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      Originally posted by Jalexxi
      Books written by Aristotle were still widely respected in 1600-1700, and on some universities even far into the 19th century.
      Aristotle -> book -> target being influenced. Who knows what would have happened today had Ceasar not conquered Gaul, but that's something like:
      Ceasar -> bazzilion steps here -> today. That's what I meant
      In that case I'll go with Einstein....or stick with Gutenberg...hmm...
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      SO. who else is there?

      Leo And I have had an interesting disagreemwnt that I thought may rekindle a good thread.

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      Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>
      . You know, a few weeks ago somebody offered the certain conclusion that I was using Di Vinci's likeness. Imagine, a good Catholic using Di Vinci these days. Not that Di Vinci was a particularly bad person, only that he was not a particularly good one. The man's fame, what it is, is mostly built on hype. He was a busy bee of a military engineer, building fortifications and weapons. But as for art and science, he finished some awful little. His famous Notebook only chronicles how lazy he was -- all these ideas but no follow through. He never filled in any of the details (his flying machines took no notice of actual air densities and volumes). But mostly he never moved an inch to exert any intellectual influence. So why would I take up his Avatar. Machiavelli, Locke, Moore, or Bacon would have been a better guesses, since I suspect that very few people these days even remember Erasmus. One person once guessed Luther... now what absolute retard would think me capable to Avataring myself with that Son of Anitchrist?[/b]
      That was me
      Sure, there was hype. But I can give reasons for all or your accounts to why he was not what he was made out to be.
      1Completion. This is a trait that often embraces a very eccentric person. Nothing is ever good enough. Thus frustration then incompletion.
      2.Art. He was a very good artist. (can you deny that?) he had a very good understanding of the human anatomy
      3. inventions. Do you realize what time in history this was? it is the mear fact that he could pioneer such thoughts at that time, regardless if they worked.
      4.Why perhaps they did not work. Maybe because the church had him under house arrest several times. They suppressed people (another argument we had) They wanted to keep people uneducated. Easier to control.
      5.Many of his works and notes were destroyed by the French I believe during turmoil. Who knows what was lost.


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      yes, Di Vinci was smart. But I still think that deserve his place in history, he should have actually DONE something. But what we have is a Notebook and a lot of Public Relations for what was as career which may have had a lot of promise, but turned out mostly empty. So he could draw. Big deal. But as a man of the Renaissance, he was no "Renaisssance Man". He finished nothing. And, again, as something of an intellectual myself, it is difficult to forgive him for being, well, thoughtless and without even the slightest influence. It was as though he were a .... a 'jock'. For a smart man, he simply comes off as stupid. I am really curious as to why history remembers him so well. There were so many better artists, and so many more influential thinkers. I suspect some Masonic Diversion to pull our attention away from the more substantial details of the Italian Rennaissance. Or perhaps the one successful painting, which, again, he did not finish... "The Last Supper". Maybe that one painting was sufficient to keep his name at the forefront until silly 20th Century commentators could go on endlessly about drawings of airplanes that couldn't fly and submarines that couldn't float.
      You are most likely right that he is over rated.
      You did not address my 5 replies really. Just your own thoughts on him.
      And most likely he was arrogant. Most very intellectual people do not care how they are viewed in the public eye. Reasons for this is that they lack other qualities that we have.
      As far as Da Vinci he was rare because he was also well rounded man, in addition to his superiority.

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      Me. Indefinately. Haha. Nah just kidding... but I'm definately up there with the greatest
      need to actually start like trying to LD i've pretty much started that now kinda.

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      Originally posted by idontknow
      Me. Indefinately. Haha. Nah just kidding... but I'm definately up there with the greatest *
      How can you claim such a stature with a name like idont know?

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      Past- Chief Joseph for yall who never heared of him. http://www.indigenouspeople.net/joseph.htm

      Present- Dr. Ben Carson's mom Sonya Carson

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      -OFF TOPIC-I want to change my name Howetzer but i just dont know how!! I made it idontknow cause i couldnt think of anything at that exact moment and i was planning to change it later.... I'll figure it out... -OFF TOPIC-

      And i was joking about me being the greatest person of all time...
      need to actually start like trying to LD i've pretty much started that now kinda.

