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      To gracefully walk

      To gracefully walk within God’s expansive nature is to know that every desire of the heart is born of His very source of all created matter.

      To glace into its beginning, is to be reconnected to the source of all imagination, and creativity, which is the very center of the mind of God. This is the very understanding of the nature of God, “from nothing comes all that is”.

      Within this stillness is the vast mind of Him, Wherein are we. From within this source is an irresistible pull at the core of your being. This pull is one’s very own purpose, trying to resurface within this formed matter. Pursue it! with a hunger advancing more each day with purpose, to complete the desire of the heart, and don’t live by accident.

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      Look I have nothing wrong with religious people. I respect your views and I would like to hear them just as much as anyone else's, but when you talk in such a way as to make no sense at all it gets a little too much to bear. If you have something you would like to discuss then by all means share it with us and involve us in a discussion, because that's what a forum is about. Please, for pity's sake do not talk to us in a manner that assumes we all beleive the same things as you, not only is it offensive and patronising, but it fills up an otherwise thought-provoking thread with one-sided drivel.

      Quite simply the only people that listen to that kind of preaching are the converted, to everyone else it is very annoying. That's not to say that your opinion doesn't matter, just find a better way at expressing it.

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      Re: To gracefully walk

      Originally posted by Awaken4e1
      To gracefully walk within God’s expansive nature is to know that every desire of the heart is born of His very source of all created matter. *

      To glace into its beginning, is to be reconnected to the source of all imagination, and creativity, which is the very center of the mind of God. It is the very understanding of the nature of God, “from nothing comes all that is”. *

      Within this stillness is the vast mind of Him, are we. From within this source is an irresistible pull at the core of your being. This pull is one’s very own purpose trying to resurface within this formed matter. Pursue it with a hunger advancing each day with purpose, to complete a desire of the heart, and don’t live by accident.

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Rev.
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      Ouch!

      I would think that without the hope of eternity, one's life would be in constant obversance of the passing of time,because of the belief that it is running out for you!
      And sadly enough 'for you' it is, 'As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.'
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      Personally Rev I honestly don't know why they seem to be interested in lucid dreaming. It suprises me. But atleast that's one thing they believe in.

      You won't find knowledge by picking out what is false or wrong with everything that is said.

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      Doesn't make sense at all?

      It makes perfect sense. We are of God. We should treat life as a purposeful, fulfilling existence. What else is life but an extension of him?

      If you respect religion you would make a leap of faith to understand that it is more than just a justification of our inevitable deaths.

      Was that too preachy? I'm not trying to tell people how to live their lives, but, well, yes I am. I'm just not enforcing it. Have a wonderful life.


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      Originally posted by Awaken4e1+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Awaken4e1)</div>
      I would think that without the hope of eternity, one's life would be in constant obversance of the passing of time,because of the belief that it is running out for you![/b]
      And I would think that with the hope of eternity, one would spend their life counting the minutes until they get to join the almighty in eternal bliss.

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      Personally Rev I honestly don't know why they seem to be interested in lucid dreaming.
      Because it's, uhh...fun? Just like arguing with Christians.
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      People can assume the existence or nonexistence of god all they want but there is no way to know for sure so both are running the same risk of being wrong. That is until we die and really find out.

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      People can assume the existence or nonexistence of god all they want but there is no way to know for sure so both are running the same risk of being wrong. That is until we die and really find out.[/b]
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      Originally posted by Merck
      People can assume the existence or nonexistence of god all they want but there is no way to know for sure so both are running the same risk of being wrong. *That is until we die and really find out.
      Very true. I've never been very good at riding fences though.
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      Its funny. The original post was just about beauty. Yet if you were to start a post about the beautiful green grass and sunlight with a mountain view Etc. There would be no dispute. They would all feel like they fit in. Well the good news is they can. The bad news is they don’t. For the scriptures also says There are them that have the power but deny the power there of. They see the beauty of creation but deny the power that created it. Its like they get this bug when they can’t figure out where the bug came from.
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      Originally posted by Roller
      Look I have nothing wrong with religious people. I respect your views and I would like to hear them just as much as anyone else's, but when you talk in such a way as to make no sense at all it gets a little too much to bear. If you have something you would like to discuss then by all means share it with us and involve us in a discussion, because that's what a forum is about. Please, for pity's sake do not talk to us in a manner that assumes we all beleive the same things as you, not only is it offensive and patronising, but it fills up an otherwise thought-provoking thread with one-sided drivel.

