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      philosophy

      I believe in what works. Honesty, Awareness, Responsibility, Wisdom/Knowledge, Strength, Courage, Tolerance, Patience, Love, loyalty, Humility, Forgiveness, Service and giving without requirement. Overall I believe in truth.

      Sometimes love is not enough. You have to use the axe to clear away what is dead, to allow other things to grow. I desire freedom, self expression through all forms of creativity and the mastering of the Emotions. That is to move and inspire others through them. And so remind them who they are. To be able to use the power of true emotions for this reason and with the ease and ability to move through them, not unlike the way dolphins move through the ocean

      It is possible to conquer all negative emotions through the use of 'compassion'. It is a bridge, or the key to converting the negative.You can also conquer suffering through surrender/submission, and by living in the only time, now.

      the greatest gods are the ones who create the most gods. Not the ones who are worshiped the most. The nemesis of the church is Quantum physics (truth).

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      De ja Vu

      (I swear this has been posted before)

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      Haz I'm having a difficult time posting it, It seems to be blocking everything.
      anway, I'll try and post the rest of this.


      The will of the father (as jesus called it) is one with oneself. When you connect to it. That is like the divine will. The highest, your higher self. Without it your are nothing. It's very essence can be none other than infinte and eternal unchaning perfection. I see structure and order, I don't believe in magic. chance, or chaos. It doesn't mean I don't dream or respect the mystery in life. Purpose is what drives us. It is this very wave of purpose which the dimensions are built.

      The trinity is not 3 separate things but rather something that apears as 3 things. Like when you play a string on the guitar. It apears to be more than one string, but it is the same string vibrating, and creating the music. So the universe is one big playing of the chord purpose.
      The trinity

      light (outward manifestation of love, matter, vibration ect)
      Love (mental aspect of the soul, inner feelings, wisdom, intelligence ect)
      purpose (Driving force behind everything)

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      If you think that sounds like a being your right. It's like the holy ghost. Or what they have called mind body and spirit. The universe was created with infinte possibilites and potential, in which you are one. God had no perfect beauty because it is enough to BE god. And that in itself is the perfect beauty. You are an eternal, evolving individualized entity of this aspect, Your nature is decision. Free choice. There is nothing we cannot do be or have. There is only one of us. Everything is connected. The universe is like a hologram. As above so below. There is no test purity cannot pass. And Whatever it is that you admire it is that which you are destine to become. You will never die because death is just an illusion.

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      There is no test purity cannot pass. And Whatever it is that you admire it is that which you are destine to become. You will never die because death is just an illusion.
      Spirituality and science, law, medicine, defence, government, media. Education. The Economy. Technology, Politics. It is all exploited in our society under the rule of the dictators who now hide themselves under the illusion of democracy. This is why there is no world peace. It is not because it cannot be achieved. It is because the people are under opression and don't know it. Why would they fight an enemy if they dont think one exists? Do you know anyone that disagrees to world peace that is sane? Then why is it not so? Where is the co-operation? the vision? Where is the direction and unity?
      It is not possible they say. But is it possible to fix atleast some of the problems in society with common sense? Well pretty much all of them if you use what works.

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      We are all sparks of the true flame growing in the veil of the night. Children of the light. If you be not so pure. Best to fall back and burn in the elusive veil of the darkness, Then when you face the gates, claim for you are no boundaries. For you are the light, and if you believe with all your heart so shall it be opened.

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      Dont know wether all this should be in senseless banter or philosophy. ahwell.

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      I agree with a lot of that, but I don't truly feel like replying right now =P But no, it isn't senseless banter.
      "You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection."
      ~Buddha

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      It isn't faith that makes good science but curiosity

      I just finished watching The Day The Earth Stood Still for about the 100th time. Could not resist it.
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      "It isn't faith that makes good science but curiosity"

      maybe both.
      I remember reading someones sig. "Curiousity may have killed the cat but atleast it didn't die an ignorant bastard"

      I just finished watching The Day The Earth Stood Still [/b]
      I have never seen that sounds interesting...

      I have decided this is senseless banter. any mod that sees this can move it there.

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      Originally posted by NirvanaStarseed

      I have decided this is senseless banter. any mod that sees this can move it there.
      Hmm no I'm not going to do that. I dont think its senseless banter. Truth does not have to complicated and pages long, spirituality is very simple.