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      Originally posted by idontknow
      -OFF TOPIC-I want to change my name Howetzer but i just dont know how!! I made it idontknow cause i couldnt think of anything at that exact moment and i was planning to change it later.... I'll figure it out... -OFF TOPIC-

      And i was joking about me being the greatest person of all time... *
      Send a PM to seeker, or post asking for a name change at the feedback forum
      Here and there...

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      Originally posted by idontknow
      -OFF TOPIC-I want to change my name Howetzer but i just dont know how!! I made it idontknow cause i couldnt think of anything at that exact moment and i was planning to change it later.... I'll figure it out... -OFF TOPIC-

      And i was joking about me being the greatest person of all time... *
      Haaa. I was joking as well!

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      [quote]

      How does a person's morality have anything to do with his greatness?
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      I guess that depends on how you measure greatness. If you're stupid and choose Hitler as the greatest person of all time becuase of his power, then fine. Even though that's complete horseshit, I can see how a retard would think that. But if you're measuring greatness by morality, and therefore the amazing things achieved in that persons life as a result of their moraltiy, then that is what a person's morality has to do with their greatness.

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      In the eye of the beholder

      Originally posted by Belisarius+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Belisarius)</div>
      How does a person's morality have anything to do with his greatness?
      .....[/b]
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      I guess that depends on how you measure greatness. *If you're stupid and choose Hitler as the greatest person of all time becuase of his power, then fine. *Even though that's complete horseshit, I can see how a retard would think that. *But if you're measuring greatness by morality, and therefore the amazing things achieved in that persons life as a result of their moraltiy, then that is what a person's morality has to do with their greatness.

      That is a good point.
      And you would not be retarded.
      I guess it all depends on what the poster believe is greatness. If they idle power, then Hitler would have to be up there on the list, whether or not a person is famous or infamous.

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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

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      That is a good point.
      And you would not be retarded.
      I guess it all depends on what the poster believe is greatness. If they idle power, then Hitler would have to be up there on the list, whether or not a person is famous or infamous.


      My point is that to even consider attaching a name like Hitler to a question like who is the greatest person of all time is disturbing. Greatness shouldn't be measured by power alone, without taking other things into consideration. You ask a question like who was one of the most powerful people of all time, then fine, I totally expect to see the name Hitler. But not for this question. Hitler was not great by any means. He knew how to manipulate and control and used that knowledge to do disgusting things. There is no greatness there.

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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

      Originally posted by kichu


      My point is that to even consider attaching a name like Hitler to a question like who is the greatest person of all time is disturbing. Greatness shouldn't be measured by power alone, without taking other things into consideration. You ask a question like who was one of the most powerful people of all time, then fine, I totally expect to see the name Hitler. But not for this question. Hitler was not great by any means. He knew how to manipulate and control and used that knowledge to do disgusting things. There is no greatness there.
      I agree. It really is not a good word for this scenario that can play out.
      Although most of us realize it is not one dimensional issue, you could point out the worlds strongest man. This being entirely out of context, like Hitler, to what I think the post was not intending.
      A better word would have been magnanomous.

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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

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      I agree. It really is not a good word for this scenario that can play out.
      Although most of us realize it is not one dimensional issue, you could point out the worlds strongest man. This being entirely out of context, like Hitler, to what I think the post was not intending.
      A better word would have been magnanomous.


      Well, I don't know about that either. I think one can be great without neccessarily being magnanimous. You may achieve amazing things in your life but not neccessarily fit the description of a magnanimous person. I think to some extent, greatness should imply a lack of wrong doing though, but that doesn't neccessarily make someone noble, courageous, etc. Know what I mean?

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      Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History
      from the book by Michael Hart

      The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group
      Ranking of the twenty from the list of 100:

      1. Prophet Muhammad
      2. Isaac Newton
      3. Jesus Christ
      4. Buddha
      5. Confucius
      6. St. Paul
      7. Ts'ai Lun
      8. Johann Gutenberg
      9. Christopher Columbus
      10. Albert Einstein
      11. Karl Marx
      12. Louis Pasteur
      13. Galileo Galilei
      14. Aristotle
      15. Lenin
      16. Moses
      17. Charles Darwin
      18. Shih Huang Ti
      19. Augustus Caesar
      20. Mao Tse-tung

      Muhammad Mirror CalligraphyMUHAMMAD, No. 1
      The 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History
      by Michael H. Hart

