Thread: Religion

well this is turning into a political conversation and as the topic says, this is about religion.

Originally posted by adidas
correct. he is the father of communism, it all came from his head. to bad there has never been a true communist society or he might loose some legitimacy. you might know his philosophy as marxism. he's a very intelligent man, with some very down to earth ideas that most capitalists dismiss as babble. it's really to bad.

Not to say that religions do not influence politics or belittle Marx, but I see a fallacy of authority. I mean, was Marx a religious philosopher or a student of religion? You should find someone with a religious background, at least if you discuss the subject.

it doesn't stop him from having ideas does it? i only said that this quote from marx explained my opinions about religion. i never said what he did it for a living, because that's irrelevant... he's breathing... that means he can have an opinion on religion. -- and as for philosophacles ... i used the quote in religious manner, you turned it political when you tried to say that a communist philosopher might not be as qualified as anyone else.

i am just saying that a communist may have a bias opinion about religion. Read up on christian philosophers such as Calivin, Hobbes, and Cheknov.

They don't have to be Christian, they can be Buddist, Jewish, atheist, it doesn't matter. I'm just saying it is better fitted to take the religious ideas of someone who would better stand for it. Marx only seems to see the idea of religion from a political context, or is it just me?

he does look at it from a political context... and so do i, because i don't see it being anything beyond that. -- are you saying a christian philosopher wouldn't be bias?

no, they would be bias, just from the opposite view point. Try comparing them.

Originally posted by adidas
he does look at it from a political context... and so do i, because i don't see it being anything beyond that. -- are you saying a christian philosopher wouldn't be bias?

Heavens no. As I said, it doesn't matter what their religion is, there is such a thing as an aethist with a religious degree. Just be careful whose authority you use for a subject.
I just wasn't sure that this discussion was from a political context, I thought more of a personal one. Not sure.
Hmmm...if you think religion is only a political context, then I guess everything spiritual, physical and social-oriented about it, is just a way to control people to you? Isn't that a little close-minded? No one is twisting anyone's arm to have a religion for the pure sake of having a political agenda. Unless you count radicals, but then that's why they are called so.

personally i don't see anything spiritual behind any religions. that's why i chose not to take it beyond a political context in this case. -- like i said before, yes he's a political philosopher, but that does not hinder his ability to have religious opinions.

wait, you don't find anything spiritual about religion? well i don't find anything spiritual about atheism, so i guess it is a difference of opinion.

Atheism is a way of life for me... I know without being told that I will go to hell or heaven that I should do things truthfully and nice... I dont really care about other peoples religions ... I would never try to convert somemone but if any guy walks up to me in the mall or on the street telling me that if I dont join his little group of born agains that i will be soulless and therefor go to hell.... I wann throw an egg at this guy... take his panflets and rip them to pieces...

Religions can rally and ask for conversions but atheists cant... or if they can they would just be beat up....

(Religions are the root of all evil)

Originally posted by BlueMystik

(Religions are the root of all evil)

How many religions have you tried and studied before you reached this conclusion? I think I can guess.

....I wann throw an egg at this guy...take his panflets and rip them to pieces... [/b]

hmmph. what an asshole of a thing to do. I wouldn't do that or anything like to anyone just for having a different religion or beliefs.

how many people have told you that if you don't "convert" you will go to hell? I have more atheists push their ideas on me then christians. Besides, christianity isn't soley about doing good things so you won't go to hell.

whats it about then? -- it explains what was then unknown. all it does anymore is give people ethics and morals and tells them how to think.

Originally posted by adidas
whats it about then? -- it explains what was then unknown. all it does anymore is give people ethics and morals and tells them how to think.

Too bad most of them don't really follow it exactly anyway.

true true... and too bad some follow it word for word *cough*gay bashers*cough*

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/

heres a little bible prodigy hard at work. this guy disgusts me... i swear... give me a baseball bat and 10 minutes locked in a room with this guy and he wont be preaching anymore of god's loving words.

Originally posted by adidas
true true... and too bad some follow it word for word *cough*gay bashers*cough*

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/

indeed. it's scary how misguided some people allow themselves to become.

there are some people who do bash gays, but there are atheists and people of other religions that bash gays. As for what christianity is about is much deeper then ethics and morals. Sure it promotes that, but it also teaches spirituality and makes people, at least me, fell good. Plus it explains a lot of things today.

i don't remember hearing about any atheist groups running around to gay funerals holding up signs that say "god hates fags" but that's just me. its organized hatred... gays, jews, blacks, women... its super concentrated hate. that's something it fosters, i wont having anything to do with it... even if it does make me "feel good." blah. but thats just my humble opinion.

Have you ever seen a group sponsered by atheism? It is not only christians who do this. And i have never heard of a group sponsered by christianity yo hate blacks, women, jews, or gays.

people like that make me ashamed to call myself a "Christian".

I. don't. hate. anyone. God doesn't want us to hate anyone.

no he doesn't. It plainly says all this in the bible. Don't judge.

According to Leviticus 19:20-22, if a man rapes his female slave... the woman gets punished and the man's sins are forgiven.

In Deuteronomy 22:28-29 it says that if a man rapes a virgin, he must marry her and also pay her father 50 shekels for humbling her.

Women are below men in the pecking order again in 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 where it is made crystal clear that God over Christ, Christ is over man, and man is over woman. After all man was not created for woman, but woman was created for man.

Women are not allowed to talk in church, in fact the idea of them speaking in church is shameful. This is made very clear in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Women are to remain silent, and if they have any questions they are to ask their husbands at home after church.

Not only are women inferior to men, but they should treat their husbands as they treat God. Check this quote out from Ephesians 5:22-24 "wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."

women were only created because Adam could not find a suitable wife (help meet) in the animals that God showed him. On top of being second string to cattle and sheep, women were created from a spare rib of a man. Woman needed man in order to exist. (Genesis 2:20-22)

In Exodus 20:17 it says "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Yes sir, the wife ranks right there with the ox and ass.

That's not all. Exodus 21:7-10 covers the rules of selling your daughter, her master making her marry him, and then her role if he wants more wives. I see the woman's view and feelings mattered quite a bit here.

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

fun fun stuff...