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    • low taxes , fossil fuels good, regulation of corporations restricts business, use military to protect interests, poor are poor own fault,

      0 0%
    • extremely small government, should not intervene in any way except for defense. Pro life.

      0 0%
    • balance between private and public sector. use military power to defend democracy

      2 11.76%
    • gov working for people,regulate to protect rights.green tech to help enviro. no military power except to defend country . gov help provide needs

      13 76.47%
    • Stateless society, no head. Everyone works together to provide for eachothers needs. Common ownership. Opposition to authority.

      2 11.76%
    • Government ruled by individual. Complete authority over the state.

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    Thread: What Politcal Ideology Are you?-Intelligent Debate time!

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      Lightbulb What Politcal Ideology Are you?-Intelligent Debate time!

      Which Political ideology are you? I decided to post the descriptions instead of the names because people tend to spend more time debating the ditchotomy between the names instead of actually discussing the ideologies. Also some names have different meanings in different places of the world. If there is a political ideology you follow that I did not list above, please post it below. Please do not accuse me of incorrectly describing an ideology or whatever, if you have a disagreement, do so below in an intelligent and friendly manner. I encourage debate, but PLEASE, no Ad hominem attacks. Lets keep this an intelligent and thought provoking thread, not a shit throwing contest or a warzone.

      EDIT: It would only allow 150 characters for each option so thats why they are not more descriptive.
      Last edited by Sarta; 08-30-2011 at 07:45 PM.

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      I think you meant for this to be a poll thread, but there's no poll.

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      Sorry it took a while to make it because I made the options too long so I had to spend forever shortening them.

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      I chose the fourth one down. I believe it is the sole responsibility of a government to look after the best interests of the people and to work on their behalf to solve the many problems that may be facing that country. I honestly don't see how society could run in a lawful and orderly way without any form of government, and I don't see how we'd be able to maintain all of the valuable social services we currently have without government funding. I also believe that we should definitely be using green energy to meet our energy needs. Fossil fuels are unsustainable and we obviously can't continue to rely on them as our main energy source.

      As for using the military only for defense, I agree for the most part. But I think some exceptions should be made in certain circumstances. For instance, when Hitler and the Nazi party gained control of Germany and began persecuting anyone they deemed inferior to themselves and shortly after, invaded Poland, I don't think it would have been right for us to stand back and do nothing. When such terrible acts against humanity are committed, I believe we should do whatever is in our power to put a stop to it.

      So that's about it.
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      None of the above

      Well, I would choose the fifth option if it didn't have "common ownership" in it, and "everyone works together to provide for each other's needs" was clarified to mean free markets.
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      How is that free market?

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      Looks like I chose the fourth option... Along with everyone else.

      IMO and from what I've heard, our government (Canada) spends way too much on the military, and were in Iraq for way too long. We have practically no useful green laws.

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      Lol Canada spends a penny on military compared to what the US spends.

      And in the us, republicans are constantly trying to dismantle any laws that protect the enviornment. My dads job is just that, to fight against environmental protection laws. I find it wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      My dads job is just that, to fight against environmental protection laws. I find it wrong.
      Hoho, that must cause a lot of tension.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper View Post
      Hoho, that must cause a lot of tension.
      I'm not outspoken about my views with my family, I would be slaughtered xD

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      Only enough army to defend us.
      Alot of Privatisation, which means that businesses run efficiently and get the best deals. Customers get the best deals too.
      Canabis should be legal, I don't smoke it really but I've had it before and that is not a harmful drug.
      (Maybe: Alcohol and Cigarettes should be illegal.... would stop alot of shit.)
      The money saved from the army should be put into university funds so its not ridiculously expensive)
      I have mixed thoughts on the NHS, I respect the fact that its free, but I think there is alot of waste in government run organisations.

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      This is an extremely parochial approach to politics. :/

      You've lumped disparate philosophies together just because they tend to be lumped together where you live due to historical idiosyncrasies; this just doesn't work elsewhere. How would wanting small government imply not wanting abortion?

      Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper View Post
      As for using the military only for defense, I agree for the most part. But I think some exceptions should be made in certain circumstances. For instance, when Hitler and the Nazi party gained control of Germany and began persecuting anyone they deemed inferior to themselves and shortly after, invaded Poland, I don't think it would have been right for us to stand back and do nothing. When such terrible acts against humanity are committed, I believe we should do whatever is in our power to put a stop to it.
      So you think we should overthrow the government in Zimbabwe?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      How is that free market?
      Well, in the market, everyone is working to satisfy the wants/needs of consumers. However the word "indirectly" could be added for clarity.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      This is an extremely parochial approach to politics. :/

      You've lumped disparate philosophies together just because they tend to be lumped together where you live due to historical idiosyncrasies; this just doesn't work elsewhere. How would wanting small government imply not wanting abortion?


      So you think we should overthrow the government in Zimbabwe?
      I only have so much room and so many options. IF you have a differing idea then post it here but please do not criticize the way I made the poll. Its a pointless waste of a post. I lumped them together how they are normally lumped together. If you agree with some but not others in a category then state it.

      EDIT: And I actually meant to take off pro life.
      Last edited by Sarta; 08-30-2011 at 11:44 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      Well, in the market, everyone is working to satisfy the wants/needs of consumers. However the word "indirectly" could be added for clarity.
      Not exactly IMO, everyone is working to make money. And the way to make money is to satisfy the "consumer" so that they will purchase their product or service. But its all in ones own interest. It is not working together for the good of everyone, its working for the good of ones self.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      So you think we should overthrow the government in Zimbabwe?
      Yeah, fuck it. Let's go.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      I only have so much room and so many options. IF you have a differing idea then post it here but please do not criticize the way I made the poll. Its a pointless waste of a post. I lumped them together how they are normally lumped together. If you agree with some but not others in a category then state it.
      No, you lumped them together as they are lumped in US politics.

      I'm not criticising; it's just that you don't seem to realise.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      No, you lumped them together as they are lumped in US politics.

      I'm not criticising; it's just that you don't seem to realise.
      I do seem to realize but I only have so many options and I can't break down every factor of every ideology to satisfy everyone. thats why I said above, if you have a differing idea or think I categorized it wrong please just post your idea below without accusing me of incorrectly describing it. So what is your idea?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      Not exactly IMO, everyone is working to make money. And the way to make money is to satisfy the "consumer" so that they will purchase their product or service. But its all in ones own interest. It is not working together for the good of everyone, its working for the good of ones self.
      Hence why the inclusion of "indirectly" would be sufficient.
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      gotcha. But the problem of a stateless free market society is then corporations become too powerful and theres no one to check their power.

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      k tl;dr at your options.

      Laissez-faire capitalism.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seroquel View Post
      k tl;dr at your options.

      Laissez-faire capitalism.
      Can't please everyone bro.

      And why do you think Laissez-faire capitialism would work?

      EDIT: And ya know the first one includes Laissez-faire capitialism

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      gotcha. But the problem of a stateless free market society is then corporations become too powerful and theres no one to check their power.
      You know this how?

      EDIT: And ya know the first one includes Laissez-faire capitialism
      Government regulations on corporations contradict the notion of laissez faire.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      You know this how?



      Government regulations on corporations contradict the notion of laissez faire.
      It says that regulations restrict business, which means thats what the people who believe this think. Which means regulation is bad. I don't think I was clear enough.


      Because its happened before and now. When corporations are allowed to do whatever eventually one will become powerful enough to become a monopoly. Once that happens no one can compete with them which destroys capitilism.

      Also corporations will do anything in its power to make money. They will destroy the environment, they will harm peoples lives through toxic chemicals, they will go abroad and have people work for them in factories with terrible conditions with little pay. Etc etc.
      The argument normally goes that the invisible hand of the free market will not allow corporations to do this, but the problem is most people don't know what corporations do. So the invisible hand won't work if people don't know theres a problem.

      Therefore the only way to prevent corporations from doing these things is regulations. ANd regulations don't destroy capitilism. They just change the playing field.
      Last edited by Sarta; 08-31-2011 at 12:36 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Atras View Post
      EDIT: And ya know the first one includes Laissez-faire capitialism
      But presumably he doesn't believe in military aggression. -_-

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