      My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels. Of humble origins, Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive. The majority of the persons in this book had the advantage of being born and raised in centers of civilization, highly cultured or politically pivotal nations. Muhammad, however, was born in the year 570, in the city of Mecca, in southern Arabia, at that time a backward area of the world, far from the centers of trade, art, and learning. Orphaned at age six, he was reared in modest surroundings. Islamic tradition tells us that he was illiterate. His economic position improved when, at age twenty-five, he married a wealthy widow. Nevertheless, as he approached forty, there was little outward indication that he was a remarkable person. Most Arabs at that time were pagans, who believed in many gods. There were, however, in Mecca, a small number of Jews and Christians; it was from them no doubt that Muhammad first learned of a single, omnipotent God who ruled the entire universe. When he was forty years old, Muhammad became convinced that this one true God (Allah) was speaking to him, and had chosen him to spread the true faith. For three years, Muhammad preached only to close friends and associates. Then, about 613, he began preaching in public. As he slowly gained converts, the Meccan authorities came to consider him a dangerous nuisance. In 622, fearing for his safety, Muhammad fled to Medina (a city some 200 miles north of Mecca), where he had been offered a position of considerable political power. This flight, called the Hegira, was the turning point of the Prophet's life. In Mecca, he had had few followers. In Medina, he had many more, and he soon acquired an influence that made him a virtual dictator. During the next few years, while Muhammad's following grew rapidly, a series of battles were fought between Medina and Mecca. This was ended in 630 with Muhammad's triumphant return to Mecca as conqueror. The remaining two and one-half years of his life witnessed the rapid conversion of the Arab tribes to the new religion.

      When Muhammad died, in 632, he was the effective ruler of all of southern Arabia. The Bedouin tribesmen of Arabia had a reputation as fierce warriors. But their number was small; and plagued by disunity and internecine warfare, they had been no match for the larger armies of the kingdoms in the settled agricultural areas to the north. However, unified by Muhammad for the first time in history, and inspired by their fervent belief in the one true God, these small Arab armies now embarked upon one of the most astonishing series of conquests in human history. To the northeast of Arabia lay the large Neo-Persian Empire of the Sassanids; to the northwest lay the Byzantine, or Eastern Roman Empire, centered in Constantinople. Numerically, the Arabs were no match for their opponents. On the field of battle, though, the inspired Arabs rapidly conquered all of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine. By 642, Egypt had been wrested from the Byzantine Empire, while the Persian armies had been crushed at the key battles of Qadisiya in 637, and Nehavend in 642. But even these enormous conquests, which were made under the leadership of Muhammad's close friends and immediate successors, Ali, Abu Bakr and 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, did not mark the end of the Arab advance. By 711, the Arab armies had swept completely across North Africa to the Atlantic Ocean There they turned north and, crossing the Strait of Gibraltar, overwhelmed the Visigothic kingdom in Spain.

      For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732, at the famous Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of the Prophet, had carved out an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean-the largest empire that the world had yet seen. And everywhere that the armies conquered, large-scale conversion to the new faith eventually followed. Now, not all of these conquests proved permanent. The Persians, though they have remained faithful to the religion of the Prophet, have since regained their independence from the Arabs. And in Spain, more than seven centuries of warfare, finally resulted in the Christians reconquering the entire peninsula. However, Mesopotamia and Egypt, the two cradles of ancient civilization, have remained Moslem, as has the entire coast of North Africa. The new religion, of course, continued to spread, in the intervening centuries, far beyond the borders of the original Moslem conquests. Currently it has tens of millions of adherents in Africa and Central Asia and even more in Pakistan and northern India, and in Indonesia. In Indonesia, the new faith has been a unifying factor. In the Indian subcontinent, however, the conflict between Moslems and Hindus is still a major obstacle to unity.

