the philosophical western mind-set

It is a firm belief, of mine that we are in the last of days of the arena of man and his control over society. And how, we as Americans have been fully engulfed and indoctrinated by the philosophical western mind-set. Only able to see the world through the eyes of westernized civilization. And we as a country have fallen into a state of self-absorbed pursuit of greed, which pulls men apart, by defining them by their financial prowess, totally ignoring the true God-given nature of the heart of man,

Which give, without thought of a return payment, in a truly selfless act of kindness? as we use to present ourselves to the world in times pass. But, now we go about our pursuit of wealth, and power regardless of the state, or thoughts of those whom we take advantage of. Now, let it be understood that I am not painting with a broad brush, nor am I implying that this present Administration is guilty of these kinds of actions. But, now they have to deal with those of pass administrations actions, which were by all means in pursuit of their own legacy.

Selling the security of America is gone to the highest bidder. Of whom I believe, we all know of whom I speak. But I continue, in these last days. There will shortly come a change within the human heart of all mankind by divine providence. Not to say there will be a willful change, but a change for our own good none the less brought of a higher authority. And this new mind-set will began to permeate the minds of all mind kind. We are entering in to the place where our will, will be free from our reaping of destruction. As we have sown in our ignorance.

It is by grace that we have been given another term of this present leader, of the so-called free world. So, that we can take another opportunity to reflect, on and bring this new mind-set in to focus. If not America? Then who? Will bring forth the manifestation of which the Word speaks? To lay down the learning of War, and to beat our swords into plowshares, and to teach war no more. I know that most think “that’s a great fairy tale" but this is the real world!

But at the risk of sounding flippant "This is the world pulled over your eyes to blind you from the Truth... The hued nature of man is coming to an end. Man will be complete and whole again, as it was in the beginning, before the world was


The Rev.

Greed is a fact. You may dislike it from a moral perspective, but it exists in human nature and it can be used(and is used) to constructive ends. Greed is the driving force in a free market and allows humanity's resources to be allocated as efficiently as possible(or as efficiently as is allowed by States).

Spoken like a "true" humanist

I think greed will always be there, just as kindness has always been.

Mankind is indeed on the brink of a fundamental transformation. Everything is going to change, and unfortunately, the people in power right now will go to extreme ends to try to hold on to that power. It will be to no avail. The human spirit, the benevolent core of the human experience, will conquer the social machine. It must. I will give my life to that end, and I'll see you when the smoke clears.

Watch Waking Life, it is very hopeful and encouraging.

Waking Life is a great movie, but somehow watching it isn't the most cheerful experience I've had.

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I look at it this way.

Everyone has their own will(whether they think it is their own or not), and they do whatever they can to accomplish it. We all operate on our desires, whether they be for sex, power, or the betterment of society. You can try to persuade people to change their desires, but generally they will always strive for more power in order to achieve them. Greed is the desire for more power, and because people want to accomplish their will they will always seek the power to do so.

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Originally posted by Belisarius


I look at it this way.

Everyone has their own will(whether they think it is their own or not), and they do whatever they can to accomplish it. We all operate on our desires, whether they be for sex, power, or the betterment of society. You can try to persuade people to change their desires, but generally they will always strive for more power in order to achieve them. Greed is the desire for more power, and because people want to accomplish their will they will always seek the power to do so.

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“Will”
is a concept which can only be applied by those who are owner’s of themselves, one who is owned by another can in no way apply “will” to their life. A slave is not free therefore has not “will” So, unless one created one’s self, formed one’s self, birthed one’s self, and constrains one’s self. There can be no action but that which is under an element of influence beyond one’s control.

P.S. “And baby you isn’t it”

The Rev.

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Originally posted by Awaken4e1


“Will”
is a concept which can only be applied by those who are owner’s of themselves, one who is owned by another can in no way apply “will” to their life. A slave is not free therefore has not “will” So, unless one created one’s self, formed one’s self, birthed one’s self, and constrains one’s self. There can be no action but that which is under an element of influence beyond one’s control.

P.S. “And baby you isn’t it”

The Rev.

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You ideas don't really follow, and don't seem to be consistant with reality.

Explain to me why one must have created one's self(implying a causality violation), in order to have a will?

I'm not saying people have free will, but that they have a will(at least I do). All people have desires and a state that they would like the universe to be in, that is their will. You can say that people don't have free will, but not that they don't have a will.

To try to apply consistency to a perceived reality in comparison to the “truth” is not possible. “Free Will” by definition is the unencumbered action of an agent of no outer restraints. In this realm of perceived reality is not attainable without the application of grace unto the one seeking to be free. All of mankind is by nature a “slave” of the elements, physics, and laws of the supernatural realm, which are a part of the unperceived realm by most, and therefore can not be realized, be them.

And as we all know that one can not apply that which he can’t grasp. In order to possess “free will” you must know who’s you are and that it is (His will) which is applied and this created realm, and not that of the created. For God it is who is working in you both to will and to work for His good pleasure. The one who is still under the influence of nature of slavery, by definition is a slave. Hath not the potter authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make the one vessel to honor, and the one to dishonor? God makes whom (He wills) not you or I.

The Rev.

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In order to possess “free will” you must know who’s you are and that it is (His will) which is applied and this created realm, and not that of the created. For God it is who is working in you both to will and to work for His good pleasure. The one who is still under the influence of nature of slavery, by definition is a slave.

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In order to possess free will you have to be a slave to a supernatural entity?

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In order to possess free will you have to be a slave to a supernatural entity?

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No,
you begin a slave to your nature, only through a relationship with "The supernatural entity” can you be free, thus having free will…

But then you find that it has never been your will it is (His).

The Rev.

So in other words, forget the free will, we're all slaves to a "supernatural entity" anyway?

.... or did I read that wrong.

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Originally posted by spoon
So in other words, forget the free will, we're all slaves to a \"supernatural entity\" anyway?

.... or did I read that wrong.

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If you would consider being in love with Him slavery, then yes, I am His slave!

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If you would consider being in love with Him slavery, then yes, I am His slave![/b]

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Amen brother! I myself am a slave to asian porn and lsd...therein lies my love. :ohyahbaby:

You look like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs in churh in this pic (Xmas '04 @ with my younger brother during his son's Christianing.)

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You look like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs in churh in this pic (Xmas '04 @ with my younger brother during his son's Christianing.)[/b]

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Here is the picture in reference:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4576/menbro8bb.jpg

And you are correct...good thing the church had a lightning rod. :wink:

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