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      dreams are real while they last, what more can be said about life??
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      what gets me is the fact that atoms aren't even physical things.

      Quantum theory states that they are just energy, no?

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      You're refering to Einstein I think? E=mc^2 and all that?

      Yeah, current thinking suggests that matter and energy are interchangable, which along with wave-particle dualtiy means that nothing is always as it seems basically. Electrons are particles, but because of their high velocities they sometimes behave like waves and can be defracted, even you, if you could travel fast enough, would be able to be diffracted through a narrow gap according to De Broglie's theory.

      And then there's quantum theory, part of which is a bit weird (well, weirder than normal), as electrons move from one energy level to another around a nucleus (moving closer or further away) they don't travel between one point and another, they just instantanously leap from one point to another, without passing through the space inbetween (this is where the phrase 'quantum leap' comes from). How does that work then?


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      On the whole conciousness thing.. it kinda blows my mind that we're concious enough to be able to debate our own conciousness...

      can you imagine being concious, but not being able to comprehend "conciousness"? is it possible?

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      Originally posted by resonate


      what really gets me is when you look into a mirror with another mirror behind you and the endless reflection tunnel it creates. but it starts to become distorted and loses its color. since they are reflections, are the distortions coming from the air? and it isnt possible to see the end, because you wont ever be able look through yourself and see the vanishing point. the vanish point must exist, so what is your reflection hiding?
      If you want to see the end, just get a camera and hook it up to a screen. So that the screen shows what the camera sees. Focus the camera on the screen and look at the screen.

      Since it is flat and looks the same from every angle, you can see the whole thing.

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      I've done that with my webcam. For me, there was no end. It simply kept on going until the image was too small to recognize.
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      Originally posted by pyrhho
      On the whole conciousness thing.. it kinda blows my mind that we're concious enough to be able to debate our own conciousness...

      can you imagine being concious, but not being able to comprehend "conciousness"? is it possible?
      Well I would consider animals as being conscious. Just the awareness and levels can alter so much. Even between humans, it seems to me.

      There was a saying I found very fitting by Robert Monroe.

      To consider consciousness on it's own is undemanding. But put it into context to something gives rise to a never ending shifting of thoughts.
      I don't think that is in verbatim.

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      http://www.johnsadowski.com/big_spanish_castle.html
      do that again, but this time, dont move your eyes, move slowly away from it.

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      Re: Odd Mind-blowing Thoughts

      Originally posted by MCM1013
      So I was wondering what you yall think about that is mind-blowing or something that when you think about it you say to yourself "If I think about this too much longer I might just go insane or my brain might start bleeding"
      The interdependency of things always boggles my mind. It just goes on forever if you think about it...

      I watched Ghost in the Shell last night (again). Awesome film which makes you think about consciousness among other things.

      I'm sure everyones seen it but you never know

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      The slightest possibility of any of the following happening blows my mind.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate...of_the_universe
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

      And this massive time scale blows my mind.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_E19_s_and_more

      The fact that mankind can create a weapon that releases the energy of 1% of the sun's energy output during the same fration of time blows my mind.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba

      ...Wikipedia blows my mind

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      Technological singularity is the one that really scares me the most, because it could actually happen within my lifetime. And because you can see the evidence of it already happening today. The speed at which our technology is advancing is incredible, we must not let it get out of control. (Even though we know it will get out of control it is impossible to stop it). But I try not to let my mind dwell on those theories of the end of the world that may be coming soon. There is no use in fearing them.
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      Originally posted by dudesuperior
      The slightest possibility of any of the following happening blows my mind.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate...of_the_universe
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

      And this massive time scale blows my mind.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_E19_s_and_more

      The fact that mankind can create a weapon that releases the energy of 1% of the sun's energy output during the same fration of time blows my mind.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba

      ...Wikipedia blows my mind

      So mankind could create a bomb that powerful back in the 50's. 50mt test with a possibility of 100mt (impractical since it would be a suicide mission...... lol, they could accept the loss of an entire city, but not a pilot and a plane...). It just makes me wonder how large of a bomb could we make with today's technology? It is conceivable that we could make 1 bomb that could essentially wipe out humanity. Crazy.....
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      So mankind could create a bomb that powerful back in the 50's. 50mt test with a possibility of 100mt (impractical since it would be a suicide mission...... lol, they could accept the loss of an entire city, but not a pilot and a plane...). It just makes me wonder how large of a bomb could we make with today's technology? It is conceivable that we could make 1 bomb that could essentially wipe out humanity. Crazy..... [/b]
      Really we have the technology to create a massive nuclear weapon. The only thing is that it probably would we too big to move. If you could just walk into the enemies city with a team of scientists, 15 truckloads of enriched uranium, and a few other materials. And you have a few years to assemble the weapon. You could string together a fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fisson-fusion-fission reactor......... But then you might blow earth out of orbit.
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      "an assumption develops, that one cannot live life and understand life simultaniously."
      Waking Life. That move blows my mind everytime i watch it.