      How, then, is one to assess the overall impact of Muhammad on human history? Like all religions, Islam exerts an enormous influence upon the lives of its followers. It is for this reason that the founders of the world's great religions all figure prominently in this book. Since there are roughly twice as many Christians as Moslems in the world, it may initially seem strange that Muhammad has been ranked higher than Jesus. There are two principal reasons for that decision. First, Muhammad played a far more important role in the development of Islam than Jesus did in the development of Christianity. Although Jesus was responsible for the main ethical and moral precepts of Christianity (insofar as these differed from Judaism), St. Paul was the main developer of Christian theology, its principal proselytizer, and the author of a large portion of the New Testament. Muhammad, however, was responsible for both the theology of Islam and its main ethical and moral principles. In addition, he played the key role in proselytizing the new faith, and in establishing the religious practices of Islam. Moreover, he is the author of the Moslem holy scriptures, the Koran, a collection of certain of Muhammad's insights that he believed had been directly revealed to him by Allah. Most of these utterances were copied more or less faithfully during Muhammad's lifetime and were collected together in authoritative form not long after his death. The Koran therefore, closely represents Muhammad's ideas and teachings and to a considerable extent his exact words. No such detailed compilation of the teachings of Christ has survived. Since the Koran is at least as important to Moslems as the Bible is to Christians, the influence of Muhammad through the medium of the Koran has been enormous. It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.

      On the purely religious level, then, it seems likely that Muhammad has been as influential in human history as Jesus. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as a religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time. Of many important historical events, one might say that they were inevitable and would have occurred even without the particular political leader who guided them. For example, the South American colonies would probably have won their independence from Spain even if Simon Bolivar had never lived. But this cannot be said of the Arab conquests. Nothing similar had occurred before Muhammad, and there is no reason to believe that the conquests would have been achieved without him. The only comparable conquests in human history are those of the Mongols in the thirteenth century, which were primarily due to the influence of Genghis Khan. These conquests, however, though more extensive than those of the Arabs, did not prove permanent, and today the only areas occupied by the Mongols are those that they held prior to the time of Genghis Khan. It is far different with the conquests of the Arabs. From Iraq to Morocco, there extends a whole chain of Moslem nations united not merely by their faith in Islam, but also by their Arabic language, history, and culture.

      The centrality of the Koran in the Moslem religion and the fact that it is written in Arabic have probably prevented the Arab language from breaking up into mutually unintelligible dialects, which might otherwise have occurred in the intervening thirteen centuries. Differences and divisions between these Arab states exist, of course, and they are considerable, but the partial disunity should not blind us to the important elements of unity that have continued to exist. For instance, neither Iran nor Indonesia, both oil-producing states and both Islamic in religion joined in the oil embargo of the winter of 1973-74. It is no coincidence that all of the Arab states, and only the Arab states, participated in the embargo. We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.

      The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group
      Ranking, list of 100 most influential persons in history:

      1. Prophet Muhammad
      2. Isaac Newton
      3. Jesus Christ
      4. Buddha
      5. Confucius
      6. St. Paul
      7. Ts'ai Lun
      8. Johann Gutenberg
      9. Christopher Columbus
      10. Albert Einstein
      11. Karl Marx
      12. Louis Pasteur
      13. Galileo Galilei
      14. Aristotle
      15. Lenin
      16. Moses
      17. Charles Darwin
      18. Shih Huang Ti
      19. Augustus Caesar
      20. Mao Tse-tung
      21. Genghis Khan
      22. Euclid
      23. Martin Luther
      24. Nicolaus Copernicus
      25. James Watt
      26. Constantine the Great
      27. George Washington
      28. Michael Faraday
      29. James Clerk Maxwell
      30. Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright
      31. Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
      32. Sigmund Freud
      33. Alexander the Great
      34. Napoleon Bonaparte
      35. Adolf Hitler
      36. William Shakespeare
      37. Adam Smith
      38. Thomas Edison
      39. Anthony van Leeuwenhoek
      40. Plato
      41. Guglielmo Marconi
      42. Ludwig van Beethoven
      43. Werner Heisenberb
      44. Alexander Graham Bell
      45. Alexander Fleming
      46. Simon Bolivar
      47. Oliver Cromwell
      48. John Locke
      49. Michelangelo
      50. Pope Urban II
      51. Umar ibn al-Khattab
      52. Asoka
      53. St. Augustine
      54. Max Planck
      55. John Calvin
      56. William T.G. Morton
      57. William Harvey
      58. Antoine Henri Becquerel
      59. Gregor Mendel
      60. Joseph Lister
      61. Nikolaus August Otto
      62. Louis Daguerre
      63. Joseph Stalin
      64. Rene Descartes
      65. Julius Caesar
      66. Francisco Pizarro
      67. Hernando Cortes
      68. Queen Isabella I
      69. William the Conqueror
      70. Thomas Jefferson
      71. Jean-Jacques Rousseau
      72. Edward Jenner
      73. Wilhelm Conrad Rontgen
      74. Hohann Sebastian Bach
      75. Lao Tzu
      76. Enrico Fermi
      77. Thomas Malthus
      78. Francis Bacon
      79. Voltaire
      80. John F. Kennedy
      81. Gregory Pincus
      82. Sui Wen Ti
      83. Mani
      84. Vasco da Gama
      85. Charlemagne
      86. Cyprus the Great
      87. Leonhard Euler
      88. Niccolo Machiavelli
      89. Zoroaster
      90. Menes
      91. Peter the Great
      92. Mencius
      93. John Dalton
      94. Homer
      95. Queen Elizabeth
      96. Justinian I
      97. fJohannes Kepler
      98. Pablo Picasso
      99. Mahavira
      100. Niels Bohr

