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      In the first sentence, I mean thread
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      3:00 A.M.

      Ok look it is late and I am tired and new to the forum. But I have a question, dont you two realize you both maybe right in one way or the other? I to believe the bible has been misconstrude over the years since it is about 1,300 or so years old. It is a matter of belief so dont kick eachs other's ass's over it.

      When I wake up in the morning I may post more. Depends since you guys post ALOT!
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      Re: 3:00 A.M.

      Originally posted by Nova
      Ok look it is late and I am tired and new to the forum. But I have a question, dont you two realize you both maybe right in one way or the other? I to believe the bible has been misconstrude over the years since it is about 1,300 or so years old. It is a matter of belief so dont kick eachs other's ass's over it.

      When I wake up in the morning I may post more. Depends since you guys post ALOT!
      [b]Nova
      Please feel free to post Nova, I would love to hear others opinions in regards to thier beliefs. Im not saying Im right in reference to all that I have posted here, but this is just my beliefs... thats all. This is what I come to know over the years.

      [b]Gwendolyn
      You have a very good point Gwen. Thanks for pointing that out. And if you have anything to add on your views please feel free also to post. Thanks!

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      Thank you shadow. Well, my view on christianity is simple. I am not a christian, therefore I am not not qualified to talk about it. I don't believe in God and I'm agnostic. I believe in reincarnation. But thanks for asking.
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      Well, I have to agree with Lucius way back in this thread about speaking from your heart.

      It's great to have any holy book really touch someone, but to go out and make enemies because of it...no....

      We all have free will in terms of beliefs.
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      I've said a billion times by now that people religious or spritual believes really dont matter anything at all, as long as they dont hurt others with it. ^_^

      If there is one absolute truth then thats too bad for that truth, as I will keep on going on and on following my heart, (try)help out others, try to bring peace and harmony, avoid conflict, live in peace with nature and the planet/all, I am a follower of compassion, not of a particular religion(though my religious generally are taken of buddhsim and taoism), and I will continue preaching it forever and will follow it forever, if I burn in hell, I will spread compassion in hell, wherever I'll end up in the afterlife, the next life(I do believe in reincarnation) I will continue this path, as I know it is the right path, for me. And if the god(s) or spiritual beings disagree with that, bring on their wrath, but I know they dont.

      What Im trying to say is..Im not afraid to do the wrong thing(well Im afraid to hurt somebody..but I know I dont inside), I know for myself I do the right thing.

      Here is my little tao side..when you can speak of religion and spirituality, when you can describe then its not something truely spiritual, true religion cannot be described, it can only be felt with feelings that..yes, cannot be described.

      THats just my view..and it will never change(radically, of course one slightly adjusts his views as one learns), and I know alot of people wont change their views either, and thats not my intention. THough its very interesting to me to see and hear other peoples views, its just fun to discuss it ^_^
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      Originally posted by Lucius
      I've said a billion times by now that people religious or spritual believes really dont matter anything at all, as long as they dont hurt others with it. *^_^ *

      If there is one absolute truth then thats too bad for that truth, as I will keep on going on and on following my heart, (try)help out others, try to bring peace and harmony, avoid conflict, live in peace with nature and the planet/all, I am a follower of compassion, not of a particular religion(though my religious generally are taken of buddhsim and taoism), and I will continue preaching it forever and will follow it forever, if I burn in hell, I will spread compassion in hell, wherever I'll end up in the afterlife, the next life(I do believe in reincarnation) I will continue this path, as I know it is the right path, for me. And if the god(s) or spiritual beings disagree with that, bring on their wrath, but I know they dont. *

      What Im trying to say is..Im not afraid to do the wrong thing(well Im afraid to hurt somebody..but I know I dont inside), I know for myself I do the right thing. *

      Here is my little tao side..when you can speak of religion and spirituality, when you can describe then its not something truely spiritual, true religion cannot be described, it can only be felt with feelings that..yes, cannot be described. *

      THats just my view..and it will never change(radically, of course one slightly adjusts his views as one learns), and I know alot of people wont change their views either, and thats not my intention. THough its very interesting to me to see and hear other peoples views, its just fun to discuss it ^_^

      I agree with you, totally Lucius. I am glad you have so much wisdom to offer us. Thank you. I think this thread needed some actual wisdom.
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      Ok this is what I believe....


