Thread: Gays

Alright..I said I was going to leave this topic because its not going to change anyway..but I am always the one telling "To many people use *somethings never change* as a sad exuse to not try and change it"

I don't believe that a...REAL, STRONG chirstian would. maybe some, but, they are probably closed-minded and...not very understaning.[/b]

I think that would not make that christian close minded, it would change nothing about an open/close mind, being gay has nothing to do with that. But thats my opinion, but, who said being gay was a sin anyway? It was not jezus now was it? Who put that in the bible?(not attacking, just a Q)

think of it this way. if you were God. would you bring people to heaven that didn't even believe in you? that turned their backs on you and believed in something else? [/b]

Umm, yes I would. Like I have said a million times before all good hearted people receive good things, regardless, of what they believe religiously speaking(at leasts thats how I feel). I could never condemn a person because of his/her religion. How many times do I have to tell, this is not a war or something. We should be forced to pick sides of a certain religion, just pick the side of goodness and its alright. (and no I dont think we are sinful by nature anyway, we can be diffirent)

If I was (a) God I would want the best for all people that do their best and be good, not just for those who believe in me, Im sorry if I am offending your God with that, thats not my intention, but thats just what I would do if I was God.(I believe in something else but thats besides the point)

when I read the thread were Lucius said he was gay. I didn't think of him any differently. I'm being honest here. I'm still just as much a friend to him as I would have been if he was not gay. I don't wish harm on him or his lover, in fact, I pray for them and wish them the best... [/b]

Thank you ^_^

ahh. but did He not also create hands to steal things with? eyes to lust with? a tongue to lie with? just because the things are there, doesn't mean you have to use them for sin. (if you believe that is a sin of course)[/b]

Stealing,lusting,lieng and stuff are bad stuff as they emit negative energy and cause hurt to others. Being gay doesnt. Nobody still hasnt really answered that question, who exactly is being hurt here, God? Why would he be hurt by it. Or anybody actually.

Again, no disrespect for anything intend, Im sorry, I have to say this all the time, I hate hurting people, especially when it comes down to religion and believe as I know how that feels. Something tells me I should not even get into any religious discussion anymore, but I have to believe that we can discuss without hurting/bashing/disrespecting one another.

Originally posted by Lucius
But thats my opinion, but, who said being gay was a sin anyway? It was not jezus now was it? Who put that in the bible?(not attacking, just a Q)

God wrote the bible, he told men what to say.

the book of Romans verses 24- 28

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.


sounds to me like God has a problem with it. just posting what I've read for myself.

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think of it this way. if you were God. would you bring people to heaven that didn't even believe in you? that turned their backs on you and believed in something else? [/b]

Umm, yes I would. Like I have said a million times before all good hearted people receive good things, regardless, of what they believe religiously speaking(at leasts thats how I feel). I could never condemn a person because of his/her religion. How many times do I have to tell, this is not a war or something. We should be forced to pick sides of a certain religion, just pick the side of goodness and its alright. (and no I dont think we are sinful by nature anyway, we can be diffirent)

If I was (a) God I would want the best for all people that do their best and be good, not just for those who believe in me, Im sorry if I am offending your God with that, thats not my intention, but thats just what I would do if I was God.(I believe in something else but thats besides the point)[/b][/quote]

good point...

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ahh. but did He not also create hands to steal things with? eyes to lust with? a tongue to lie with? just because the things are there, doesn't mean you have to use them for sin. (if you believe that is a sin of course)[/b]

Stealing,lusting,lieng and stuff are bad stuff as they emit negative energy and cause hurt to others. Being gay doesnt. Nobody still hasnt really answered that question, who exactly is being hurt here, God? Why would he be hurt by it. Or anybody actually.
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BECAUSE GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN FOR EACH OTHER.

hmmm...I'm still reading, searching, trying to find answers. but from what I've read, it's clearly wrong according to God and the christian religion. why? I don't know. God made woman for man, and he intended for them to be together. why God did what He did and does what He does is beyond me. maybe that's why He's GOD. o.o

Lucius I didn't mean to sound like I'm lashing out at you or anything because I'm not. like I said, I'm still reading, still searching. ^^;

I have one thing left to say about this whole thing.

You are all trusting fools. How do you truly know that "god" wrote the Bible? How do you know that man hasn't altered it to his own devices over the years? You don't. If you say you do, you are talking out your ass because something tells me you weren't alive two thousand years ago. You put so much blind trust into this bible and not enough into your own god.

I'm done talking about this. I nearly died and when I was there in the hospital, I saw a few things. I grew closer to my goddess and I saw some truths. This whole conversation? It's not even worth it because for some reason, Christians will argue until they're blue in the face and half-dead themselves. They cannot possibly see anyone else's point of view (even though other religions are FAR OLDER than Christianity) and they are always right.