      Honorable Mentions and Interesting Misses:

      * St. Thomas Aquinas
      * Archimedes
      * Charles Babbage
      * Cheops
      * Marie Curie
      * Benjamin Franklin
      * Gandhi
      * Abraham Lincoln
      * Ferdinand Magellan
      * Leonardo da Vinci

      The non-Muslim verdict on Muhammad (PBUH) If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.

      George Bernard Shaw

      People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.

      Professor Jules Masserman

      Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.

      Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith

      Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.

      Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. l 22.

      Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . .

      John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330

      In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world.

      John Austin, "Muhammad the Prophet of Allah," in T.P. 's and Cassel's Weekly for 24th September 1927.

      Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

      Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727

      It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.

      Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4

      Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.

      Encyclopedia Britannica

      I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.

      George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"

      By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion.

      Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith in "Mohammed and Mohammedanism 1946."


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      ^ ^ ^ So, what's your take on this?

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      Other than myself, I have to say Karl XII of Sweden. Denmark, Saxony-Poland and Russia made an alliance against Sweden. First he defeated Denmark in a fast war; after that he turned to the east, defeated a Russian army more than three times bigger at Narva, with 700 deaths and 1200 wounded, and the Russians lost 12.000 - 18.000 men.
      Now he turned south, to attack Poland and Saxony. After about 5-7 years (can't remember exactly how long) he had defeated the Saxon-Polish union; now he turned towards Russia yet again. But the Russians burned all food sources and houses close to the Swedish army, which led to the defeat at Poltava, where the severly weakened Swedish army lost against a much larger Russian army.
      The rest I will leave out, as it isn't as interesting and I'm too lazy to keep writing. But if someone is interested, search after "The Great Nordic War" or "Karl XII" on Google or another search-engine.

      Some other facts worth mentioning: he was a simple man; lived like his soldiers during the war, which took up most of his time; he was very brave, and when the war started, he was only 14 years old.

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      Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History
      from the book by Michael Hart.
      100% True. because

      Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive.[/b]

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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

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      Well, I don't know about that either. I think one can be great without neccessarily being magnanimous. You may achieve amazing things in your life but not neccessarily fit the description of a magnanimous person. I think to some extent, greatness should imply a lack of wrong doing though, but that doesn't neccessarily make someone noble, courageous, etc. Know what I mean?

      Well crap. I am either too pragmatic or too infamous.
      What do you suggest?

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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

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      Well crap. I am either too pragmatic or too infamous.
      What do you suggest?


      Hmmm...not sure what you mean by infamous. I don't know if I'd say pragmatic either. I think you're developing your ideas and opinions as you express them, and that's cool. That's why dialogue is important.


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      Re: In the eye of the beholder

      Originally posted by kichu


      Hmmm...not sure what you mean by infamous. I don't know if I'd say pragmatic either. I think you're developing your ideas and opinions as you express them, and that's cool. That's why dialogue is important.

      I have had my opinion on who I believe is the greatest person from the beginning.
      I addressed your take on Adolf Hitler. That is when the wording and the use there of came into play.
      This did lead me to believe that the topic title for many may be too imprecise.

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      The greatest person of all time is the person who created music!
      Live on the edge , If you don't risk anything, you risk even more.

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      Originally posted by Darkmatic
      The greatest person of all time is the person who created music!
      Ozzy Osbourne?

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      Ozzy Osbourne?

      Hmmmm , i may have to rethink my statement then ...
      Live on the edge , If you don't risk anything, you risk even more.

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