but the funny thing is, it is usually true. One person can not change the world. Yes, I know that many people "can" but then that goes back to Bob who doesn't even give a shit what I buy anyways |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
then don't give them your money, and don't support them. you are where 'they' are getting the money from. |
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Last edited by no-Name; 02-26-2011 at 07:56 AM.
From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Last edited by Erii; 02-26-2011 at 07:59 AM.
From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Yes, you should eat me, come to my house and get snackin! |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Erible, the point here is not that you will change the world by not eating meat. The point is that you will spare more animal lives, and therefore cause less suffering, by not eating meat. |
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I do understand that is what you are saying, and yes, it is true-but it won't be a significant change. |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
It's a certainly significant change to the animals that would have otherwise been raised and slaughtered. |
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but the thing is, if one person stops eating meat the animal would still be slaughtered for someone else :/ |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Yes, all animals that are alive right now for the production of meat will be slaughtered. But when they send that meat off to grocery stores, and the grocery stores report less meat sales, the people who raise the animals to be slaughtered will notice this and lower the quota for the amount of meat they will have to produce in the future. This means that only in the future will animal lives be spared. |
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Also, I don't believe this is a valid excuse. Of course there are other more immoral things occurring, and there always will be, but that doesn't give anybody an excuse to continue the immorality that they cause that is reasonably in their own control. Especially when their immorality is causing the death and suffering of other sentient organisms. |
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I catch what you are saying now. |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Well then what bob buys is not related to what you but so by you not buying steak one less steak is bought. It might not seem a lot on a weekly basis, but if you add up the number of steaks the 7 million vegetarians(not sure if this is an accurate number, just got it off a random website, but this is for just the US) would have eaten in their lifetime, it's a really big number. If they were to eat only one steak a month and lived on average to be only 60 that would be over 5 billion steaks. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
I really wish I could have gotten into this discussion at the beginning; it is very pertinent to my life right now and I've been doing a fair amount of research. I haven't read all 11 pages so I won't address any arguments directly, but I will describe my personal take on things. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
What do you think the suffering of a plant is like? Slatyseadog said the same thing. I assume that plants have some kind of an experience of pain but I don't thinks its the same as a human or animals because we have brains. Are plants even conscious in the same way, I honestly don't know and have always assumed they aren't. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
ewww coleslaw..... |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
alright well now this thread has got me thinking-I am going to make a good conscious effort on cutting back eating meat. I actually just had a vegetarian dinner, I don't think I can become a vegetarian yet but I'm still gonna cut down on meat it is a start right |
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From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.
-Edvard Munch
Erible's post is proof enough that one person (in this case Alextanium) can indeed make a difference. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
I don't agree that plants can suffer. Our bodies are physically programmed to feel pain, and it's the pain which we suffer from. We have millions upon millions of nerves which are used to send pain signals to the brain. |
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Last edited by MindGames; 02-27-2011 at 04:11 AM. Reason: sp
I can't even begin to imagine what the qualia of a plant's feelings are but here is a link to a good page that outlines all of the research that has been done on the subject that leads me (and many others) to conclude that they do in fact 'feel' in some way. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Last edited by MindGames; 02-27-2011 at 04:08 AM.
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