      Quite simply the only people that listen to that kind of preaching are the converted, to everyone else it is very annoying. That's not to say that your opinion doesn't matter, just find a better way at expressing it.
      Yes... also, as religious folk, you often act condescending toward athiests etc. That is, act as if you are somehow superior to them because of your vast knowledge of religion. For example... in almost every thiest vs athiest debate thread (basically), a thiest often says things such as "once you embrace god, truth will come over you like a warm washcloth of orgasm." Seriously, that point is really getting old. Basically, when an athiest owns your argument through logic, the average thiest excuse will be relating to the fact that you have to have "faith" to understand the truth, or only religious people will know the truth. Often in thiest threads you use the excuse that since you can't prove god doesn't exist, there is a god. And when someone points out several points that can defuse the theory of god (but not ultimately removing it), you say that because its religion anything can happen. That, and refusal to accept rational scientific ideas.

      Sorry I felt like ranting because that whole deal pesters me dearly. I don't dislike religious people, its just that I dislike religious people that consider themselves clearly superior to athiests and who can't possibly budge on ideas (I mean come on... how can you not believe in evolution).

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      Dreamtamer wrote:
      Its funny. The original post was just about beauty. Yet if you were to start a post about the beautiful green grass and sunlight with a mountain view Etc. There would be no dispute.[/b]
      Actually the original post was about how those who don't have unwavering faith in God, and that everything, without question, is created by God, despite the human trait given by God that is to question, are somehow inadequate, or destined for much less in their lives, than those who truely believe. Which, if you ask me, is a little prejudice.

      While still agnostic, I for one don't appreciate being spoken of by believers as if I'm somehow on a lower rung on the \"what is my life worth?\" ladder. From a neutral point of view as far as the atheist vs believers conflict, I see much more of the double-bias than either of the two opposing parties, and while believers say enthusiastically how their prejudice is justified, as do the atheists, I believe Neither truely are.

      Dreamtamer's Sig says:
      I do not wish to hear about the moon from someone who has not been there.[/b]
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      They see the beauty of creation but deny the power that created it.[/b]
      If you ask me, these two quotations contradict themselves. But of course, no one has asked me, so I'm taking my sleepy ass to bed.

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      dreamtamer also wrote:
      Its like they get this bug when they can’t figure out where the bug came from.
      Well, you guys showed me!
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      What does this post mean? I'm going to try to pick it apart.

      To gracefully walk within God’s expansive nature is to know that every desire of the heart is born of His very source of all created matter.
      [/b]
      Is this really supposed to mean anything at all? I mean, I know I said I was going to pick through it, but I can't believe there was a real idea behind this sentence.

      What does,\"To gracefully walk within God's expansive nature\" mean. Obviously it has nothing to do with the physical action of walking, gracefully is thrown in to make the sentence sound more positive, but being within God's expansive nature might mean something like being in nature, the universe. Might \"To gracefully walk\" have something to do with having a particular understanding, of the universe.

      \"Knowing that every desire of the heart\" is plain enough, but \"born of His very source of all matter\" doesn't seem to be gramatically correct nor does it seem to make much sense. I suspect that it is a title given to god, and if I'm right the sentence might translate to:

      \"To have a good understanding of nature(created by god) is to know that desires come from god.\"

      See how simple it would have been for us if you would have constructed your sentence in this way rather than making it practically uninteligible. Now I have an Idea to grapple with, and while it still isn't all that substantive, it is understandable.



