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      Spamtek you must be in a different time zone. I never said such a thing
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      Because I'm not intoxicated, I'm arguing that people who use entheogens are intoxicated and thus neither they nor we ought to believe what they experience while under the influence. So yes, if I I intoxicated then you definitely shouldn't believe me, but luckily I'm not.

      EDIT: Errr yes you did because you had 42 posts, then you deleted that one and added two in response to make a grand total of 43. Anyways, this is a silly subconversation that could be better handled through PMs.
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      A sense of humour wouldn't hurt.
      You think pure thoughts you are an Angel.

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      Yeah, I'm pretty high-strung these days. I need to take a break and watch a movie or something.

      Well, three cheers for us. We hijacked this thread like a pair of pros.
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      I have been thinking about Good and Evil quite often, and came up with the conclusion that they do not exist. People have different views of what they think is Good and Evil; some may think murder is wrong while someone else think it is the same thing as it is for the other person to help someone. If a person finding murder wrong commits a murder, he did not do anything wrong either as he felt regret for his actions. It is the thoughts that matters, not the actions.

      This is not good for myself to think about in my own opinion (note that I do not find it wrong, though). It may make my life quality worse and cause me to become cold like ice if I think about it too much. In the worst case I would end up as a murderer and sit in prison.

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      Quote Originally Posted by King View Post
      If a person finding murder wrong commits a murder, he did not do anything wrong either as he felt regret for his actions. It is the thoughts that matters, not the actions.
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      Ha thats why they say its the thougth that counts. Your right when fighting a war no one ever thinks they are the bad guy. they are the ones preserving justice and truth and all things good, and the winner is societies new deffinition of good.

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      True.

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      The fact that if a sentient alien species does exist, they could have seen our potential for universal superiority and decided to stop it early. They would come every few thousand years to purge the earth of humanity, leaving enough survivors for repopulation. Of course, they have a reason for not completely obliterating humanity, something that they need us for. Whether they have a good damn reason for &#39;abducting&#39; us, or something we cannot see, they would have a reason.

      And its not that I believe this, its the point of fact that it may be true. A scary thought indeed.

      And here arrives the peak of our civilization.

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      I am amazed by a lot of things and often spend hours at night thinking about them, but one thing that really bothered me is an aspect on color. Let&#39;s say we lived in a black and white world; we would have no idea what color was. Now imagine if one person knew about color and tried to explain it. The best you can get is &#39;Colors are different shades of light.&#39; And that means absolutley nothing to them as all they can get from that is darker and lighter shades of black and white. Because they have not seen color their brains cannot concieve what it is like, especially due to the lack of explanation. And this does not only occur with color, but with sound, taste, smell, mainly all our senses. So, what&#39;s to say there isn&#39;t a &#39;sixth&#39; sense that we don&#39;t know about. And I don&#39;t mean seeing dead people or projecting ourselves out of our bodies. Both of those things, and any other ideas can be explained, as I just explained them and you can actually imagine what they would be like. I&#39;m talking about a sense that is something completely different, that shows us a different aspect of life. What if we&#39;re all handicapped and lack this sense, but there are a few who have it but cannot explain it yet. It just always bothered me, along with the of course, "I&#39;m alive, I&#39;m on a planet, how, why, what happens when I die, what happened before i was born, etc."
      "You always have a choice, you just have to live with the consequences." Blacktop, 2000.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Howetzer View Post
      Indeed the fourth dimension.
      I have saved this to my favorites and have looked over it to try and understand it but.
      The Fourth Dimension
      orbsycli. Is it the experience on them that fascinates you or the chemicals themselves?
      I personally cannot get a grasp on our own consciousness.
      I read about it write about it here about it but it is still ...where? What is it actually and what is it capable of.
      As the Dictionary would have it--&#62;
      1.
      1. Having an awareness of one&#39;s environment and one&#39;s own existence, sensations, and thoughts. See Synonyms at aware.
      2. Mentally perceptive or alert; awake: The patient remained fully conscious after the local anesthetic was administered.
      2. Capable of thought, will, or perception: the development of conscious life on the planet.
      3. Subjectively known or felt: conscious remorse.
      4. Intentionally conceived or done; deliberate: a conscious insult; made a conscious effort to speak more clearly.
      5. Inwardly attentive or sensible; mindful: was increasingly conscious of being watched.
      6. Especially aware of or preoccupied with. Often used in combination: a cost-conscious approach to further development; a health-conscious diet.