      Also, i dont believe that anyone should have atomic weapons. Cept for us.
      And great britain. Possibly canada. Because we all know they're to smart to fuck it up.


      (I know its an idealistic view. But it'd be nice if we didnt have to worry about some country developing nuclear weapons all the time.)

      ps.
      post-human theory is facinating.

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      Paradox.

      The principle of mathematics poses a perfect example, as it is essentially the manipulation of paradox. There is an infinite amount of possible variables, coefficients, constants, solutions, and such. But why should there be an infinite ending when you can have negative numbers and have an infinite beginning? You can also have fractions, which makes every infinite number have an infinite number of infinite branches, but why just stop at a ten-digit system? There's also an infinite number of digit systems!
      While there is an infinite number of possibilities on this uncontrollably accelerating mathematical fractal, there is one commonality to all of it: nothing. Each branch eventually leads to the shape in the center, inside which there is nothing. (A circle will be best, as it has an infinite amount of sides.) As the fractal accelerates, the circle becomes wider in diameter to support each branch. To elaborate more, there are also circles on outer branches, which contain nothing as well; the only difference is that it is another part of the principle.
      At some point, the circle is stretched too thin to support the branches and it collapses. In some paradoxical sequences it collapses quicker than others, and in some it is understood to be a paradox and still continues. When it does collapse, whatever falls inside it is dismissed as nothing. This means in the actual principle that the concept is disproven, obselete or forgotten. After the shell caves in, new branches continue to grow on the fallen shell. In the everlasting question of our existence, the shell has caved in multiple times, and although it can collapse an infinite amount of times more, there is still nothing inside it.
      Therefore, no matter how many times you try to disprove the concepts relating to a principle, it essentially leads to, or means, absolutely nothing.
      The solution to this problem (and yes, it is a problem, depending on what collapses) is not to recognize everything as a paradox, thus strengthening the shell, but to recongize that everything is nothing, thus removing the root shell entirely. Buddhists would call a similar process Enlightenment, but there is one key difference between nothing and Enlightenment: Enlightenment is something.
      In my own experience, destroying the shell cannot be done by an individual. I have pondered this concept long enough to have felt the universe fading into nothing, but that it didn't fully occur for two reasons: I have several attachments of many kinds to this universe, and I was being perceived at the time. I alone do not have the power to destroy the shell, even if I could achieve that state again. I would have to convince every species in a really stubborn world to do it at the same time. Until I bother with that, the fractal will continue to accelerate.
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      What blows my mind:

      Looking in a mirror. But really looking at me and realizing that that is me. That it is all I ever was and that I'm just another animal. That that at which I look at is my face and all those thoughts that I have emerge from whom I'm seeing. That gives me goosebumps when I do it.

      Then also is thinking about all the people I've met and never had a chance to further my relations with them. That gets me down sometimes, because I've had so many friends (personally) whom I know I will never see again, and not know what will become of them, who they will have children with, etc.

      I hope some of that made sense.

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      Have you tried staring into a mirror at yourself for ages and ages? It gets quite wierd...

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      Yeah, in a way, what I meant was staring into a mirror for a long time. But actually concentrating on what you're seeing (you).

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      My bad. I understood you. I was suggesting something else, just staring at a fixed point like your eye for ages. Just for the hell of it! Your face changes after awhile

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      My experience would be like Zeras, but slightly different.

      And its hard to explain - everyone I tried to explain it thought I was just crazy. Its not about asking 'who you are' and then getting some cheasy answer like 'im a mom!'. This moment is different.

      Its ony happened to me three times. I don't have to stare at the mirror though. I can just stare at my hands. And I hear my own thoughts as if someone else is speaking them, wondering who is saying those thoughts. Is this me thinking? And I get...just a feeling, a feeling, and this feeling becomes a question.

