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      Life after Death

      Transcending, Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, Limbo, Transfiguration... what is your religion and your view on the "afterlife" or the lack of it?
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      The lack of it


      Why else do we fear it so much?
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      A long time ago, the truth was known to everyone. Then one day, the truth became obscured, and then shattered into a thousand pieces, scattered across the universe. Those shards have found their way into all the different beliefs of mankind. Other beliefs are also built around those shards, and those who follow them take the tiny shard and all that surrounds it to be the whole truth.

      There is life after death -- in fact, some people have many; some not so many, but all at least two or more. Most have no idea as to the worlds that lie beyond this one...but the spirit, the eternal Atman is unbreakable, it continues throughout the cycles and Arcs of life forever, until all is solved and reunited with the source of creation of all things.

      I converted to Orthodox Judaism five months or so ago, but on the sly I am, and always will be a Seer; a perceiver of the true nature of the world and the beings in it.
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      The best way to cope with fear is denial. Fancy stories of "afterlife" is humanity coping with its greatest fear, death.
      "This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time."



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      The afterlife? There isn't one.
      At least not for me...because for there to be some kind of afterlife, there has to be a God right?
      and i don't believe in God. There is no Heaven, no Hell and no Purgatory. You are accountable in this life, and this life alone. There is no judgement day, every day is judgement day, when you have to live your daily life and weigh up your actions on a continual basis.
      We are born, we die, nobody knows what for, it just is.
      There is only the here and now, and what you know to be true. As in, that which you have experienced.
      End of.
      'all of the moments that already passed/
      try to go back and make them last.'

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      Yeah, I'm with Irishcream on this one.

      And just another note: People take life far too seriously - all politicians playing their little games. Why even bother... beats me
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      ditto to that...as a consequence, i don't vote in politics. I couldn't give a damn who wins what, i rarely read the papers, and when i do, i'm greeted with such headlines as that in yesterday's Sunday Telegraph: 'Dinnerladies to take exam to dish out the custard'
      Puhleease...
      generations of children have been fed on school meals and grown up healthy and strong. I've eaten my share of junkfood, but i did so much running around and rough-and tumble playing i more than burned it off...
      Anyway, re life after death...the statement about not voting my imply that i don't care about what happens in my world...but that's not so, i do care.
      I care about the world as a whole, and not the separate countries that are run by people.
      it's like i said, you have to be responsible for your own actions...i've often wondered, about people who believe in God...they say they feel guilty when they commit a sin, they say they have to pray to assuage that guilt...my underlying question is this: why, if God is all forgiving? and if you're not forgiven till your judgement day, what is the point of praying for it now, why not leave it, do it all at once?
      I asked this question in Sunday School once, and it was met with horror. As you can imagine!
      'all of the moments that already passed/
      try to go back and make them last.'

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      Finally, a Philosophy thread worth posting in.

      Originally posted by dreamtamer007
      I address this to the unbelievers
      Is it hard to believe we are here today and gone tomorrow?
      No.

      Now, what is harder to believe we came from nothing and were gone tomorrow or a life form higher then ours produced us for its enjoyment and we are gone tomorrow.[/b]
      The second one.

      I find it easier to believe that we were produced by life that is superior to us and watches us live and die. But if its true that a larger life form can enjoy us living and dieing then why is it so hard to believe we go on forever?[/b]
      Beliefs should not be chosen based on \"easiness to believe\". That's extremely intellectually irresponsible.

      I think itís far more of a stretch to believe we turn to nothing, no consciousness, no life at all.[/b]
      Well thank you for your opinion. Unfortunately, in philosophy you are only entitled to opinions that you can validly support.

      If we all disappeared today, you mean there would be no intelligent life? If thatís true then were did we come from? Nothingness.[/b]
      Not necessarily and yes.

      You none believers forget the first fundamental law of lucid dreaming. If you believe it is so, it is.[/b]
      Lucid dreaming has absolutely nothing to do with universal truths.

      Why do I remind you of your reason for being at this site? Because you non-believers make me sick. This is the last time I will contribute to your childish opinions.[/b]
      Whoa, that's kinda harsh.

      One scripture then I am finished. They have seen my creation, and will have no excuse.[/b]
      The Bible is trash.
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      Originally posted by dreamtamer007
      Enjoy your time in the molten lava like lake of fire that awaits you for a very long time if you donít repent bradybaker
      Ya know, d-tamer, as Shakespeare once wrote in Macbeth: "Methinks the lady does protest too much". The more of that kind of talk you spew, the more you discredit your beliefs. Sad, but true.
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      I do not wish to hear about the moon from someone who has not been there.
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      Originally posted by dreamtamer007
      It was don in love. He is offered a chance to repent. That post wasnít there but a couple of minutes and he was the first to respond. I guess the wittle man with the widdle cape got his widdle goat.
      I reiterate, the more you talk like that and try to influence others like that, the less that even people who do believe will believe you -- unless they're hypnotized or something. No I think he's just ignoring you out of annoyance or apathy. No need to gloat, cape-boy.
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      Originally posted by dreamtamer007
      Well all you nonbelievers talk about freedom of speech and all
      Oh you were right there is no god. Please forgive me? STICK IT IN A PIPE AND SMOKE IT
      Yeah, but I assumed you were going for "convincing"; was just trying to give you a few pointers there.