      But all of these can go into greater detail and philosophical debate.

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      Psychedelic Alkaloids are mind blowing and produce a soulstorm unimaginable to those who are affraid of and strangers to the Entheogens

      As for SOBERNESS: Thoughts like &#39;&#39; HOW can the Universe be INFINITE SPACE ?&#33;&#33;&#39;&#39; It&#39;s sooo Ungraspable. But then again the Question: &#39;&#39;How could Space have an &#39;&#39;END&#39;&#39; to it&#39;&#39; is AT LEAST JUST as CONFUSING. Cause there Couldn&#39;t be an &#39;&#39;END&#39;&#39; or Border to the Universe, or could it be?
      Let&#39;s say there&#39;d just be a WALL that &#39;&#39;Ends&#39;&#39; and &#39;&#39;Borders&#39;&#39; the Universe: What would be BEHIND that Wall then? See wouldn&#39;t be the End, just a Physical barrier with more, physically unreachable, infinity behind it.


      Yeah those are thoughts that blow My mind, but MANY things may become a Million times more Paradox and MindBlowing if you would take the time to think about them.

      Abstract things like: Life, Emotions, Mother Earth, War...etc

      Expecially LIFE since it includes..well SOOO much.
      HOW can it be that I live? What is it that makes us more than just a pile of skin, flesh, blood, bones and organs? What is that sort of &#39;&#39;energy&#39;&#39; that leads us and that we call the Soul? It&#39;s sooo Ingraspable:
      When my cat comes walking in when I&#39;m in such thoughts it (Pleasantly )Confuses me even more: A CAT, yet another Intricate, Living &#39;&#39;Being&#39;&#39;, so different but I can see the same Emotions and Characteristics So Typical to &#39;&#39;Life&#39;&#39; in his eyes. And all taht Hair, with such a beautifull pattern on it&#39;s fur.....woooow




      I once was Tripping on Magic Mushrooms when my Cat came walking into my room and Sat with me and my Tripping Friends:


      oh Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit&#33; That made for Quite an Experience
      Me and my mate Ian have been Worshipping my Cat for the Rest of the Night as we were so aware of what a Miracle of life he was, just like us and many other living beings.
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      *laughs @ ska worshipping a cat*

      two days ago i had my first full-blown bemushrooment in quite awhile. at one point i stared my roomie&#39;s dog in the eyes for at LEAST three minutes (was listening to a song which served afterwards for an "objective" reference point) as she returned it enraptured.

      normally she is the most skittish dog and would not stand for this for even 5 seconds, so this was remarkable.

      experience has fully convinced me that animals (including human ones) can sense the altered vibrations one emanates while psychedelic...they are invariably drawn to them through their most concentrated source:the eyes.

      the funny thing is that while you and your friend were worshipping the cat, it was probably worshipping you two&#33; :bravo:


      “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” (or better yet: three...)
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      No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker. - Mikhail Bakunin

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      procreation blows my mind.

      The fact that we can create a life - with instincts, emotions, and conciousness all created by the physical act of sex.

      The fact that a pregnant woman&#39;s body does a complete 180 during pregnany: instinctively re-routing all of our body&#39;s nourishment and energy to the fetus before it consumes any nourishment for itself.

      what REALLY blows my mind is wondering at what point does of development do we gain spirit and conciousness?


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      Quote Originally Posted by SpaceFlower View Post
      procreation blows my mind.

      The fact that we can create a life - with instincts, emotions, and conciousness all created by the physical act of sex.

      The fact that a pregnant woman&#39;s body does a complete 180 during pregnany: instinctively re-routing all of our body&#39;s nourishment and energy to the fetus before it consumes any nourishment for itself.

      what REALLY blows my mind is wondering at what point does of development do we gain spirit and conciousness?
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      Yeah it is profound. Especially when you Realise that is how we all came to be. We&#39;re all such profoundly intricate beings in Shape and Soul, complete with Emotions, awareness, thoughts, preferences, love, hate...and all that bullshit. Yet we all started as a bunch of cells growing in our mother&#39;s Uteris. Straaaange. I agree.

      Also the &#39;&#39;What-if&#39;&#39; Theory. What if I never started listening to Alternative Music? How would that Furtherly have affected the Course of my Life? I would probably not have gone to Lowlands Festival, but who knows how different my life would have been HAD I made another choice back then.

      WHAT if my parents never devorced. How would my Life have been now? very Different maybe? Or maybe not. Ingraspable too ainit?
      Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Choice and heaven.

