifestation and carries the vibration of the Ascended Masters. The Ascended Masters help you to focus on the Divine spark within yourself and others, and assist with manifesting your desires. They are helping you to find peace, clarity and love within.

Angel Number 3 is an indication that your angels are trying to get your attention. The angels and Ascended Masters want you to follow your intuition and inner-wisdom so that you are able to take appropriate action/s at this time. Use your creative skills and abilities to manifest your desires and enhance your life and that of others. The angels encourage you to follow your life path and soul mission with optimism and enthusiasm.

When Angel Number 3 appears it suggests that your prayers and positive affirmations have been heard and are being responded to by the Universal Energies. Have faith that your goals and desires will manifest in your life in Divine right time. Trust your personal skills and talents and the love and support from the angels.

Angel Number 3 encourages you to be communicative and social with others and to live your life with joy, optimism and spontaneity.

I always send a quick message of thanks to my higher self when these types of messages get through the belief suit I am wearing to me!

“…theatre that is dark, unlit and Victorian style with maroon damask drawings and chairs and dark mahogany wood.”

I’m sending myself a message that these existing beliefs are low vibration, i.e. dark. Inside are some symbols of some of my old “dead feminine” beliefs I need to address, i.e. wooden furniture.

And my feeling at the end of all of this…” I realize that the chase is futile and we will die at the end.” As long as I don’t listen to myself, this feeling will likely continue.

Now on to the next section of my dream…

“This part is also weird, kinda hard to explain so bear with me here -- after I watch my classmates be chased from a semi-first person perspective, I switch back to the actual first person (myself, though I am watching myself like third-person) where I am hiding somewhere and realize that I must reveal myself or be responsible for my actions since God is mistakenly chasing them for whatever I did to him (though he is all-knowing about our location for some reason he does not realize he should be chasing me, or maybe he does this to antagonize me more and make me feel guilty for putting these acquaintances in danger? Not sure) at this point I begin to be the one being chased and go through the exact same chase locations. The hogwarts-church seems to be a maze, for even when I find something that should be an exit I find myself re-entering the building. This ensures that I never escape the dream. the dream never ends, I usually wake up before Jesus-Phantom-Wizard catches up to me and kills me. His voice is projected in certain rooms especially the theatre telling me that I will never escape and sometimes laughing. The thing I remember most about this dream is the intense feeling of fear and dread I have for my life.”

Well, I used to have similar types of dreams, almost every night, for years, where I was waking up with someone trying to kill me. Today, they are gone.

In my own case, I realized I was afraid of dying and this took me into a deep journey within myself.

I want to show you why I am no longer afraid of death based on one of my experiences as I learnt to listen to myself…

One dark, stormy fall night, I decide to brave the elements and go to a meditation class. Only 3-4 of us showed up. So we decided to go ahead and share our meditations at the end.

At the end of my mediation, I felt a presence. It showed itself to me as a pre-mature baby boy. I knew it was for the woman sitting beside me. All I knew about her at the time was that she was a teacher, had two late teenage kids and was Jewish, So I turned to her and asked If I could give her a message. She replied yes.

I then asked her if she had miscarried a baby boy? She replied yes. And then the most wonderful event in my life occurred…

The baby boy turned into a man and sent pure unconditional love through me. It only lasted a fraction of a second. It went right to the very heart of who I am. Words can’t describe it. Every time I think of this, I get a bit teary.

I began to cry. The woman began to cry. Her son told me he was always with his mother. She then told me that another medium had brought him to her but she was so glad to know he was still there.

That man was a teacher for me. He showed me what all of us are at the heart of us…beings of pure unconditional love. That experience took me several hours to recover from.

I now “know” inside myself who I am. All my past fears of what happens when we die are no longer with me.

That is the type of experience anyone can experience if they learn to listen to themselves.

“…at this point I begin to be the one being chased and go through the exact same chase locations. The Hogwarts-church seems to be a maze, for even when I find something that should be an exit I find myself re-entering the building. This ensures that I never escape the dream. the dream never ends, I usually wake up before Jesus-Phantom-Wizard catches up to me and kills me.”

I am being shown, again, a potential spiritual path through some of my many belief compartments, i.e. the maze. I am also showing myself there is no “easy spiritual out”. I have to learn to face myself.

There is some good news here…I am never killed! My dreams are trying hard to let me know my fears cannot spiritually kill me.

“The dream ended differently this time. I return to the theatre room which was surprisingly now lit up instead of dark, and I immediately begin to sing a praise song before God can enter behind me. I close my eyes and I am crying and sing it loudly with one palm upward to the sky. This was when I woke up, I don't know if this prevented him from killing me or not, I didn't want to praise him but did this in a last effort to spare my life because I don't know what else he wants from me.”

I am laughing at myself as I write this. I am once again in my theatre room trying a new ending for myself. This time I am trying to use the old masculine beliefs of a “praise song” for the “big guy in the sky”. It’s funny now that I can see myself, running from myself, who’s acting the part of a male god, then singing supplications to myself!

If this was my dream, I would take it as what I call a “spiritual progress report” on myself. I am “en-lightening” myself, i.e. standing in the now lit theatre. I realize I am guilting myself.

The choice is mine as to what I do with this dream. I can begin to release the old beliefs by spiritually exploring myself.

Do you meditate and keep a dream journal? I’ve found these are both free, but initially hard ways, but also the most powerful ways, to learn about one self. On “learningfrommydreams” dot com I have a section devoted to different ways to meditate. If I have captured your imagination, then I suggest you go there and find one that “feels right” for you.

Then, if you’re game, do it for 10-15 minutes every day. I realize you are likelybusy but suggest you try to do it at the same time each day. This will begin to create a rhythm of listening to yourself.

When you meditate, don’t set your expectations. Simply ask your guides to guide you.

If you do this day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year, you will likely become a very different person.

By the way, you have excellent dream recall. I “feel” this is just one of many spiritual skills you have inside you.

I hope that some of what I’ve said resonates deeply inside of you.

With kind regards,
Guy