      To glace into its beginning, is to be reconnected to the source of all imagination, and creativity, which is the very center of the mind of God. It is the very understanding of the nature of God, “from nothing comes all that is”. [/b]
      This takes a little less translation, I might rephrase this as:

      \"Understanding how the universe was created allows us to see that God's creativity is central to his nature, and that the creative force, coming from nothing, created everything, including our creativity.\"

      This is a shaky and less precise translation, but I hope you get the idea I got from this reading. Another thing I wonder is: what is the rev quoting when he uses the quotation marks, none of these quotes ring a bell in my mind and he never references any of them.

      Within this stillness is the vast mind of Him, are we. From within this source is an irresistible pull at the core of your being. This pull is one’s very own purpose trying to resurface within this formed matter. Pursue it with a hunger advancing each day with purpose, to complete a desire of the heart, and don’t live by accident. [/b]
      This is perhaps the most vague part of his post I'll go through sentence by sentence and try to take it apart.

      "Within this stillness is the vast mind of him, are we."

      I don't think that's gramatically correct, although I may be wrong. It might translate:

      "In nothingness exists god, and ourselves"

      He might be suggesting that god and humans are interchangeable.

      "From within this source is an irresistible pull at the core of your being."

      I honestly don't think I can translate this into any language on Earth, but I'll try.

      "God influences you and causes you to desire." (a bit of a jump)

      "The pull is one's very own purpose trying to resurface within this formed matter."

      I am beginning to see some general train of thought forming here, but I may very well be reading too much into this.

      "This desire is within the soul, and is its purpose."

      I'll sum up the last sentence without retyping it(I=lazy)

      "Attempt to achieve this desire in life."

      So to sum up the whole post:

      To have a good understanding of nature(created by god) is to know that desires come from god.

      Understanding how the universe was created allows us to see that God's creativity is central to his nature, and that the creative force, coming from nothing, created everything, including our creativity.

      In nothingness exists god, and ourselves. God influences you and causes you to desire. This desire is within the soul, and is its purpose. Attempt to achieve this desire in life.


      Does this make a little more sense than the OP? I hope so. The post is still really preachy and vague, but an idea might be salvageable. Rev, if you could just avoid making your posts so nonsensical, we might be able to consider your ideas, but your words really mean nothing to some, and different things to others. They are so vague that someone could probably take them to mean the opposite of what translated and everything in between. If you could just slow down and maybe even try to write for a child-like audience it would really improve this forum.
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      Nice work! I tried but couldn't make sense of it. The postmodernism essay generator makes more sense to me.

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      That's as good as any I've seen yet,

      God is our center, and we are his, both in one, He is our heart, And We are His!
      Our very nature is of Him, with all of its vast ablity!

      Very nice!
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      If God exists, he's an asshole.
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      At the end of the day we are all the same inside. We are all in search of our origin. ‘From whence we came.’ Even if we refuse the glimpses we are given in our hearts. The source from which we come ‘is calling us back to our afore-appointed place.’ Only our belief in that place will determent our final destination.

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      Originally posted by bradybaker
      If God exists, he's an asshole.
      Reminds me of that George Carlin quote:

      "The longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize that something is definitely wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the ice capades.
      Between you and me, in any decently-run universe this guy would have been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago.
      And I say this guy because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever screw things up this badly."