      And i believe there is no such thing as an accident. Everything happens for a reason.
      An Idea. A single idea from the human mind can build cities. An idea can transform the world and rewrite all the rules.

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      A lot of stuff blows my mind when I&#39;m on weed.
      Kekeke.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/t...x-Dimoffree.png
      On the 4th dimension, btw.

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      What came first the chicken or the egg.

      Also when did time start, what happened 10 minutes before it started?
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      You're just jealous that I'm more of a man than you could ever be, sweetie pie.
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      Time didn&#39;t start. "Time" doesn&#39;t even exist. Time is a measurement made up by human beings to measure the length between two events.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TweaK View Post
      Time didn&#39;t start. "Time" doesn&#39;t even exist. Time is a measurement made up by human beings to measure the length between two events.
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      That sounds about right.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
      You're just jealous that I'm more of a man than you could ever be, sweetie pie.
      Shoot for the moon, even if you miss it you will land among the stars.

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      If I recall correctly, some philosopher thought of that and a lot of scientists agreed. Or maybe the other way around. But anyways, I think there&#39;s a wikipedia article on it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TweaK View Post
      A lot of stuff blows my mind when I&#39;m on weed.
      Kekeke.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/t...x-Dimoffree.png
      On the 4th dimension, btw.
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      That&#39;s because weed is also Psychedelic. It expands conciousness. Suddenly the tiniest everyday details jump forward into your attention and reveal that they aren&#39;t as &#39;&#39;normal&#39;&#39; as usually thought.

      Many times, but even more so when I&#39;ve just smoked a big fat Spliff, I sit in my Windowpane on the 3d floor: I overlook my neighborhood, the houses, windows, people, trees, sky, planes, sunlight, shadows, birds and sounds.... And I am struck with awe:

      How did that all come to be? How did that all rise from the soil once?
      Try smoking a spliff on a sunny day, lay down in the Grass and look up. preferably with alot of trees, and other things in your field of vision and not only the sky:

      Lying on the ground looking up like that makes you realise more how everything was built and grown from the Ground up, and not the other way around as many people claim. That truely blows my Mind. Seriously Go and try it.

      PS: A spliff isn&#39;t needed, but it DOES add up to the magical nature of the experience since it even more so expands conciousness of the beauty of it all. ever wondered why Stoners are so peacefull?
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      Yeah. I don&#39;t get it why people go "omg teh stonerz b so iritating nd liek OMFG dey destroy our property yo&#33;". Seriously. Stoners are peaceful and only mind their own stoner-business (mostly).

      That being said, I have done that a time ago. Me and these 2 friends of mine were smoking some blunts in this very peaceful area next to a beach. There was this grassy area surrounded by trees (and a small path) next to the water. That&#39;s where we smoked. We laid down on the grass and just talked about the trees, nature, that kind of stuff. It was the best.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TweaK View Post
      Yeah. I don&#39;t get it why people go "omg teh stonerz b so iritating nd liek OMFG dey destroy our property yo&#33;". Seriously. Stoners are peaceful and only mind their own stoner-business (mostly).

      That being said, I have done that a time ago. Me and these 2 friends of mine were smoking some blunts in this very peaceful area next to a beach. There was this grassy area surrounded by trees (and a small path) next to the water. That&#39;s where we smoked. We laid down on the grass and just talked about the trees, nature, that kind of stuff. It was the best.
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      Hey TweakMan, where in The Netherlands do you live? We should smoke a fatty together some day Fuck knows we may already know eachother I smoke alot with people round here and we pick a nice quiet lake at the Eastern outskirt of Rotterdam. it&#39;s full of nature for the extra Natural Philosophical feel it has I mushroom&#39;D there too. Wonderfull place so close to my House.
      Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Haha I&#39;m from Almere (Flevoland), which is pretty far from Rotterdam.
      Also, I quit. I did my last joint ever a couple of days ago (before that, I took "a break" for 2 months already).

      So yeah. I doubt I&#39;ll do weed again in the future.

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      Lots of things, but one that truely stands out and ive contimplated this on 60% of my trips. I first got the notion on my first opium trip.
      The universe is vast, and we as a species are pretty dumb, theres no way that once we ruin ourselves and humans arnt around anymore. That cant just be &#39;it&#39;. There HAS to be other things in the universe, there has to be billions apon billions of other species in this universe. and galaxy...
      "Computer games don&#39;t affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we&#39;d all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
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