So Christians: congratulations to you. You're right. You won this battle. Are you happy now? Can we all just shut the fuck up about this now? If I had jurisdiction over this forum, I would lock this stupid thread right now.

Doomed to crumble unless we grow and strengthen our communication.

People are crazy if they think that someone hasn't edited the bible to suit their own agenda at some point.



^ A smiley for the issue

That smilie is too stereotype..

Sweetie, try not to hate the christians, some people just can't help the way they think, don't lower yourself to hating or something, I know its hard but please..there is so much already in the world, and you know that.

You're to sweet to concern yourself about this, someday people will realize, someday souls will mature..until that day people like you that do accept and do care will keep us going. ^_^ *huggle*

Well, first I want to apologize for blowing up suddenly. This is no excuse, but I’ve been very tired lately (with good reason, I should say) and the things that don’t usually get to me are squirming their way under my skin. I am a very open minded person, and I respect all religious beliefs. It is a very rare thing that I angrily lump a bunch of people together and generalize as I have been with the Christians of late. It’s a meager explanation, but it’s the truth and it’s all I can give at the moment. So I am truly sorry for that. It’s not like me to be so hatefully judgmental and I apologize profusely.

What happened? We used to be able to have civilized conversations about anything. No one thumped the bible, no one pushed their views on anyone else, and we all seemed to listen to one another. Intelligent debate is one thing, but bible-thumping to prove your point is another. Not everyone is Christian and not everyone believes that the Christian bible (the bazillion different copies of it, mind you) was dictated to some guy by your god. Why can’t we just learn from one another? Everyone and their religion has something to teach someone else. Note that I did not say “convert” someone else. I said “teach” someone else. Every belief has its place and should be respected as such. We are all humans, we all have souls, and for crissakes we all bleed red blood!

What’s bothering me most about this whole thing is that we’re all sitting here arguing our own points and shutting our ears to anything else. There seems to be a lot of disrespect for the Old Religions flying around and I hate to say it, but it’s mostly Christians that are doing this. For some reason, every Christian I’ve ever met gets angry and defensive when you mention anything outside their precious bible. They remind me of my stepfather. He was an angry man who was always right, even when he was dreadfully wrong, and damn you to hell if you believed otherwise.

Let me tell you something about witchcraft/paganism/Wicca. My religion is far, far older than Christianity. Does that make it better than Christianity? Certainly not! Does it mean that my religion should be respected, as Christians demand of their religion? Absolutely. As all religions should be respected, even Satanism and those following the darker paths of witchcraft. You should all sit down and speak with a Satanist one day. Whether you like it or not, you would learn a lot from them and I guarantee that you would learn things that you never knew about the religion that would surprise you. The same goes for me. I learn things about Christianity (and its subsidiaries, all of which I don’t know, thus cannot name) all the time. I learn things that surprise me, things that make me smile, things that make my skin crawl. But the point is, I learn, and from that I grow. I don’t know… maybe I’m asking too much for the human race to just put aside their differences and try—just TRY—to live in harmony with one another. Who cares if your neighbor is gay? Who cares if your boss is a black woman? Who cares if the guy at your school is a Satanist? Provided they aren’t harming you (or anyone else for that matter), what does it truly matter? Who does it harm if I pray to my goddess while I’m on a hospital bed… and I get an answer? I mean, really. It’s so silly to bother voicing your bigotry at two men getting married when all their marriage is doing is making two people extremely happy. In addition to that, I suggest you all look around you. How many divorced straight couples do you see? How many abusive husbands/wives do you see? And you (in general, not anyone specific) have the balls to speak up about a loving couple who happens to be of the same sex getting married? How does that make sense?

Ah, I’m digressing. My point is, I’m very tired and I’m sorry that I offended some of you. I’m so, so sorry for blowing up like I did. That isn’t me. I promise you that, and ask anyone who knows me. That is not me. My exhaustion caught up with me, and although I’ve had an epiphany of life due to recent events, I still carry the no-so-small weight of knowing that I nearly died… Had I not gone into the hospital when I did, I would not be here writing this to you all. Do any of you know how scary that is? I can’t even begin to describe it…

Anyway, again that’s no excuse for the way I’ve been treating some of you. I’m sorry isn’t enough, but since I can only speak English and there aren’t words in my language to express how I truly feel, I’ll have to settle with that.

Hi everyone. I think that we have beaten this issue to death. Let me know what you think.

Unless anyone can come up with a reason to leave this thread active, I will lock it at 2100 GMT today.

Have a nice day!

Ask yourself, "Who am I to judge other people".

You're nothing better.

Originally posted by Lucius
That smilie is too stereotype..

Yeah, sorry 'bout that, i just couldn't resist...

Lost soul, we know you've been sick and everyone just sometimes has had enough so no need for apologies.

Seeker No argument here

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