Or just Misunderstood.
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Or just Misunderstood.
Moved to Philosophy. I'm not sure if the average newcomer knows much about Nostradamus.
The average newcomer has just as much of a chance of knowing who that is as anyone else. Personlly I don't see what one has to do with the other. So my answer would be neither.
It could be worthy in other forums.
Why don't you try to conjure up his spirit and ask him. You can't really say with the facts given whether he practiced lucid dreaming or not.
I used to be into the "Witchboard" etc, but it's like phoning random numbers on a telephone. You may get "Mother Teresa" or then again "Jack the Ripper".
It is not impossible that he was a liar.
I wouldn't call him a liar...more of a "Sylvia Browne" type. Making statements and predictions so general that they're bound to come true eventually.
The best way to predict the future is to plan for it. Nostradamus was intimately connected to the de Medici bloodline - he was the doctor to Catherine de Medici, Queen of France. Descendents of this bloodline, to this day, help run the world (much of the royal family, the Bush's, nearly every other United States president to name a few).
He didn't predict anything. Out of over a 1000 vague guesses and he gets like 5 that "might" be right if you change the meaning around. With how vague they are its surprising that he got so many wrong. Just by guessing he should have got more right.
Well I guess "like" 5 out of 1000 is good enough for you. No reason to actually look into it right?
Even if it was 20 that is still a horrible record. Lets assume he did get 20 of them for a second. Thats still only 2% of his predictions comming true.
...assuming it's actually 20 out of 1000.
Yea to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its really about 5, like I said. You want an exact number but I cant give you one because people will argue over some of them. They are that vague. The number would be 4-7. No amount of argueing is ever going to get you any where near 20 though. So at best its still less than 2%, which means nothing.
That is... utter nonsense.Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken
The best way to predict the future is to plan for it. Nostradamus was intimately connected to the de Medici bloodline - he was the doctor to Catherine de Medici, Queen of France. Descendents of this bloodline, to this day, help run the world (much of the royal family, the Bush's, nearly every other United States president to name a few).
I bet you also think the Illuminati run the world?
I meant to say 1000 was a random number which is inconceivably high.Quote:
Originally posted by Alric
Yea to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its really about 5, like I said. You want an exact number but I cant give you one because people will argue over some of them. They are that vague. The number would be 4-7. No amount of argueing is ever going to get you any where near 20 though. So at best its still less than 2%, which means nothing.
Prove me wrong bitch :-P Don't call something nonsense unless you have something to back it up.Quote:
That is... utter nonsense.
I bet you also think the Illuminati run the world?[/b]
I'm guessing the number is at 100 max.
As for the Illuminati they have been brought up so much, but their secret HQ has not been found and no complete trace that anyone has done has shown that the Illuminati if they exist really do run the world. If they really do exist the millions people put in trying to find them has been wasted in the wrong places.
The 1000 was an exact number. His predictions where writen in quatrains, which where each 4 lines. He wrote them as centuries, which each had 100. There was 10 of them. Which makes 1000 quatrains, which is 1000 predictions.
Ok to be exact one of them only had 42 quatrains, so its really 942 predictions. So no, it wasn't a random number. Yes it is correct, and my point still stands. He sucks at predicting stuff with less than 2% right and maybe you are the one who needs to look into stuff.
OK, 942 it is :)
But there are still some interesting references to Iran, Geneva, the Muslim world being pitted against the republic (USA), the "New City" at 45 degrees (latitude) where the towers will shake, etc...Really I think that would be a peculiar coincidence.. I just figure that he made some interestingly-accurate references. But logic still tells me it makes more sense that he was connected to a bloodline in power to this very day. Truth is stranger than fiction, and chance just doesn't add it up for me anymore. I've seen too much, and it's getting more and more into the public awareness. I guess when the vast majority of world leaders are into freemasonry/Illuminati/etc, and I see numerous presidents of the US at Bohemian Grove including Bush and his daddy, and then I hear about Nostradamus being tied into this web, I start to ask some questions. And it starts to fill in some gaps with much more straightforward answers (straightforward if you aren't happy with what's going on today).
And those who say it is "utter nonsense", well, I'm still waiting to be proven wrong. Can't be that hard to find out my sources for geneaology are crap. Anyone??
See the thing is, he made everything so vague so that one prediction could relate to a lot of different things. One example is the New City at 45 degrees. A lot of people thought he was talking about another city. One in france I think it was.
The other thing is like 90% of the stuff about 9/11 was never predicted. A bunch of jerks copied fake stuff and posted it off as real and everyone bought it. Then some other people took what he really said but changed a few lines to make it fit better. THEN some people took parts from two or three different predictions and mixed them togather. THEN some people took real ones, read the part that happen but then totally ignore the part that didn't.
You just agreed that there are 942. Well the prediction about the towers shaking and the prediction about a city burining at 45 degrees(which the entire city didn't burn or even remotely burn, and new york is at 41 degrees) where from two different predictions. Yea they are both true but they are in unrelated predictions. If your going to mix 4 lines from 942 predictions, it can relate to anything. Thats 3768 lines, how many ways can you rearrange that? Someone can do the math but I am guessing its in the millions.
Let me write 3768 lines of predictions using vague langue and metaphors to obscure any meaning the predictions might have. People might look at me like I am nuts but I am willing to bet in 200 years some moron will look back and say "hey he knew the future!".
Alright, interesting enough. Evidence for both sides, but either way I agree there's no point in taking his stuff as gospel. Much easier to look at past civilizations and historical events to determine what's coming up, or what we should do with ourselves. I live and learn from my mistakes and those of others...I don't care for biblical stuff :)
Pretty much on topic, I remembered this informative (and funny!) Prophecy for Dummies website.
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This guide, Prophecy for Dummies, is a simple, concise and effective resource for jump-starting your religion, gaining or adding to your mythical reputation, obtaining additional followers, and many other worthwhile goals. It lists all of the major ways that preternatural knowledge of future events can be obtained in a detailed and easily understood fashion. No longer will you need a lengthy and exhausting initiation into a mystery religion or years of apprenticeship under a veteran Prophet. Many have found going out on their own a liberating and rewarding experience; with thorough knowledge of the ways of the Prophet, and hopefully a bit of luck, so will you.[/b]
And it has a nice link to the nostradamus 9/11 claims too.
-spoon
That is a very good link. Nostraduamus used a ton of the tricks that it listed. It even explains them all. If you can read that and still believe nostraduamus could do anything you would have to be nuts.