      [list]That you belive Jesus Christ IS the son of God.
      That you Believe he did come to earth and died for our sins so that we may be granted everylasting life in the kingdom of heaven if we believe that he did it.
      I believe that the word of God (The bible) is the true word of God.
      I believe Jesus is the only way to get to God and live in heaven.
      I believe your suppossed to accept Jesus into your heart to wipe away your sins.[list]

      Thats what I believe.
      My world is hell.

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      Originally posted by Gwendolyn
      I agree with you, totally Lucius. I am glad you have so much wisdom to offer us. Thank you. I think this thread needed some actual wisdom.
      Okay now that was just wrong.. Why do you think this thread needs wisdom? Because 2 people are not dumb enough to be so easily decieved and small minded to fall into that "I don't believe in GOD crap?".. Come on Gwen. I actually thought you were making sense but now you're just speaking out the side of your neck. Im dissappointed.

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      To all you people who dont believe in God... Fine I cant change what you believe.... I CAN TRY but I cant force.... I just wish when you people argue that God must not exist that you pulled out some evidence that proves me wrong.
      My world is hell.

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      Originally posted by Nova
      To all you people who dont believe in God... Fine I cant change what you believe.... I CAN TRY but I cant force.... I just wish when you people argue that God must not exist that you pulled out some evidence that proves me wrong.
      That is why it is an arguement to no end.
      Prove to the people that do not belive in God, that there is one.

      Don't people find it very simplistic that if you are raised as a christian you will most likely be a christian. Not all the time of coarse. But how can there be much validity when most people follow a religion just because they were brought up that way.
      For example. If ShadowNightwing was raised in a tribe in Africa, would he be a Christian? It cannot be proved because it did not happen, but I personnally doubt it.

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      Originally posted by ShadowNightWing+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ShadowNightWing)</div>
      <!--QuoteBegin-Gwendolyn
      I agree with you, totally Lucius. I am glad you have so much wisdom to offer us. Thank you. I think this thread needed some actual wisdom.
      Okay now that was just wrong.. Why do you think this thread needs wisdom? Because 2 people are not dumb enough to be so easily decieved and small minded to fall into that \"I don't believe in GOD crap?\".. Come on Gwen. I actually thought you were making sense but now you're just speaking out the side of your neck. Im dissappointed.[/b]
      I'm sorry you are disappointed. Lucius said EXACTLY what needed to be said without making baseless accusations or being cruel to someone. And who is anyone to call another person's belief " Dumb" or "small minded"? My non-belief in god is of no consequence in agreeing with anyone, but since you think I have such a small mind, I'll tell you what I believe. I am agnostic. I believe that after I die I reincarnate. Although I do not believe in God, I do believe in a " Higher being" which connects all life forms to the earth spiritually. I believe reincarnation's purpose is to help us learn lessons. After one life you asses yourself, then go back to try again. I refuse to believe in a God that would make people the way they are, with free will and all to send them to hell after making a few mistakes. I believe in self-realization.

      Another interesting thing: What most Christians refer to as mankind's original sin is also symbolic to other people of humans branching from the animals, becoming better. Eve ate fruit off of the forbidden tree and gave some to Adam and gained knowledge. Couldn't an animal have eaten a plant ( hallucinogenic possibly) that led them to a form of self realization which gave them knowledge and they became a higher, more intelligent life form??

      As for small minded, call me what you will. I'll love you anyway
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      Originally posted by Howetzer+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Howetzer)</div>
      <!--QuoteBegin-Nova
      To all you people who dont believe in God... Fine I cant change what you believe.... I CAN TRY but I cant force.... I just wish when you people argue that God must not exist that you pulled out some evidence that proves me wrong.
      That is why it is an arguement to no end.
      Prove to the people that do not belive in God, that there is one.

      Don't people find it very simplistic that if you are raised as a christian you will most likely be a christian. Not all the time of coarse. But how can there be much validity when most people follow a religion just because they were brought up that way.
      For example. If ShadowNightwing was raised in a tribe in Africa, would he be a Christian? It cannot be proved because it did not happen, but I personnally doubt it.[/b]
      For one thing the parents raise their children with there religion because they think it is what is best for there child, Whether it muslin or hinduism.

      And your right about he would most likely be a christian, but it is easy to convert people from those kinds of religions And I know I am being bold in saying it, but most of even the elders of those religions dont believe in them.
      My world is hell.

