Thread: My proof for destiny and a set future

Peregrinus:

This view might just be a minor difference for you… But it really helped me move on with my life after a few rough incidents. My best friend died at the age of 22… Then I nearly died 7 months ago.. And my brother went from being in a major depression to being able to move on and enjoy life.
We all exist in this one instant. The instant is not changing or moving, we are, The main human view on time is as if we are all on one big train moving trough the track of time. But time is not moving, we are.. All that exists is this one instant that is changing. As the past and future is only in your head there is no point in letting negative feelings about the past or future come in the way of living now. Am I making sense?

Originally posted by Raz
Peregrinus:

This view might just be a minor difference for you… But it really helped me move on with my life after a few rough incidents. My best friend died at the age of 22… Then I nearly died 7 months ago.. And my brother went from being in a major depression to being able to move on and enjoy life.
We all exist in this one instant. The instant is not changing or moving, we are, *The main human view on time is as if we are all on one big train moving trough the track of time. But time is not moving, we are.. All that exists is this one instant that is changing. As the past and future is only in your head there is no point in letting negative feelings about the past or future come in the way of living now. Am I making sense?

You are automatically labeling the future with "Negative". Due to your perception. Which is understandable. But It is all relative. Positive or negative.
The future may not have unfolded ..Yet. But not to prepare for it is selfish. Selfish to your close loved ones and the general populus if you are a true philanthropist.

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You are automatically labeling the future with "Negative". Due to your perception. Which is understandable. But It is all relative. Positive or negative.
The future may not have unfolded ..Yet. But not to prepare for it is selfish. Selfish to your close loved ones and the general populus if you are a true philanthropist.

Not at all! I have high hopes for what is to come. In fact it is the thought of what is to come that keeps me going and work harder on my goals... The part where I think it's easy to drag on negativity is from what has been. Having a bad experience or wanting to go back to a good experience. But as you said. It is all relative... But keeping my focus on the now is a little like being in a constant state of meditation. I’m in a so much clearer state of mind. Some days work better then others but it's constant practice and I have really made a lot of progress the past few months and I can really feel my work paying of.

My first post here describes better what I mean about keeping the focus on the now:
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28554

Originally posted by Raz
Peregrinus:
This view might just be a minor difference for you… But it really helped me move on with my life after a few rough incidents. My best friend died at the age of 22… Then I nearly died 7 months ago.. And my brother went from being in a major depression to being able to move on and enjoy life.
We all exist in this one instant. The instant is not changing or moving, we are, *The main human view on time is as if we are all on one big train moving trough the track of time. But time is not moving, we are.. All that exists is this one instant that is changing. As the past and future is only in your head there is no point in letting negative feelings about the past or future come in the way of living now. Am I making sense?

I'm glad that this philosophy has helped you cope with the tragic circumstances in your life, but no, I still don't see how it's different from the standard paradigm. Of course, it could be that my definition of the standard paradigm is not the same as yours, especially since my view of time is likely to be more scientific than that of the majority of people. You used the metaphor of a train of people moving along a track of time and then went on to state that time doesn't move, only we do. Well, obviously the track doesn't move. Trains move. We "move". So, what's the big deal? And whoever said that time moves, anyway? Time is. Think of it as a dimension. Spatial dimensions don't move - they can warp and twist and bend and perhaps even tear - but they don't move (not in the lateral sense of the word, anyway). Why should the temporal dimension be any different? And I agree with you that regret about the past and anxiety about the future is pointless. It's just a waste of emotional energy, soiling the present with things which cannot be changed and things which cannot be known (at least not precisely and with a significant lead time). However, preparing for the future isn't futile, nor is considering and learning from the past.

Originally posted by Peregrinus

I'm glad that this philosophy has helped you cope with the tragic circumstances in your life, but no, I still don't see how it's different from the standard paradigm. *Of course, it could be that my definition of the standard paradigm is not the same as yours, especially since my view of time is likely to be more scientific than that of the majority of people. *You used the metaphor of a train of people moving along a track of time and then went on to state that time doesn't move, only we do. *Well, obviously the track doesn't move. *Trains move. *We "move". *So, what's the big deal? *And whoever said that time moves, anyway? *Time is. *Think of it as a dimension. *Spatial dimensions don't move - they can warp and twist and bend and perhaps even tear - but they don't move (not in the lateral sense of the word, anyway). *Why should the temporal dimension be any different? *And I agree with you that regret about the past and anxiety about the future is pointless. *It's just a waste of emotional energy, soiling the present with things which cannot be changed and things which cannot be known (at least not precisely and with a significant lead time). *However, preparing for the future isn't futile, nor is considering and learning from the past.

I get the Impression that the main view on time is rather: We are the track, and we experience where the train of time is... Back to the future movies? But I think we are on the same page, just from different worlds

Originally posted by Raz
I get the Impression that the main view on time is rather: We are the track, and we experience where the train of time is... Back to the future movies?

Like the future is already set and fixed til the end of eternity? Eh, that sort of thinking should have gone out w/ Newtonian mechanics. Guess not, though.

Future time travel is do-able now - is done, actually, on the space shuttle and space station, and on an even more minute scale whenever you fly on an airplane. Backwards time travel is not actually prohibited by the laws of physics, which are generally symmetrical with respect to time. Whether it is actually possible rather than just theoretically possible is another matter. The last thing I read on the subject was that a stable wormhole opened with one end at one point in time w/ its other end at a later time would allow travel back and forth between those times. Of course, that would require incredible advances in both our understanding and our engineering, if it is truly possible. And then, philosophy would have to play catch-up to science, as it almost always does in matters such as this.

But I think we are on the same page, just from different worlds *[/b]

Oh well then, good