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      Originally posted by WerBurN
      oh and Aphius, this thread wasnt about my happiness, just happiness in general
      Fair enough
      These are the tears that I dream about...

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      OMG. I don't know what to say. You completely robbed me of words, Aphius. You made me cry. Thank you.

      “Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are.”
      - Kurt Cobain (1967 – 1994)

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      Interesting repsonses here.

      I'm not too into love either. It kind of sickens me how society, and mostly in the movies and books, put their faith in love...every bleeding time! Love is not a faith nor bond. It's only a feeling and feelings between people do not last forever. They are wonderful and so on, but they do not last.

      There is something else there that causes my kindess, happiness and goodness, my faith in God.

      Sorry to sound zealous and all, but a religion that is a way of life such as mine, that spirituality of it that causes me to act good and kind only because that is what God loves. Even if I dislike something, I will love it if it is something God loves.
      Some people may not understand what I mean, but if something is a way of life, a way that does great good, then love and happiness come your way, even if there is nothing to be happy about.

      And that's how I feel about it, this is probably not an universal thought.
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      It's only a feeling and feelings between people do not last forever. They are wonderful and so on, but they do not last. [/b]
      I beg to differ.


      Ignorant bliss is an oxymoron; but so is miserable truth.

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      im with Paperdoll on this one, but this topic isnt about love...its about happiness sillies! ...but phantasy, you begin to see what i mean...you chosoe to love those things that God loves, and whether or not they make you happy, you choose to be happy about it, and in such, are happy...see we can create our own lightswitches! this is what i mean

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      I was really depressed last summer so I wrote this little paper. Its like a prep talk now. When ever I'm really down, I just read this and feel much better about myself and about the things around me.

      "As I sit here on the beach, I can only wonder. Is there something that I’ve been missing in life? I can hear it between the crashing of the waves, amongst the singing of the birds and behind the wind. I can see it in your eyes when it’s there and I know when it’s not.
      What goes threw the mind of a finch [bird] as it sits in front of me? Why does he sing when I’m right in front of him? It’s the same thing that is between the waves, amongst the songs, behind the wind and in your eyes. Happiness. Happiness shapes us and makes us who we are and what we do, but more so, what we will become.
      I’ve come to realize that nothing matters any more. I don’t need lots of money and a big house with a nice car. Nothing matters if I’m happy with who I am. The shirt on my back and the roof over my head doesn’t matter. I don’t need to be the smartest person or the most popular. I don’t need a good job that can pay for health care and has a good retirement plan. I don’t need anything if I’m happy.
      That’s what I’ve been missing and maybe you have been too. You really need to step back and take a good look at yourself. Look inside and see what really makes you who you are. Don’t try to be something you’re not, because it’s not you and you can’t live a lie.
      Now that I know who I am and what I need in life, everything will be much easier. It doesn’t matter if I bomb my next test or if I brake my arm. You too need to understand that nothing will matter as long as you keep an open mind and a smile on you face.
      The only thing left is faith. Faith in yourself and in what you can achieve. You should be able to over come anything with this faith, I know I will. With this belief set, it will help pave my way, no matter how many twists or turn I take, because it won’t matter as long as I keep my smile and believe in myself."

      -will.i.am


      I really like the idea behind the "lightswitch"

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      thats exactly how i feel will...only not in so many words lol

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      Life is what I make it will.i.am's Avatar
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      haha, I guess I should have made a short version for you

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      Originally posted by will.i.am
      haha, I guess I should have made a short version for you
      roflmao! ..see thats funny...cause im exceptionally short..get it? a short version for me? bwahahahahah

      ...sry i have a terrible sense of humor

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      woa, just looked in on this thread. Let me think about it for a while. I'll post my thoughts in the morning.

      BTW, Great thread!
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      -gandhi

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      thankies ...more input = more discussion and exchange of ideas, which leads to personal enlightenment of and bettering of each of our seperate worlds that resides in each of our seperate heads...when 2 ppls perceptions touch, if only briefly, both peoples knowledge of their own world they perceive increases...oh, right...ranting again...hmm no-sleep makes ya do that alot

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      Originally posted by phantasy
      It's only a feeling and feelings between people do not last forever.
      AHEM... a very wise (and rather dashing, i might add) forum member pointed out, a mere few posts ago, that there is indeed a doorway that provides opportunity for things to last forever. apparently you missed that. now you know. you're welcome.


      and this isn\'t directed at you, but to those that insist on spelling separate "seperate." STOP THAT! so help me, i will track you down and do very bad things to you if you don\'t! good day.
      Each new day is a chance to turn it all around.

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      Originally posted by icedawg+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(icedawg)</div>
      <!--QuoteBegin-phantasy
      It's only a feeling and feelings between people do not last forever.
      AHEM... a very wise (and rather dashing, i might add) forum member pointed out, a mere few posts ago, that there is indeed a doorway that provides opportunity for things to last forever. apparently you missed that. now you know. you're welcome.


      and this isn\'t directed at you, but to those that insist on spelling separate \"seperate.\" STOP THAT! so help me, i will track you down and do very bad things to you if you don\'t! good day.[/b]
      Lol, yah right....whatever!
      I just think that people put too much faith in feelings lasting forever. Because humans are flawed and people shouldn't put faith in feelings of a flawed being....
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      Originally posted by phantasy
      Lol, yah right....whatever!
      I just think that people put too much faith in feelings lasting forever. Because humans are flawed and people shouldn't put faith in feelings of a flawed being....
      ah, yes, but every now and then one of us figures out how to transcend our fallacies that otherwise bind us.

      p.s. did i mention the charismatic charm of that member i was talking about earlier?
      Each new day is a chance to turn it all around.