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      Reincarnation? I dont know why you believe that......... I have challenged my own religion many times because I dont believe in things being what they absolutely are without som testing. Certianly you know...... nvm....
      My world is hell.

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      Originally posted by Nova
      For one thing the parents raise their children with there religion because they think it is what is best for there child, Whether it muslin or hinduism. *

      And your right about he would most likely be a christian, but it is easy to convert people from those kinds of religions And I know I am being bold in saying it, but most of even the elders of those religions dont believe in them.
      I did not mean to imply that a parents intent was not for the good of there offspring. What I am getting at is how can one be so sure of his or her religion when the basis of it can be so feable.
      And saying it is "easy to convert those peaople". That proves my point even more. If you can be converted ( otherwise brainwashed) into believing somthing else, how much validity does any relgion have?
      Someone earlier in the post said it was a crutch. People need an answer for death and through reigion they get it. But if they are happy then more power to them. All in all religion as a whole is a good thing for society.

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      It seems like a totally valid belief to me. Your beliefs, as mine have Faith invested in them. In that respect, we are the same. I believe that because I feel a connection in my spirit to every other being on the planet. I don't think you can argue that sort of thing within yourself. Like I said, I don't believe in god per se....I believe in a higher being which connects us all. Arguably, it could be a god-like form.....I could accept that....but most people's views of god are not what I wanted my version to be associated with. That's why I believe in it
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      It is nearly impossible to brainwash some one who is firm in there beliefs and have no doubt.

      What I mean by easy to convert is people who understand very little about there own religion because som,thing inside tells them that it isn't right.
      My world is hell.

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      I'm not trying to brainwash anyone. I want everyone to have their own beliefs. You change them because you truly believe in what you are changing your veiws for. And I am truly invested in my views. I believe what I believe within my spirit, mind, and body.
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      Shadow I myself am a little bit disapointed you would call my believes small minded and would imply that I am "easily deceived", regardless, I dont really care.

      My buddhistic and taostic god beings and believes are just as good as your christian believes are, not any one of us is more small or open minded because of what we believe, in a spiritual sense.

      I was raised among alot of christians(as it is the dominant religion in the west) but I followed my heart and christianity was not for me, but that doesnt mean its not a valid religion, for some people it is the right religion.

      Again, I think nobody, I mean nobody should think less of somebodies religion or disrespect it.

      And everybody carries their little part of wisdom, including shadow and evangel here, they too brought their part of wisdom into the topic for those that are interested in it. Just like Gwendolyn sees my views as wise some might see theirs as such.

      I really dont know what to say about this anymore, just go in peace and harmony, do good to your fellow men and animal. Be good to the planet and not hurt others. Have compassion.

      I hardly ever use any real religious terms of my spiritual views of buddhism and taoism, its I act that certain way not because my religion demands so, its because I feel I should do so, regardless of my religion.
      I could use fancy words, but alot of people here wouldnt understand it, but when I say compassion, harmony, peace they do, thats what I live by, and frankly my religious views are quite irrelevant, because they dont make me a better or worse person. They are there to guide me, to find myself, and to help me live by those values I have.

      I truely mean no offense to the people who disagree with me, I do greatly respect your views and I wish nothing more then you continue to practise your faith, as faith is a beautiful thing. As long as you dont hurt others you're alright in my book. ^_^
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      Your words have said more than any of mine ever could of Lucius. I completely agree.
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      Originally posted by Gwendolyn
      I'm sorry you are disappointed. Lucius said EXACTLY what needed to be said without making baseless accusations or being cruel to someone. And who is anyone to call another person's belief \" Dumb\" or \"small minded\"? My non-belief in god is of no consequence in agreeing with anyone, but since you think I have such a small mind, I'll tell you what I believe. I am agnostic. I believe that after I die I reincarnate. Although I do not believe in God, I do believe in a \" Higher being\" which connects all life forms to the earth spiritually. I believe reincarnation's purpose is to help us learn lessons. After one life you asses yourself, then go back to try again. I refuse to believe in a God that would make people the way they are, with free will and all to send them to hell after making a few mistakes. I believe in self-realization.

