^^ In all honesty, I didn't give a thought to your tone, Dthoughts; only your words... if you don't want me to respond as I did, then I think (and I say this in all friendliness, with zero anger or condescension) it would be a great idea if you were more direct, and say what you mean the first time around so I don't have to waste my time telling you things that apparently didn't relate to what you meant. That said, I'll go around one more time, in spite of the fact that the specifics from my list are really not the point I was trying to make (as I believe you know).
Originally Posted by Dthoughts
You seem to misinterpret my tone again. This happened before. Let me be clear. When I said you never explicitly said you viewed video games as 'negative'.
I did not mean to say that it is in any way negative. Or that I disagree. I literally meant the sentence, in short; "You believe video games are 'negative'.
You might read the word and feel a certain tone that I did not mean to put in there. I was aware when I wrote them, I just believed the sentence would suffice as it stands. I also had no alternative sentence that would have been more ideal.
I still have no idea what you're talking about, then .
I don't believe that video games are negative, just as I did not intend that "Blunt Aliveness" list to be a list of negatuve or bad things; they're just things that, if you think about them, might just blunt aliveness... some of them are pretty fun, usefuil, and can even be enlightening (i.e., meditation). So, once again, I do not believe that video games are negative at all; they are certainly not helpful, in my opinion, in the quest for feeling truly alive, or even in the quest for self-awareness/lucidity, but they certainly have their own value, and that value is one I appreciate.
It might be interesting to further clarify what defines aliveness. As you had not given a specific defnition for it, yet. And logically I would ask what is the fundemental difference then between drug-induced aliveness and real aliveness. If you happen to have an adequate answer available and don't mind answering we could have further delving in this topic. I might just debate it though
I think my post above was about as close as I can get to defining an arguably undefinable thing like "aliveness." I said what I did to indicate that aliveness is a feeling, perhaps a visceral sensation, of the presence of your physical self in this world, the fragility of that presence, the potential power of that presence, and the joy or fear (and everything between) that presence can generate... basically aliveness to me is a real appreciation of your physical existence and the potentials of that existence. ... reading that, I think you can see why I chose to post what I did!
The trouble with drug use, especially the majors, like psychedelics or heroin, is that they feed you a false, perhaps artificial sense of aliveness that invariably takes you away from a real sense of aliveness: You could argue that, say, LSD will make you more aware of everything around you because, while tripping, you might tend to be transfixed by every detail of your surroundings, noticing how amazing so many things are... trouble is, when you come back from your trip, those details no longer exist -- because they never actually did. I'm pretty sure that Timothy Leary himself eventually backed off on his support of psychedelics for this reason. There is no argument I can see at all for heroin, because its high creates a sense of well-being that ensures you that your world is perfect, and everything around you is just fine -- even if you're shooting up in an abandoned house, alone and friendless, and haven't bathed or properly eaten in a week. So I think that the aliveness created by drugs is a lie, and a potentially dangerous one. [That's all I'll say about drug use, BTW; I've been down that road before and really don't care to travel it again; also, I doubt you want your thread to turn into a drug use thread.]
Our views may differ. That is ok. I am affected by Manly P hall's defnition of meditation. As I have run through 100s of hours of his lectures during the past weeks.
According to his words. I paraquote.
According to him it is done by embracing life. It is a requirement for illumination. Hence, I agree heavily with ur stance on the 'anti-thesis' of life. In my view, meditation is not done sitting on a rock. It can be done while doing ur daily activities (such as gathering food, building a home). The essentials. I said behavior simply to make it explicit that you can be doing activities using ur body while meditating. I don't know if I am expressing myself adequately.. Doing behavior and analyzing the behavior , putting more thought into why/what behavior you do. That to me is meditation. And I apply it and it gets me through life.
Yep, our views on this differ indeed. Nuff said, I think.
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