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It gave me a smile, OneUp, imagining people at death, realizing that there was more, and how excited they would feel. |
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You are not your thoughts...
Whatever happens when we die, I really wish there are people filming our entry into the "afterlife". Because I would watch that. |
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Disclaimer: the following text is based on my own set of beliefs that I have created through observation, intuition, and logic. I don't ask you to believe it, but if you are curious as to how I came to these conclusions I will be happy to explain: |
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Birds of the night..
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This tends to be a hard thing to discuss... Here's what I think |
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I don't know if you were responding to the OP or to the present conversation Whatsnext because both make sense. What I was saying though, is that however elegant the idea that our particles and the potential energy that is stored in our bodies has and will always exist, it seems very besides the point, because what is relevant is our "whole temporary form/our identity/our self" and not the skin particles that make up most of our domestic dust. |
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Non-existence is, from the way the word is used in this context, the inert state of existence that exists beyond the dimensions of illusion. I use the word illusion to qualify anything we invest belief or meaning to beyond the limited value of belief or meaning it's capable of offering on it's own. When mapping out an existence/non-existence dichotomy, this includes everything one would label as existence, as existence when compared to an opposite must mean everything perceivable and everything perceivable remains inconsistent. Consistency is truth, and only that which falls outside of definition or perception can remain consistent. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I was responding to the OP. My point is that existence in this context is a bit of a red herring in the first place, since consciousness is a property of a certain organization of things rather than a thing in its own right. I guess I would say that the China brain is conscious in the same way a human is, but that consciousness is, as is much easier to appreciate in that particular scenario, illusory. |
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I like that you brought up the China Brain. I searched it and it happens to be one of the things I imagine "God" to be. |
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I also don't agree with the standard buddhist nirvana, because don't you just get that same thing when you die? Sure your sensory perception is cut, but that doesn't necessarily mean your awareness is gone. That is why I think that we should live our lives, and experience all the emotion and beauty of the world, but not to let it affect us. We are rocks in the river of live, and my goal is to let the water flow around and over me, instead of moving me. |
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Well, see, I am not sure I understand how one can or why one should "live our lives, and experience all the emotion and beauty of the world, but not to let it affect us." |
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lol people are still discussing this, I have a lot of catching up to do |
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The way I heard it is that once the work is done and a monastic has moved beyond "form" they now can move through form freely. They can "merge," undetected, into a (real, living) horse, then migrating bird, elephant, human (and on and on) and return to formlessness (nonexistence) at any moment. |
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When you are playing on a playground you will sometimes hurt yourself. You can either freak out, or get over and forget about the pain and move on. The playground will certainly give you some scrapes and bruises, but it is your choice whether you want to acknowledge them or not. |
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Pain is to the body what crying is to a baby. To ignore it is negligence. But to be aware that the baby is not you, and so you don't have to panic when taking care of it is merely something that any sane people do. |
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Ya I agree with this. I guess the simplest way to describe what I am talking about is that our entire reality is completely absurd and you don't really need to take it seriously. Everything we experience is just sensory input, which may or may not correspond with the real world. Assuming it does, you still can't be sure whether the world and your consciousness are real or just some kind of illusion or emergent trait of some system. You don't know what will happen when you die. You can't be sure that you don't "die" every time you sleep from interrupting your mental stream. The list of reasons why the real world has no significance goes on and on, probably infinitely. |
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The belief that life and death are separate are just another persistent of our illusory reality. In a world where paradox is truth, to understand death we must ask what it means to be alive? |
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Or... what if when we die we are just re-incarnated in another conscious and sentient form, be it human or alien. Then all there is to the univer and everything is consciousness. Consciousness is everything, and experience is consciousness. It is a freely flowing freely like a stream, and like the stream and its ripples we see each peak and trough, through our conscious medium. We are born and we die, and the cycle repeats and over an infinite interval of time what do we have? Pure consciousness, an assimilation of atoms, protons, electrons, quarks, etc, trying to understand its existence over an interval of time... and in each existence, every time without fail, it finds itself in complete distraught trying to understand its own nature, but realizing that with each thing it knows about itself and its existence, more questions are raised... the universe is trying to understand itself, and to do it it needs consciousness - that is it. But the irony and the paradox is that the consciousness gets lost in its own complexity over the infinite interval of time - sageous claims that all of time is condensed to one moment - which is true, and exactly equivalent to saying it is contained in an infinite interval - at both a singularity, and every point on the plane. |
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I only really read the first page of the post (I'm lazy like that at night) and so I'll just give my two cents on things, and wish to apologize in advance if I am ignoring or interrupting any good discussion that is going on now on this page. |
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the concept is sadly quite complicated actually (atleast in my opinion). See how i see it, you can't experience non-existence because to experience nothing, you have to be experiencing that your experiencing noting. Logic literally gets in the way of every theory someone makes. I'm not going to go over aall the rebirst, heaven and hell or death is an illusion theories. The fact is that the most possible theory which is nothing happens when you die is impossible. Think of it like this, When your brain decomposes you lose mental state of mind because wyou can't think with no brain. You need a mental state of mind to recognise a physical state of mind and to recognise a physical state of mind you need to have a mental state of of mind, it just keeps cycling over and over again (This is why getting born is also a little trippy to me).But now think of nothing, right now what are you thinking when you think of nothing? Most likely either pitch black or pitch white. Well the problem is to see these things you need a mental state of mind and to be experiencing them physicall you need a physical state of mind. So to experience nothing, something is needed to be experienced. |
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