      Who am I? This is me. Who is me? Who is this voice in my head?

      And I wait for a response. This is when my heart beat raises. And this is when the thoughts in my head shut up and there is only silence. This is when my hands become surreal, and nothing more but the hands of a puppet. A second later realize I can't answer that question but simply saying I am who I am. I can't even call myself by my name, a name becomes so fake - like makeup. Its hard to explain, but since this is a dreaming forum the closest is when you have a realistic false awakening. And you know that moment when you realize this is a dream? That these walls aren't real? Its sorta like that. But its your name, your memories, and how you identify yourself as an idividual that isn't real!

      Nothing about yourself is real except the voice in your head screaming "Who am I"

      Its a feeling, a moment when you are conscious of your own conscoiusness, and now more than ever you realize you trully exist. You are. Right now.

      the feeling fades away. and I am happy. becuase I can go back into my little bubble, call myself by my name, say I am an artist, say I am female, say I am human...ect. But at the same time I want to stay in the moment longer, and wait for the answer.

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      water makes music.

      i discovered this while tripping one day, and hear water ever since, in real-time, in all its subtlety.

      the most wonderful part is that different sizes and shapes of rocks create different tones in a stream/river.

      thus, if one were to arrange rocks (or any solid objects) in the appropriate manner, they could float down a river, and listen to a song of their creation in whichever tempo they wished (i have done this on a very small scale, and know it is possible)

      each note (rock placement) would play continually, and only the observer would change.

      or more simply:

      one can swim through music, and rest within any portion they wish....

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      ok, wrap your mind around this......what color is a mirror?


      The evening hangs beneath the moon, a silver thread on darkened dune.
      With closing eyes and resting head; I know that sleep is coming soon.

      Upon my pillow, safe in bed,
      A thousand pictures fill my head,

      I cannot sleep , my mids aflight;
      and yet my limbs seems made of lead.
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      Tavasion, since color depends on what wavelength of light the object reflects to your eyes and a mirror reflects all light (or at least a helluva lot of it) that hits it, a mirror is simply whichever color you see in the mirror.

      Like other people have said, what really drops me dead is when I'm walking down the street or whatever and suddenly have this amazing moment of self-consciousness: Jesus Christ, I'm me! We get so unbelievably caught up in the things around us that when we step back and look at ourselves, these creatures not unlike others that we see on a daily basis, with a name and a face and a body and everything - it makes me stop and think, "Why should this be so?" And I have no answer and I'm stuck in this thought, it keeps on looping back and asking itself to me again because when I see all the facts, when I see myself and my place in the world and the fact of my existence as a being... it just floors me. It takes me hours to recover.

      There was also one time when I was thinking about time really hard and got a real mindblow going on. I was sitting on a school bus in 7th grade, wondering this: Time is nothing more and nothing less than an intangible substance that separates one moment from another. I got really big into this and started thinking what a trivial thing time really was, and closed my eyes and focused really hard on trying to shift my way back one day through this meaningless, nigh-nonexistant stuff... I just focused on where I was and imagined that instead on being on a school bus on Tuesday that it was Monday instead... I spent a lot of time that way and really convinced myself that it would be Monday when I opened my eyes, but to no avail. For one little afternoon I felt like I had discovered time and defeated it. Ah well.

      I personally think entheogens are worthless tools with which to fuck yourself up with, sometimes irreparably. All they do is cause your brain to function in manners in which it was never intended to, and while this can lead to interesting effects like trances and hallucinations and synesthaesia and thinking you're taking to spirits, it's just your scrambled-up brain making associations it was never designed to make, neurons firing in a sequence they were never designed to. When you think you're discovering universal truths, you're just intoxicated by the inexpressable novelty you're being subjected to. The worst offenders are those who claim that entheogens are an essential part of human intellectual/spiritual growth.

      But then again I've never taken them, so I must not know what I'm talking about, right?
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      (Okay, AoD had something here and deleted it. I'm not a creepy double-poster who responds to himself, really)

      I don't really understand what you mean by "moving in curves and to the right". It makes me think of walking sideways to my right in the shape of a sine wave, which may get me laughed at which might make me want to travel back in time so that I had never done such a silly thing.
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      Originally posted by Spamtek
      When you think you're discovering universal truths, you're just intoxicated
      Then If you are intoxicated why should we believe you?
      You think pure thoughts you are an Angel.

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