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      dreamtamer also wrote:
      Its like they get this bug when they can’t figure out where the bug came from.
      Well, you guys showed me! [/b]
      ....Let us overlook the part where I corrected you on what the first post was about....
      ....Let us overlook how I was trying to remain neutral, and was still grouped together with all others as "you guys"
      ....Let us overlook the fact that you have an arrogant, holier-than-thou Signature that is inconsistent with your own words. You don't want to hear about the moon from someone who has never seen it, but go around belittling the beliefs of others simply because they don't have Faith in something You Don't Even Have Proof Exists. (..mic check...is this damn thing even on?)
      ....Let us overlook that all of my Very Reasonable questions on the evolution thread were ignored by everyone who 'has complete faith' and I'm sure will say 'COULD' answer all of those questions logically if they didn't have some tired, self-righteous reason why they are not going to.
      ....Let us overlook that Nirvana's not understanding why anyone who doesn't have complete Faith has interest in lucid dreaming is a very good example of the near-sightedness I've seen coming from the side of the arguement which is Supposed to be the most "enlightened." (No personal offense meant, Nirvana, that was simply not one of your better perspectives.)

      ....and skip directly to dreamtamer countering my, rather offenseless, attention to his inconsistency with no acklowledgement of my points whatsoever, and a self-quote that has Absolutely nothing to do with the point that I'd made. (Which is why the quote wasn't in my last post.


      Once again, someone who has never seen the moon cannot tell you about the moon, but you have the nerve to walk around degrading those who aren't fully faithful of a God that even you Only Know Exists Through Scripture and Bias Catagorization of Positive Experience?

      ...is not your entire philosophy flawed?

      ...and I'd like an answer that has a little more solidity than that of an insulted middle-schooler, if it's all the same to you.

      Oh, and of all the George Carlin quotes that I can hardly remember, that one still stands out. Lol. That was a good one. 8)
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      When it comes down to it, there are those that think they know the truth but live in illusion.Or who choose to to some extent.
      Those that understand what they really know, and understand what allows them to know.
      Any finally those who assume truth is nonexistent or that it can never be known or found due to their lack of clarity about the source of the power.

      In addition labelling someone a christian, or an entire people as a bunch of christians is really mindless, as the definition varies greatly as does the understanding of all religions and people.

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      Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka

      something is definitely wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption
      Unfortunately it is all too natural to blame God for all man’s screw-ups. God gave the Earth and all that there in is to Man. And it is (he) who is responsible for the screwed-up condition this world is in.

      But for me to try and explain that to some one who has no spiritual center is like talking to a wall. All of the War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, and corruption are all Man’s doings. God promised to those who follow after Him, certain things, and also no the other hand He has also promised that there will be ‘consequences for disobediences.’

      Man is only reaping what he has sown in the Earth. Please don’t try and blame God for the acts of Man’s own arrogance.

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      These threads get kinda messy after a while don't they? After reading everything I have some more things to say.

      At the moment I am an athiest but that does not mean I have 'closed my mind' in any way at all, in fact I'd haphazard a guess that my mind is much more open than anyone with an unmovable, steadfast belief in either side of the argument. I think and look for a god in the world or universe around me quite a lot, and so far I have not seen one, or seen the reason for one. That doesn't mean I will stop looking - if I find evidence for a god I will by all means believe in him/her/it - but it also doesn't mean I should just say I believe in a god because others are saying so and calling me ignorant for not believing. I do have a strong belief in one thing though, and that is that people who are steadfast, unmoving and unthinking in their beleif or disbelief of a god are dangerous people. Everyone has the right to a belief, but when you start assuming that everybody else should be compelled to believe what you do, you present to the world yet another closed mind, and throughout history closed minds have done a lot of damage.

      So by saying I am curently an athiest I find it highly offensive when others assume that I must be 'denying the higher power/ the life force within us / the meaning of life' as if I suddenly became an athiest one day while I was eating my breakfast. Do no assume that I do not put a lot of thought behind my beliefs.
      While I do not believe in a god, I do beleive that spirituality has a place in society, and that religion played a big part in the development of civilisation, so I find it equally offensive when other people assume that because logic denies a higher being, all spirituality in any form is deluded, ancient and ignorant.

      Effectively, comments like this:
      Originally posted by Awaken4e1
      But for me to try and explain that to some one who has no spiritual center is like talking to a wall.
      make me quite angry.

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