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My Great uncle was over for dinner tonight, and he mentioned something about society being worse off than it ever had been during his time, we discussed this at length, looking for the cause, but there was nothing that we could really pin it down on, I proposed that it's because the modern worldview has no solid morality, as opposed to the christian moral system that was dominant in the past, he didn't really agree with this(probably because he think's I'm bemoaning the decline of Christianity as he still thinks I'm a Christian whereas he's an atheist). What I was really getting at is that science doesn't give us answers to moral questions, and there really isn't a defined moral system that accompanies the modern worldview. This is causing violent and abhorrent acts which in turn causes fear which in turn causes isolation and more abhorrent acts. You used to be able to hitchhike, but now it's either too dangerous, or everyone believes it is too dangerous because of fear.
I think this explains the resurgence of evangelical Christianity and increases in the use of hard drugs, in the face of a moral vaccum many rush to Christianity, and many abondon morality and rush to drugs.
A new moral system must emerge, and I think it's going to happen in Europe first as Europe holds a thoroughly Western, scientific worldview, whereas Christianity still lingers significantly in the United States. I think the choices are rather narrow, Western society has had too thoroughly disproved Christianity for it to return in force, at least in Europe, Islam has a fighting chance of dominating Europe. There are so many muslims in Europe and they seem to be the only ones with a strong moral system, and everyone is afraid to challenge it for political reasons. Otherwise a completely new system will emerge, it will have to be something solid, and universal, but also something reasonable and scientifically acceptable.
I think we should discuss in this thread what this new moral system might look like.
I think it was H.G. Wells, an atheist, who during a lucid moment suggested that Western Civilization had no morality left except what was from the Inertia of Traditions left over from Catholic Civilization, and that with each generation, that inertia of Morality would lessen.. as you have noticed and pointed out.
No, I do not think Europe will have any special Moral Vision first. Europe, after all, was first reject Moralty, and through widespread Free Masonry has been the most in the forefront of rejecting morality. The Free Masons in Europe are far stronger than anything the Protestant Community has in the United States.
And I think you far over-estimate Christianity in America. For one, Protestantism is more dispensation against Religion and Moral Influence than it is an actual positive Religion. Forgiveness of Sin is too over-emphasized to for Protestant Christianity to be considered a positive moral influence. You can't tell people they are unconditionally forgiven of Sin without then supposing they might consider using that moral loophole. Simply examine the Morality practiced in the American Bible Belt, which also is referred to as the White Trash Belt. Incest, drunkeness, spousal abuse, petty theft. those are the poor Protestants. We know what the powerful and rich Protestants must think, since America's record for Business Practices and its inclination for Militarism is clear enough on the record.
But yes, I do doubt that any old Revelation could reassume much force. But all it would take is a new Revelation.
Look at the Our Lady of Guadelupe Phenomena of 1521. In just the next 10 Years over 10 Million Mexicans converted to Catholicism. This was not the work of Spanish and Portugese Priests (who did have to come to the New World in droves in order to keep up with the demand for the Initiatory Sacraments) but it was the work of the Native American gentleman who had received the Vision and was its chief advocate. Which is not to say that people simply believed in an empty story. Our Lady actually did visit those Peoples, and actually did support them with Miracle and Revelation, even to this day. Centuries of Prayer to Our Lady of Guadelupe are not continued from vapid and sterile force of habit only. People experience providential Miracles. What if the World in general were to experience another Miracle in the order of Our Lady of Guadelupe.
Fatima in 1917 came close. Portugal was then experiencing an Anti-Clerical Socialist Revolution (those darn Free Masons again), when Our Lady of Fatima presented the most spectacular Miracle in Human History -- the Miracle of the Sun. People from 500 square miles around saw the Sun gyrating and dancing in the sky, flashing colors and seeming to crash in toward the earth. The effect of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima was to stiffle the Revolution. Spain would have a bloody Civil War. Portugal would stay serenely Catholic and would be the one European Nation to remain completely clear of World War II.
But the European Press, well under the control of the Masons, was able to isolate the Miracle to within the Portugese borders.
If the World is to be saved by another Revelatory Miracle, we would have to have an actual Free Press, and not a Media Monolith that is monitored by any Secret Organization dedicated to the collapse of any and all World Regulatory Powers and Moral Influences (which are considered bad for business).[/b]