      Another interesting thing: What most Christians refer to as mankind's original sin is also symbolic to other people of humans branching from the animals, becoming better. Eve ate fruit off of the forbidden tree and gave some to Adam and gained knowledge. Couldn't an animal have eaten a plant ( hallucinogenic possibly) that led them to a form of self realization which gave them knowledge and they became a higher, more intelligent life form??

      As for small minded, call me what you will. I'll love you anyway
      My apologies that was a little off the wall.. I guess I get so wrapped up in people's missunderstanding of the good book, and christianity.. This was the entire basis of Me and Evangels debate.. Everytime I hear someone quote something wrong in regards to christianity its always christendom that they are referring to without their knowledge because they are not informed enough about true christianity..So they tend to link it all togehter. Well Christendom isn't my belief. Just like what you've mentioned about Adam and Eve, as symbolic as it may be we both know it wasn't a real tree that they've taken the apple from. Im more satisfied with the fact that you are not like most Atheist, of those believes that we just happened all of a sudden without no probable cause whatsoever, when all around us is creation this is the basis of our being, our existence, we are made in the likes of the father so we are creators naturally. Im not knocking what you believe and how you believe, I am in no way Like Lucius, I actually care about what peoples belief's are and how they believe and what they think about christianity. This is where I tend to overplay it. Tell me something Gwen what has gotten you so disturbed that you do not believe in the existance of GOD ALMIGHTY? Why because there is so much Chaos in the world? Because we are imperfect beings? Or is it because one thing is promised to us for sure in life and that is death? Oh you and I are really in no way different in reality.. I believe in an Higher Intelligence also.. I don't believe in Hell and I know that when I die I will not go to Heaven. I also do not believe in the Trinity meaning that Jesus Christ the Almighty GOD and the Holy Spirit are all One GOD. There is only one True GOD, thats my belief, and this is the basis of this thread, which should've been titled Christianity vs Christendom so that people can understand the difference. Once again Gwen I apologies about that dumb remark I made, and it was out of line. But Im really interested in understanding why your beliefs are that way. Im an excellent listener. And I Love you Too.

      Originally posted by Lucius
      Shadow I myself am a little bit disapointed you would call my believes small minded and would imply that I am \"easily deceived\", regardless, I dont really care.
      I know you don't Lucius, but I actually do care, Im saying that out of concern Im not trying to belittle you in no way. But I have a great concern about humanity as a whole. I care about you, rather you wanna believe that or not.

      Originally posted by Lucuis
      My buddhistic and taostic god beings and believes are just as good as your christian believes are, not any one of us is more small or open minded because of what we believe, in a spiritual sense.

      I was raised among alot of christians(as it is the dominant religion in the west) but I followed my heart and christianity was not for me, but that doesnt mean its not a valid religion, for some people it is the right religion.
      Lucius you and I have been through this before, and I do respect you, You know that. If you were raised by these so-called christian view-points what was it that drew you away from it? Don't worry you're not alone. I drew away from it also. This form of christendom that is so prominent here in the U.S. is overwhelming and I decieded to investigate and do some researching and just like you I've decieded to follow my heart and take myself away from Christendom, because it wasn't true Christianity. I saw why the vast majority were, because it's supposed to be that way. I could say the same as for alot of people who beliefs are christendom, that they are easily decieved. But Im expressing an opinion out of concern. I would like to hear why you've also taken yourself away from what you were raised under and decieded on an entirely different path. What triggered that?

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      But I have a great concern about humanity as a whole[/b]
      I know you do,I know you're a good guy and you believing something else as I do doesnt change anything about who you are as a person. Or as a human, or a soul. In my eyes.

      I would like to hear why you've also taken yourself away from what you were raised under and decieded on an entirely different path. What triggered that?[/b]
      To be honest with you, I dont really know, I cant describe that with words why I choose a spiritual point of view, diffirent, from what was common. To me, it didnt feel right.
      Im sorry I dont truely know how to put it, it just didnt feel right, and now it does. The puzzle becomes more and more complete now to me, and I feel very good under it.
      Like I said, religion for me, is hard to put under words, its a feeling.

      Its strange, its easy for me to describe the way I do things.. but its hard to describr why, and its hard to describe where all this flows from, its a feeling deep inside my heart, and all around me, I found peace with myself and my religion. My goal in this life and all the lifes I shall ever have is to help others, to reduce the pain in this world even a little bit, not to obtain the ultimate religious goal. No matter where I shall be taken, no matter where I end up, I shall live and die by compassion, I will try improve the situation, I will help others, to everything I can. And if my religion is not right, Im afraid that is too bad, I feel I can never be doomed, no, as long as I have compassion, amd love to give. Which I will always have, nobody can take that away from me.