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      phantasy...i jus think that people get what 'love' is confused...in my world the word 'love' deosnt mean the same thing as say 'lust' which is what alot of ppl nowadays think of when they think of love...love is the desire to want to be with someone forever, love is the intent to make that persons life happier, and love is the comitment to stick to what they origionally felt, even if things change alittle...or alot...

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      Dude, you should read this story I just read for lit. You remind me of this story Gooseberries, by Anton Chekhov. Here. Let me get the book and quote.
      At one point the main character is telling a story about how his brother wanted nothing more in life than a certain farmhouse with this and that and some gooseberry bushes... and in the middle is this cool quote (even if it IS translated from Russian and therefore probably a slight deviation from what it actually says):
      ...evidently, the happy man only feels at ease because the unhappy bear their burdens in silence, and without that silence happiness would be impossible. It's a case of general hypnotism. There ought to be behind the door of every happy, contented man someone standing with a hammer continually reminding him with a tap that there are unhappy people, that however happy he may be, life will show him her laws sooner or later, trouble will come for him - disease, poverty, losses, and no one will see or hear, just how he neither sees nor hears others.[/b]
      not that it answers your question, it just came to mind because we just discussed it today. Maybe I'll let you borrow the book or something. but I do need it for class. >_>

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      ...evidently, the happy man only feels at ease because the unhappy bear their burdens in silence, and without that silence happiness would be impossible. It's a case of general hypnotism. There ought to be behind the door of every happy, contented man someone standing with a hammer continually reminding him with a tap that there are unhappy people, that however happy he may be, life will show him her laws sooner or later, trouble will come for him - disease, poverty, losses, and no one will see or hear, just how he neither sees nor hears others.[/b]
      that's certainly a wise and profound quote; it, however, makes the incorrect presumption that happiness is, essentially, the absence of "unhappy elements." (i.e. "How can one be happy when there is so much wrong in the world? Clearly only ignorant people can find such happiness.") I think that's a skewed view of happiness.
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      its not a skewed view of happiness, its communist! silly ruskis lol...j/k tho ( no offence intended to either russians or communists ;p )

      ...ya, maybe ill come to your house (i know where you live) and steal the book (i know where you live), then you'd fail your lit class, and i'd still know where you live

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      Originally posted by WerBurN
      its not a skewed view of happiness, its communist! silly ruskis lol...j/k tho ( no offence intended to either russians or communists ;p )

      ...ya, maybe ill come to your house (i know where you live) and steal the book (i know where you live), then you'd fail your lit class, and i'd still know where you live
      Yeah, but I could always um you know kick your butt.
      anyway, I was wrong, it wasn't lit. It was my fiction-writing class. x_x So I'd not fail that because I could look up the assigned stories on the internet or something, and since the grade is based on the writing and not the reading, and it's pass/fail...

      but you'd still know where I live :/

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      Originally posted by icedawg
      ...evidently, the happy man only feels at ease because the unhappy bear their burdens in silence, and without that silence happiness would be impossible. It's a case of general hypnotism. There ought to be behind the door of every happy, contented man someone standing with a hammer continually reminding him with a tap that there are unhappy people, that however happy he may be, life will show him her laws sooner or later, trouble will come for him - disease, poverty, losses, and no one will see or hear, just how he neither sees nor hears others.
      that's certainly a wise and profound quote; it, however, makes the incorrect presumption that happiness is, essentially, the absence of \"unhappy elements.\" (i.e. \"How can one be happy when there is so much wrong in the world? Clearly only ignorant people can find such happiness.\") I think that's a skewed view of happiness.[/b]
      I rather like it, because when you read it in context, and know the characterization of the brother he's talking about (a very greedy man who pursued his final goal and attained it by any means), it makes more sense. If you read the story, it sounds more like he thinks happy people will end up worse off than he, who is miserable, will, because when they fall, they've got so far to fall from.
      I enjoyed the story, personally, though most in the class didn't... meh, I don't know. I thought it raised an excellent point.

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      much like me...wow my life is gonna suck in the future...ive got sooo very far to fall

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      Originally posted by A Lost Soul
      You completely robbed me of words, Aphius. You made me cry. Thank you.
      It should be me who was robbed of words, I had no idea that i'd have that kind of effect. What i said was true and still stands.

      Be happy everybody!
      These are the tears that I dream about...

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      Originally posted by su&#045;chan
      I rather like it, because when you read it in context, and know the characterization of the brother he's talking about (a very greedy man who pursued his final goal and attained it by any means), it makes more sense. If you read the story, it sounds more like he thinks happy people will end up worse off than he, who is miserable, will, because when they fall, they've got so far to fall from.
      I enjoyed the story, personally, though most in the class didn't... meh, I don't know. I thought it raised an excellent point.
      There's no arguing that it's an eloquent, and well-written quote. I believe I've read that short story before in high school. Regardless, its message is still flawed and incomplete when removed from its context.
      Each new day is a chance to turn it all around.

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      Just because I may not be happy that doesn’t mean I am unhappy.

      That doesn’t really make sense but I just think there are different levels of happiness. I don’t think a really strong feeling of happiness could last forever, the sort of feeling you may get on your wedding day ect.

      On the other hand I do believe it is possible to have a level of happiness, which is maintainable. I think this sort of level comes from being happy in your self not through possesions and events.

      There’s no reason to be unhappy.

      No reason to chase after happiness if it makes you unhappy.

      Just be happy (not unhappy) and take it day by day.

      Actually that doesn’t make sense as well.
      He woke up; the room was bare.
      He didn't see her anywhere.
      He told himself he didn't care ;pushed the window open wide;
      Felt an emptiness inside to which he just could not relate
      Brought on by a simple twist of fate.

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