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Okay everyone Im back and ready to discuss why I made this statement to paperdoll. Now a lot of you took it as being evil or mean but in actuality its not that. Its just truth. And its mean and evil because of fear.
Lets start off with your statement Lucius.
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Ah cmmon..dont tell that girl shes not going to heaven. Thats just mean >_<. Im not going to give my opinion about wether heaven exists or not..but dont tell a person he/shes not going to heaven and is going to burn in hell, all good hearted, nice, honorable persons go to heaven, or get what they deserve, something good. Wether thats trough heaven or karma..or trough the laws of the cosmos..you get what you deserve, and to tell her she going to hell, thats mean.
Shes not.Im leaving my own religious believe sout fo this right now.
but you go to heaven/receive good thing whatever by being a good hearted person, helping out others, being nice for others, raditating positive energy, respecting others, respecting the planet..etc..not being living strictly by the laws of..god? And certainly by telling others their going to burn in hell.. , dont be a meanie [/b]
I never said she was going to hell where did you get that from? I don’t believe in a Firey tormented hell per-say. The concept of Hell that you are referring to is Non existent to me. This place of torture is never mentioned anywhere in The Bible orginal languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic Scriptural writings.
As Paperdoll mentioned she believes in what is stated in the bible right?
Acts 2:34: “David [Whom the Bible refers to as being ‘a man agreeable to God’s heart ‘] Did not ascend to the heavens.”
Matt. 11:11 “Truly I say to you people, Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.” (So it states clearly here that John did not ascend to the heavens when he died.)
Ps. 37:9, 11, 29: “Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in the Lord are the ones that will possess the earth… The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” (This clearly states that all will not ascend to the heavens.)
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Notice that I highlighted everlasting Life.
First lets take this word and play around with it for a brief moment.
Life; Definition: An active condition that distinguishes plants, animals, humans, and spirit beings from inanimate objects. Physical living things generally have the capabilities of growth, metabolism, response to external stimuli, and reproduction. Vegetation has active life but not life as a sense-processing soul. In earthly souls, animal and human, there are both active life-force to animate them and breath to sustain that life-force.
Life is the fullest sense, as applied to intelligent persons, is perfect existence with the right to it. The human soul is not immortal. But faithful servants of God have the prospect of everlasting life in a perfection-on earth for many, in heaven for a “little flock” as heirs of the Kingdom of God.
Is Heavenly Life set out in the “New Testament” as the hope for all Christians?
John 14:2, 3: “In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be. “ (Jesus here shows that his faithful apostles, to whom he was speaking, would, in time, be in his Father’s “house,” in heaven, with Jesus. But he does not here say how many others would also go to heaven.)
John 1:12, 13: “As many did receive him [Jesus], to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.” (Notice that the context, in verse 11, refers to Jesus’ “own people,” the Jews. As many of them as did receive him when he came to them in the first century became God’s children, with heavenly life in view. The verbs in the text are in the past tense, so this passage is not referring to all people who have become Christians since then.)
Rom. 8:14, 16, 17: “All who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons. The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together.” (At the time this was written it was true that all who were led by God’s spirit were God’s sons whose hope was that they would be glorified with Christ. But this had not always been true. Luke 1:15 says that John the Baptizer would be filled with holy spirit, but Matthew 11:11 makes clear that he will not share in the glory of the heavenly Kingdom. So, too, after the gather of the heirs of the Heavenly Kingdom, there would be other who would serve God as followers of his Son and yet not share in Heavenly glory.)
Now if there is something you are confused about then I would more than happy to shed more light on the scriptures.
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Not to be argumentitive or such, I'm just curious about why you say this. ExYOu're right I just don't want her to get dissapointed when her times up. Oh actually she wouldn't be I mean you can't have feelings if you're not conscious. You know what when I come back im going to cross reference some things in your bible Paperdoll just to explain to you why you're not going to Heaven. See ya explanation?
This statement refers to death.
What is the condition of the Dead?
Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”
Ps.146:4: “His spirit goes, out he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts” All his thinking”] do perish.”
John 11:11-14 “Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep… Jesus said to them outspokenly: Lazarus has died.” (Also Psalm 13:3)
Is there some part of man that lives on when the body dies?
Ezek. 18:4: “The soul that is sinning- itself will die.”
Isa. 53:12: “He poured out his soul to the very death.”
Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
Medical Explanations of Life after Death experiences.
The medical editor of The Arizona Republic wrote: “When physical prowess is at its lowest ebb, as under anesthia, or the result of disease or injury, automatic control of bodily functions diminishes accordingly. Thus, the neurohormones and catecholamines of the nervous system are released and pour out in uncontrolled quantity. The result, among other manifestations, is the hallucination, rationalized after returning to consciousness, of having died and returned to life.” – May 28, 1977,Pg C-1 Also The German Medical Journal Fortschritte der Medizin, No. 41 1979; Psychology Today, January 1981.
Now that pretty much sums a lot up if anyone has any questions in regards to what is written then I would be more than happy to accommodate the answers to such questions.
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Hi, I'm new to this forum.
By reading this post, it looks like you are a christian, ShadowNightWing. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
I just wonder what you believe happens when we die, if we don't go to heaven. Do we get a new life, or is we only dead?
Just wondering what you think about it, ShadowNightWing.
Regards,
LDwannabe.
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