      My true dream is to become a bodhisatva, one who is enlighted and could escape the circle of life on this plane, but remains here to keep out helping others out of compassion and kindness. I dont care how long I must stay here, be it a milion lives while all others pass on to new worlds, I will bring forth compassion.

      This might sound strange to you, but I am filled with it, and for me there is no other way then that way. And I feel asif Ie already found enlightment(I didnt but sometimes it feels that way). Nothing can stop me, nothing can break me.

      I indeed have respect for "the creation" and its people, more then anything, and more then anything I care for it, and thats why, I do, what I do.

      The name below my avatar, is a buddhistic god being, he is the manifestation of the emotion, yes, compassion.

      if I was a god, I wouldnt care if people believed in me, I wouldnt care if they worshipped me, I would care about if they lived in peace and harmony with eachother, if they dont cause pain to eachother, if they treat their planet with respect. And so on and so forth.

      Well, I should stop going on =P You get my point I hope, I really dont know what I am saying anymore. Peace ^_^
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      Lucius, you have a wonderful heart. I was reading your last post, and it really moved me. I know that my life is worth living when I come across a loving wonderful soul such as yours. There aren't many more in the world. There are many good people in the world, but the world is lacking in people with true altruistic intentions.
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      Thank you ^_^ Its nice to know that there are people out there who agree with me. Gives me more hope that some day, someday most of the people will think like that, and that human kind will live in greater harmony, all over the world. And I hope that I, and everybody who wants to, can play their little part in achieving that. =)
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      Originally posted by ShadowNightWing

      My apologies that was a little off the wall.. I guess I get so wrapped up in people's missunderstanding of the good book, and christianity.. This was the entire basis of Me and Evangels debate.. Everytime I hear someone quote something wrong in regards to christianity its always christendom that they are referring to without their knowledge because they are not informed enough about true christianity..So they tend to link it all togehter. Well Christendom isn't my belief. Just like what you've mentioned about Adam and Eve, as symbolic as it may be we both know it wasn't a real tree that they've taken the apple from. Im more satisfied with the fact that you are not like most Atheist, of those believes that we just happened all of a sudden without no probable cause whatsoever, when all around us is creation this is the basis of our being, our existence, we are made in the likes of the father so we are creators naturally. Im not knocking what you believe and how you believe, I am in no way Like Lucius, I actually care about what peoples belief's are and how they believe and what they think about christianity. This is where I tend to overplay it. Tell me something Gwen what has gotten you so disturbed that you do not believe in the existance of GOD ALMIGHTY? Why because there is so much Chaos in the world? Because we are imperfect beings? Or is it because one thing is promised to us for sure in life and that is death? Oh you and I are really in no way different in reality.. I believe in an Higher Intelligence also.. I don't believe in Hell and I know that when I die I will not go to Heaven. I also do not believe in the Trinity meaning that Jesus Christ the Almighty GOD and the Holy Spirit are all One GOD. There is only one True GOD, thats my belief, and this is the basis of this thread, which should've been titled Christianity vs Christendom so that people can understand the difference. Once again Gwen I apologies about that dumb remark I made, and it was out of line. But Im really interested in understanding why your beliefs are that way. Im an excellent listener. And I Love you Too.
      It's quit all right, and I commend you for trying to understand other people's beliefs instead of patronizing them. I'm not disturbed. I believe what I believe because I feel it. Like I have already said, I couldn't be a christian. I don't want myself associated with those beliefs. I'm not being disrespectful. I just couldn't believe that there is a God who would create people, make them like they are and send the ones who aren't " up to par" to hell. It isn't that I don't believe in a higher being. I do. I just don't believe in what you would call. I mean, I don't know why I believe what I do. If I could say it was anything, it would be how I feel the connection with myself I don't think it's fair to you. I mean why wouldn't you believe what you do? Because it's what you believe, right. I'm glad you have strong views. I respect you for having them.

      Lucius: Your very welcome. I just could not be happier that there are people like you in the world!
      Shine on, you crazy diamond!

      Raised: The Blue Meanie, Exobyte

      Adopted: MarcusoftheNight

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