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      Should We rebuild New Orleans?

      I think not.

      Well........?

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      Well it might be a good idea to put it in a better location.

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      I think it should be rebuilt, but not too the same degree it once was. In other words, recreate the atmosphere, but on a smaller scale.

      Also, it should be rebuilt (partly by the Fed. govt.) better than before. By this, I mean addressing the issues of economic returns and safety in order to prevent that level of destruction from happening again.

      I've been to N.O. a number of times (during Mardi Gras) and found it a great place to visit. Would I, personally, live there? Probably not, but it would be ashame to lose a city with such cultural importance.

      Besides, if we don't rebuild New Orleans, the bead industry would suffer greatly.
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      Absolutely! It is the most awesome city in the world, other than maybe Amsterdam and Vancouver, and it has major historic significance. You can't put New Orleans in a new location. Any city in a different location wouldn't be New Orleans. Too much cool stuff has happened where it is right now for it to not be built back in its real place. But this time, that damn levee needs to be built to withstand a category 5 hurricane, not just a category 3. Leaving that levee in the state it was in, even after the Discovery Channel did a documentary years ago on how a category 4 hurricane would break the levee and flood New Orleans, is possibly the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard of.

      Positive footnote: The French Quarter was not destroyed.
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      I think it is poposturous to even think about rebuilding. If they were to rebuild the majority of the city on higher ground then the wetlands thet they had destroyed in the first place would act as a very good buffer zone for hurricanes. Granted the levees may have not been up to standard. But that in itself ais a great expense that would not need to be a burden on the goevernment or should I say us John Q tax payer.
      And the thing is it is not if it will happen agian it is when. So why should tax payers have to pay for a city that would inevitably be put in harms way?
      Just a beach front homes. Build them just do do it all over again. I just don't get it.
      Although it may be an historic city I think logic needs to overseed it in this case.

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      Originally posted by Alex D
      Well it might be a good idea to put it in a better location.
      move it? u mean we pick it up or do we replace some city in kansas with the name New Orlens?

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      But Howetzer, that's like saying Not to rebuild New York if it gets wiped off the face of the earth by a nuclear strike. A city like New Orleans is a great and (as stated by someone else) significant part of our nation's history. Simply the idea of it should be enough for John Q not to mind contributing to the cause. A part of America's heart is in New Orleans. Who better to contribute the (relatively small) monetary (sp) sacrifice than those who wish to proclaim their nationalism. What would you do with it? Leave it as a barren wasteland? A marsh? What about all those people who's entire bloodline goes back through the years of New Orleans existence? I can only speak for myself, but I'd feel, morally, like I was abandoning my brother in a time when we're supposed to be lifting each other's morale and showing that whatever oppressed (sp) us couldn't keep us down.
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      The industrial complex and port needs to be rebuilt. I'm getting hurt every day since much of my product was landed in the port of NO.

      The French Quarter and the older parts of the city were built on higher ground. They weren't nearly as stupid or corrupt as the subsequent "modern" governments there have been.

      The city proper? Nuke it and start over somewhere else. Just not here in CA.

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      Yes it should be rebuilt. But this time make the levee system better, increase the number of water pumps in the city and create a system that would ensure the pumps work through a storm whether power goes out or not. Also it would be a great idea to not build anymore housing projects.

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      Originally posted by Oneironaut+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oneironaut)</div>
      But Howetzer, that's like saying Not to rebuild New York if it gets wiped off the face of the earth by a nuclear strike. A city like New Orleans is a great and (as stated by someone else) significant part of our nation's history. Simply the idea of it should be enough for John Q not to mind contributing to the cause. A part of America's heart is in New Orleans. Who better to contribute the (relatively small) monetary (sp) sacrifice than those who wish to proclaim their nationalism. What would you do with it? Leave it as a barren wasteland? A marsh? What about all those people who's entire bloodline goes back through the years of New Orleans existence? I can only speak for myself, but I'd feel, morally, like I was abandoning my brother in a time when we're supposed to be lifting each other's morale and showing that whatever oppressed (sp) us couldn't keep us down.
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      That is not at all similar to rebuilding New York. That was desruction caused by other humans, wich we can try to fight the same outcome.
      With natural disasters you are just putting yourself in harms way.. And a wasteland--a marsh. Marshes have some of the most diverse animals on earth and are crucial to migratory birds. As our canceristic society moves into other natural areas will we claim them to be the same. Ofcoarse. Who's it going to be? The animals and natural ecosystem, or us.


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      move it? u mean we pick it up or do we replace some city in kansas with the name New Orlens?
      Yes. Move it. Like above sea level. What a concept. Will it be the same New Orleans? No. But as I stated earlier you sometimes have to give up pride and be realistic.
      Since the entire location was desroyed, rebuilding it would just be a referbished relocation of that site anyway. So it in effect would not actually be the same historic "site" as we once new it anyhow. So why not build it above sea level.

      And in the event we are billoins of dollars into rebuilding and another # 5 hurricane comes and desroys it all over again. We can raise our taxes and our insurance rates.