      I too, believe in 'what works'. Things that have a purpose, look at nature: everything has a purpose. Love works, love makes people happy, love creates harmony. Compassion works, compassion makes existance more pleasant. Hate in the end, doesn't work. Or anger. Their existance is required for there is no light without dark, and we learn from them aswell. But in the end, they have no purpose for you as an indiviual.

      As for your 2nd post, that was a less necessary post if you ask me. The simple first post covers alot of universal wisdom Im not saying I agree with every single thing you say but what I believe personally is partially in there.

      And don't say its senseless, its good to put down your thoughts and share them. Or thoughts and spiritual thoughts are never senseless, because eventually they will lead to greater 'truth'. Even though our thoughts might be (partially) misguided or not 'true' (if they are) they help us find what is better for us. Like when I think back to my 'spiritual philsofies' of lets say, 4-5 years ago I'm like 'god thats so silly', but its not. Or thoughts are ever changing and evolving ^_^
      "You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection."
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      Lucius Thank you for your reply it made alot of sense to me. I say senseless banter because it is random, just thoughts coming to me. Sometimes I dont agree with what I write either. It is not always how I want to say it. I can never write things perfectly enough. Sometimes I think I write things very wrong and I need to work on converting my thoughts and sending the message that I'm feeling. Both when speaking to people and writing. I express these things sometimes because to me it can be artistic and I can see value in it. Even if others dont.

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      Re: philosophy

      Originally posted by NirvanaStarseed
      I believe in what works. Honesty, Awareness, Responsibility, Wisdom/Knowledge, Strength, Courage, Tolerance, Patience, Love, loyalty, Humility, Forgiveness, Service and giving without requirement. Overall I believe in truth.

      Sometimes love is not enough. You have to use the axe to clear away what is dead, to allow other things to grow. I desire freedom, self expression through all forms of creativity and the mastering of the Emotions. That is to move and inspire others through them. And so remind them who they are. To be able to use the power of true emotions for this reason and with the ease and ability to move through them, not unlike the way dolphins move through the ocean

      It is possible to conquer all negative emotions through the use of 'compassion'. It is a bridge, or the key to converting the negative.You can also conquer suffering through surrender/submission, and by living in the only time, now.

      the greatest gods are the ones who create the most gods. Not the ones who are worshiped the most. The nemesis of the church is Quantum physics (truth).
      In this post you seem to pull out every word with a positive connotation in your repertoire and arrange them in a somewhat nonsensical order and provide no justification for them.

      The universe is a crazy place, there are billions of individual wills colliding and conflicting, every being in the universe wants to accomplish his goals, often at the expense of the goals of another. The only unity that exists exists because an action helps reach the goals of all involved.[/rant]

      Now that my rant is over I'll get to my disection of your post.

      You believe in what works, why do you believe that these things work? Can't things considered negative work as well greed, anger, and hostility have helped people achieve their goals in the past, haven't they?

      You say you believe in truth, I do to, but what is truth? Is it just a bundle of warm feelings identified by a noun, or is it something concrete and necessary?

      You talk of the mastery of emotion, but isn't it true that you can't controll emotion, only the way you respond to it? What makes an emotion negative or bad, don't they all serve this purpose? Are all emotions positive or negative?

      I do like what you say about the greatest god being the one who creates the most gods, it's interesting and it is similar to some of the stuff Nietzche says about religion, if only remotely.

      Your last comment about the nemesis of the church being quantum physics(truth) does confuse me more than a little though.
      Super profundo on the early eve of your day

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      Hey Belisarius

      In this post you seem to pull out every word with a positive connotation in your repertoire and arrange them in a somewhat nonsensical order and provide no justification for them. [/b]
      What is my justification for believing in these things? I believe they work and are close to highest will in the way that they are the wisest decision because inside us we have always been these things i believe but sometimes we do not remember this. It is my choice to believe this, and as you have the right to your truth I have the right to mine. It would take a long time to try and justify every belief I mention. I feel that the highest truth within oneself contains these things and are part of who we are.

      If you believe that you are greedy, unloving, apathetic, selfish, hostile and all those things,
      well it is not up to me to judge that. If you believe in these things, that they work for you, maybe consequences will show you that in fact these things tend to do alot of damage. I know in my experience they have. I have just mentioned what I believe works. I'm not saying you have to believe in these things they are my opinion you can go down any path you want to.


