obama killer?

[Rozzy]

What we are doing here is to create one more burden on women, and I can't support that. ~obama (on born babies)(infanticide) i know there is alot of controversy when it comes to abortion but it is mainly because of the lack of knowledge on wether a fetus is alive or not. so let me present this sort of new question. do you believe that infanticide is moral. is it justified? if so please explain why. if no, do the same. i personally don't believe that it is okay on any level. it is completely immoral and disgusting. it is murder, and murder is not right. i am appalled that we could have voted for someone who supports infanticide. it shows how little we care these days... discuss. btw here's a definition... infanticide (ĭnfăn`təsīd) [Lat.,=child murder], the putting to death of the newborn with the consent of the parent, family, or community. encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com

[Universal Mind]

Obama wants to legalize the killing of born babies? Tell us more about what you are referring to. There has to be more to the story.

[Rozzy]

it's basically this, obama is for infanticide. you saw the definition. now it is not neccesarily what he is doing, but what he is not doing and what he has said. he has repeatedly voted no on the born alive infant protection act, or BAIPA. he also said, "Babies who survive abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on women, and I can't support that." http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45553 he (now openly) says that basically it is okay to have a baby and provide no care for it, just let it die because it is a burden. so basically this is how it would go down. i get pregnant. i say "hey you know i don't want this child." i then try to have an abortion. abortion does not work.. i have the baby and let it die. yeah that's very moral right? if you want to know more, just go to, http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45553 he has his arguments, but no matter how good of arguments he may come up with, it is no excuse for murder.

[skysaw]

it's basically this, obama is for infanticide. you saw the definition... if you want to know more, just go to, http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html... You apparently either didn't read, or didn't properly digest your own source on this. Directly on the factcheck page as the writer is drawing his conclusions (emphasis mine): What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of "infanticide" as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony.

[Rozzy]

You apparently either didn't read, or didn't properly digest your own source on this. Directly on the factcheck page as the writer is drawing his conclusions (emphasis mine): true true. yet at the same time, why did he say such thing as he did on my other source. once again, "Babies who survive abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution." uumm, obviously, there's something wrong with that.

[skysaw]

true true. yet at the same time, why did he say such thing as he did on my other source. once again, "Babies who survive abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution." uumm, obviously, there's something wrong with that. That was not an Obama quote, but rather a summary the author Jill Stanek gave that included monumental spin. Here is Obama's actual quote (listed on her page): ...whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. … Just how she thinks that "previable" means "babies who survive abortions" is a mystery to me. It should be one to you as well, but perhaps you didn't know the meaning of previable (from dictionary.com): Main Entry: pre·vi·able Pronunciation: -'vI-&-b&l Function: adjective : not sufficiently developed to survive outside the uterus previable fetus Perhaps Ms. Stanek could attempt to explain how a fetus that is unable to survive means a baby that did survive?

[Jeff777]

Um...aorozoco...Obama simply supports "Pro Choice"...how does that make him a baby killer when it's the females deciding what to do with their bodies and babies...not him...

[Robot_Butler]

Good to see Skysaw has everything under control here. I just heard something about this earlier today. It is amazing that people have enough bile in them to propogate something so hatefully false. (I'm not referring to you, aorozco, but your irresponsible sources )

[Rozzy]

sorry i took so long to respond, i just got to a computer today... nways, i seee your point sky. i looked at a couple more articles on this. i see what you mean and i will apologize for my mistake of inferring on a article that was not neccesarily a great source. but i will stick to one thing and that is, opposition of abortion, which is already going on in another thread so discuss there. my bad.

[DeathCell]

If you believe this you are easily swayed..

[Rozzy]

you mean what? swayed by what?

[wendylove]

you mean what? swayed by what? Rubbish like Obama is baby killer. Do you think Obama is a muslim too or a terrorist? Anyway, you lack objectivity and rational arguments so instead you use shock tactics. Anyway, Obama is not a baby killer. Abortion should be allowed because if its banned then women will just have a back alley abortion, which would end up killing alot of women. I really don't see abortion being banned, as most of America and the UK see it as bad, but should be possible. Do you also want to ban gay marriages?

[Rozzy]

Rubbish like Obama is baby killer. Do you think Obama is a muslim too or a terrorist? Anyway, you lack objectivity and rational arguments so instead you use shock tactics. Anyway, Obama is not a baby killer. Abortion should be allowed because if its banned then women will just have a back alley abortion, which would end up killing alot of women. I really don't see abortion being banned, as most of America and the UK see it as bad, but should be possible. Do you also want to ban gay marriages? i don't think he's a terrorist, that's just dumb... that's nice that you feel that way... but like i said in a previous response, argue about actual abortion,(in the wmb) on the other thread... and gay marriage is a whole new topic, and it really depends on where your morality stands. i personally don't feel like it's okay but watever, it's not really my choice, and i won't really go in to it.

[Rozzy]

wow it is amazing how 1 year can change a person's perspective and moral codes. lol just skimming through past posts and recognizing what changes i've made or have been made. huh.

[Malac Reborn]

wow it is amazing how 1 year can change a person's perspective and moral codes. lol just skimming through past posts and recognizing what changes i've made or have been made. huh. Do you now stand for abortion?

[Rozzy]

I don't know how to reply to that.. I guess, I find that it is messed up to have the government and a bunch of religious folk tell you that you have to have the baby inside of you. I think the woman needs to have the right to choose on her own. I don't think I could do it, but by no means should I keep others from doing it. I think people just need to be more careful when it comes to sex.

[Rozzy]

Also about the gay marriage thing.. Wow.. Meh I was a 'christian' then and didn't know how to feel about that Everyone told me I can't be okay with gay marriage so I was like okay.. Like I said, it's kind of weird reading my own comments and threads from back then now...

[greenhavoc]

Murder by any other name; justify it all you want peeps .....lol, too funny. Self explanatory.

[sloth]

I lost all respect for you, Rozzy, and then gained it all back. Now I feel neutral again. I used to be pro-life, and anti-gay too.

[dajo]

now if only that signature would be adjusted as well..

[Rozzy]

Meh haven't been on here enough to change sig and all that god stuff. I don't really care whether someone respects me or not. I guess i'm just looking back at my old self and thinking wow.. What a dumb bitch. That's not a good feeling to have though.. lol

[dajo]

Don't be so hard on yourself though. I think many people look back and think "I can't believe what kind of different person I was x years ago". What matters is who you are now.

[Rozzy]

^ Yeah. Basically.