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      The decision has already been made to rebuild it.

      And none of us to got to vote on that decision, and none of us will get to vote on how.

      So is this topic about arguing philosophies, then?

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      I am reminded of a Monty Python skit.

      To paraphrase from memory:

      "All the kings thought I was daft to build a castle in a swamp. But I built it anyway. And it sank into the swamp. So I built it again, and that one sank into the swamp. So I built it again - that one burned to the ground, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one? The fourth one held!"

      Rebuilding a city that is below sea-level on the gulf coast certainly does seem daft.

      "More pumps. More and better levees. More More More"

      Why not just build a 12,203ft tall mountain of titanium reinforced concrete right there, and build it on top of that? Call it "The Big Really-Freakin'-Tough-To-Get-To-It". Or "The Big Tax Scam"? Hell, since we're spending Uncle Sugar's money, Why not just build an 80,000 ft tall 4,000ft thick wall all the way around it. All the way to the edge of space! yea! With airscrubbers! And lots of sharp pointy edges! With a dome roof and controlled atmosphere! Let's see Nature try to take a stab at that! HA! Call it "The Big 'Because We F*cking Can! So There!'"

      Yup! It's all free money anyway! Might as well rebuild it right this time.

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      Originally posted by Howetzer

      And in the event we are billoins of dollars into rebuilding and another # 5 hurricane comes and desroys it all over again.
      That is exactly where I disagree with you. The levee CAN be built to withstand a category 5. It wasn't before, and that is why all this insanity happened. Let's rebuild the great city and not make the same mistake again.
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      Yeah! What he said! Remember - it's all free money! It's not like it's going to cost me anything! [/sarcasm]

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      I still think it should be rebuilt, but I guess I'm a bit biased since I can appreciate the city itself and all the different characteristics that make it New Orleans.

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      Originally posted by Universal Mind


      That is exactly where I disagree with you. *The levee CAN be built to withstand a category 5. *It wasn't before, and that is why all this insanity happened. *Let's rebuild the great city and not make the same mistake again.
      I saw an interesting program on the Discovery Channel last night, that discussed how and why the levee system failed. It seems that it would take at least 20 years (a modest estimate) to strengthen the entire levee system to endure a Category 5 storm.

      Considering the Gulf's recent (past decade) track record, I would think that the likelihood of another Cat. 3 storm (or greater), striking the already vulnerable city, is very probable.

      However, I still stand behind my original post. I think the city should be rebuilt, but only the industrial/commercial part, and those parts should be built with the inevitability of future flooding considered.

      The first 2 floors of major buildings could be for parking, emergency generators required and placed above flood zone, likewise emergency water supplies in each major building. Nothing but parks, green belt, etc. in the \"low\" low ground, and just go ahead and flood the lowest low ground and make a lake for recreational use, or more harbor/port for shipping use, depending on where the really low ground is.

      In other words, keep the basic infrastructure (to include downtown) and reduce the size of the residential sectors.

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      Also it would be a great idea to not build anymore housing projects.[/b]
      I agree. Either that, or only let in rich people who won't mind having their lives wiped away from a night's storm.
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      Besides, if we don't rebuild New Orleans, the bead industry would suffer greatly.


      Yeah god forbid no more girls gone wild in New Orleans.

      I think they should make one big party resort. Make the lake like 3x it's size. New Orleans is such a great place except for parts of it. Kind of reminds me of a book from the Bible.Sodom and gomorah. Maybe the destruction happened for a reason.

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      Originally posted by HastyAngel
      Maybe the destruction happened for a reason.
      Umm, yeah. It did.

      It happened because it's a major city built below sea-level on the gulf coast.

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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      \"All the kings thought I was daft to build a castle in a swamp. But I built it anyway. And it sank into the swamp. So I built it again, and that one sank into the swamp. So I built it again - that one burned to the ground, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one? The fourth one held!\"
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      Personally I think New Orleans didn't get flooded enough. I think it really ought to be wiped off the map. Sure, that sounds mean, but it was a pretty lame city anyway. If it weren't for Mardi Gras no one would care. Besides, New Orleans was actually started by escaped criminals and ex-convicts as a place to hide out. Then the town developed. So it's really a city of sludge before and after
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      Originally posted by kimpossible
      Yeah! *What he said! *Remember - it's all free money! *It's not like it's going to cost me anything! *[/sarcasm]
      I think the government has some kind of money system. They spend money on minor things, like major cities of extreme historic significance.

      The thing about taking 20 years to build a good enough levee is the first I have heard. You don't have to build a mountain, and even that wouldn't take 20 years.
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      Originally posted by kimpossible


      Umm, yeah. *It did.

      It happened because it's a major city built below sea-level on the gulf coast.
      I hear what your saying kimpossible, I was just thinking on a deeper level. I believe you cant run fron carma.Maybe all of this was a sign for the rest of the world. Hell I could be wrong but just a little something that popped in my head.

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