      The universe is a crazy place, there are billions of individual wills colliding and conflicting, every being in the universe wants to accomplish his goals, often at the expense of the goals of another. The only unity that exists exists because an action helps reach the goals of all involved. [/b]
      your only speaking of the ignorant ones. That create for themself a will different to the source. And that is their choice. There are many enlightened souls that understand and they do not go against the truth. When ones sees the truth one sees as one vision and there is no dissagreement because the truth is clear.


      You believe in what works, why do you believe that these things work? Can't things considered negative work as well greed, anger, and hostility have helped people achieve their goals in the past, haven't they? *[/b]
      I have observed the consequences of such things. What is the real consequence behind hostility when you really understand it. If you have hurt someone through the actions of hostility and greed. Are you happy that you did that? If you got something you wanted and hurt someone really bad to get it. There is a consequence of getting what you want, and hurting the other person. If you think it's great you got what you want, you may ignore the truth about the other person and what you have done to them. you do not understand when you hurt others it is like hiting youself. you may not see it right away, but the connection dawns sooner or later. Unless you are consiously ignoring it. then you are on the dark side and it may not dawn for a long time. And that's when you see the downside, the ignorance and the lower desire of getting something that you thought you wanted but the desire was based on a lack of understanding about what it is you are really after.

      You say you believe in truth, I do to, but what is truth? Is it just a bundle of warm feelings identified by a noun, or is it something concrete and necessary? *[/b]
      I hear that answer alot, what is truth.
      How can anything exist without it? 1+1=2 That is a fact. that is a form of physical truth.
      There is also mental and intuitive truth. but I'm not going into that.
      whatever your perception of 'truth' it does not change how things are structured and built, how things work. You cannot say truth does not exist. because then you say nothing exists. Then you deny everything. Reality has a cause and a purpose and truth is simply saying this is the way things are. if you think the conept of truth is a fantasy. guess what. that is your truth. So how can you have a truth when there is none? You are contradicting yourself.


      You talk of the mastery of emotion, but isn't it true that you can't controll emotion, only the way you respond to it? What makes an emotion negative or bad, don't they all serve this purpose? Are all emotions positive or negative? [/b]
      It is not true that you can't control emotion. You control it with widsom and understanding.
      and then you connect with your higher emotions rather than the lower out of control ones by ignorance. When the term negative is used to describe an emotion. I dont mean it is 'bad' or useless. It just means it is the other side of the polarity. without bad what is good? so is good really bad if it allows the concept 'good' to exist? it is just duality. It all has a purpose so I am not condeming anything


      Your last comment about the nemesis of the church being quantum physics(truth) does confuse me more than a little though.[/b]
      True science and religion have always been at odds. But they are the same thing eventually. When science reveals purpose and truth through something that cannot be ignored. Something that has real proof and authority. When spirituallity and science merge. The controlling aspect of religion and false belief is threatened, because what works and what is true can be seen as clear as day, and the religion no longer has any excuse to impose certain beliefs and rules that do not work, but only to enslave through the elite greed, a system of ignorance.
      it's authority is threatened. And people are then liberated. A higher knowledge is achieved. Wisdom and knowledge is power. You can not control someone who knows. That is why they are so scared of people knwoing and desperate to keep them in a rut. So they can continue to use them. That's why I am saying quantum physics is it's nemesis. Because it threatens to wake people up.

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      I know I make mistakes in what I say, so you can correct them and I welcome your view. I do believe that once we understand each other our truth will be the same because we are one. And there is only 1 infinte eternal unchaning truth that we know

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      Things such as greed and anger 'work' aswell. Like I said, they serve their purpose because it of those emotions that we learn to do the opposite ultimately. I think we cannot learn 'light' if we did not experience 'dark'. So they definitely have an important purpose. Much like war and hatred. But I still think that in the end these things are no longer necessary as when a soul reached a certain point it will understand the uselessness of them for it and its surroundings. But, even though individuals will realise such they will always exist, because they are needed, without them there is no such thing as 'positive'. And we can not blaim people for doing 'negative' as the only difference between people in my eyes, is time. (well and grey characteristics like pplay or serious, active or relaxed etc)
      "You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection."
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      Lucius agreed,
      thanx for your input.


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