      If that's a polite way of telling me to shove it, well then...yeah.
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      You tell um cape man!!
      I don't talk a lot although some say I do aaa
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      Originally posted by dreamtamer007
      Enjoy your time in the molten lava like lake of fire that awaits you for a very long time if you donít repent bradybaker
      I'll take my chances. Unlike yourself, fear of eternal damnation isn't enough to brainwash me.
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      Originally posted by bradybaker
      I'll take my chances. Unlike yourself, fear of eternal damnation isn't enough to brainwash me.
      Heh, you tell 'em, brady!
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      Originally posted by bradybaker

      I'll take my chances. Unlike yourself, fear of eternal damnation isn't enough to brainwash me.
      exactly. The time to take chances is now, while you're still alive. This is not a dress rehearsal.
      why else would we have the latin phrase 'carpe dieme'???
      'all of the moments that already passed/
      try to go back and make them last.'

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      Trying to force your religion on someone is just stupid Dreamtamer, you should respect the fact that some people just find it as nonsense

      He said that a book was trash and you replied that he would endure eternal suffering in hell.. kinda harsh

      Personally, I don't believe in any religion, I just do what feels right.
      hey

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      Originally posted by bradybaker

      I'll take my chances. Unlike yourself, fear of eternal damnation isn't enough to brainwash me.
      Interesting question for everyone (well.. unbelievers):

      So lets say tomorrow the christian god (as depicted in the bible) is proved (beyond a doubt) to exist. Non-belief (if you're intellectually honest) is no longer an option. Does the, now inarguably real, threat of eternal damnation hold any more weight than it does now? Would you worship yahweh out of fear of hell?

      My personal opinion is that yahweh is an ass and I'd rather not spend 5 minutes, let alone eternity, with him. But then again I also think that eternal hellfire wouldn't be that bad. Whats it going to do.... kill you?

      Haha here's a good analogy for hell that just popped into my head. Remember as a young kid having your hair washed and getting shampoo in your eyes? Hurt like a bitch didn't it. Kids just can't deal with that pain - there's whole lines of shampoo devoted to eliminating it. Go wash your hair now and get it in your eyes. Why doesn't it hurt as much as it obviously does kids? You're used to that pain now. Pain is relative to how much of it you've encountered. I think you see where this is going.

      What I never understood about hell is, why is your "punishment" eternal life? Why not just "destroy your eternal spirit" or somesuch mumbojumbo. That's a hell of a lot scarier. (do you burn for bad puns? )

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      Originally posted by ronso
      Trying to force your religion on someone is just stupid Dreamtamer, you should respect the fact that some people just find it as nonsense

      He said that a book was trash and you replied that he would endure eternal suffering in hell.. kinda harsh
      OK, YOU tell 'em, Ronso!
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      Okay, so maybe the Bible was produced by man. And yes we no longer live in the age of the Old Testament. And perhaps Christianity has become laughable and horribly off coarse (Trinity Broadcasting Network) , but just because one may be "turned-off" to Christianity because of it's current state is no reason to doubt spirituality or an afterlife. Remaining open to the possibility, I believe, shows intelligence above that of flat out renouncing the possibility. I mean, current science already seriously suggests that there are realities or states of existence transcendent of the world we see.

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      okay, one question: why has no one come back to tell us about it?
      'all of the moments that already passed/
      try to go back and make them last.'

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      You mean like a ghost, or a resurrected corpse? I don't know, but I have no problem with saying that those such things do not exist within the laws of our world. We're only given one perspective (as new science theories suggest) of "reality" but there are a lot of people who have a feeling there is something transcendent of our reality. Perhaps that is why religion exists in the first place.
      I mean, how would the skeptic (a person who believes our existence is terminated the moment we die) explain documented cases of people being able to speak unlearned foreign languages (sometimes age old dialects no longer in use) while under hypnotic regression? And these such things have been investigated by authoratative figures with credentials to surpass the everyday skeptic. I'm obviously referring to reincarnation with this example (not that I necessarily endorse it) but I'm not in a position to renounce it with such evidence. None of us are really in a position to take a solid stance against an afterlife, and go imposing that view to other people.

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