Thread: Wisdom

Not to commit the same faults and errors, for example.
Besides, see at all religions, to what common ignorance of stupid crowds is leading...

I believe in the teapot.

because we all want to immporove ourselves, and the mind is the most mysterius part of us

because we all want to immporove ourselves, and the mind is the most mysterius part of us[/b]

Advances on neurology means we know about 99% of what the brain does. If you dont know much about science then itself would seem mysterious kind of like a child looking at a airplane and saying mysterious when somebody else who actually read up on plane would know it based on simple physics.

I mean the actual mind, not the brain, and you gratly exagerate the knowlege we have on the brain

I mean the actual mind, not the brain, and you gratly exagerate the knowlege we have on the brain[/b]

Well the mind

(in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.: the processes of the human mind [/b]

As i said if you knew about neurology and psychology most of the mind is covered. for example with MRi scans we know where reasoning logic e.t.c. come from and how memory works how we make decision e.t.c. everything pretty much covered by both. Well the scientific community knows about 90% of how the mind works and it has been tested e.t.c.
I think you should read up on neurobiology and psychology more.

do you know how thought is formed? When the mind first becomes aware? How the mind can percieve itself?

do you know how thought is formed? When the mind first becomes aware? How the mind can percieve itself?[/b]

Thought is formed in the womb about six to seven mounths however their is no self consciousness. Common Keeper, well the mind can percieve itself because it has necessary cognitize function like a ape or a dolphin who has passed the mirror test. When you percieve yourself neuorons or neural network display a pathway, which was built by evolution which suggest why apes have it and not other animals unless highly developed. Well this neural pathway is developed from a child by your massive cerebral cortex and temeporal lobe these pathways get activated when you look at or percieve yourself. I can go further if you want keeper.

Fist of all, Becoming dont lie
99%, tht statistic is bull

On the topic of Wisdom
if it is interchangeable with knowldge,
we have innate need to be superior
we beleive that with more knowledge with more wisdom we can be superior
the same with people obsession with body buildion, another form of expressing superiority
Imran

I think the curiosity, the quest for truth we all have in ourself (but sometimes, sadly, totally blacked out), that is what I think is most special about humans. One side of the resourcefulness it produces made us this great (our society and our effect on the environment). However there is a difference between practical desire for wisdom, knowledge ect and a desire for justice, truth for other reasons.

Or something.

And why we have it? Because we don't have fangs nor can we eat grass. That really is the only reason.

Considering our natural human tendencies, I think that humans have a tendency to seek knowledge becaues of our Gestalt psychology.

We always seek to label things, establish complexes of understanding, we seek nomenclature for everything, even if the meanings and context are completely ambiguous. Why do we seek to do this? To try and make sense and understand the world. To keep our worlds consistent and intact. If we did not have this tendency to try and create labels for everything, complexes of understanding, then we would always be confused and lost!

I think that our natural psychology to reach a goal clouds or judgement on the meaning of life. Do a Google image search of "Gestalt" and you will find many pictures and paintings that illustrate this tendency of ours. Even with completel obscure pictures, we somehow make them into an object - sometimes the same object can be perceived in two completely different ways!

Think of natural human activity - we always seek closure. When someone dies, we need a funeral. When we love someone, we need a ceremony for marriage. (Perhaps not marriage, but some sort of symbolism or act to establish a complex of understanding). There are many examples.. just look around you! The truth of the matter is this text in itself is a random bunch of pixels and what-not, but you naturally piece them together syntactically to make sense of what you are looking at! Stare at a wall that was painted with bloches - you will eventually begin to see a pattern. Stare at something like a picket fence, brick wall, etc. then think of a number or letter - you will see it appear in the object! (That is given that it is possible to forumulate the letter/number in the pattern you are looking at.. I usually cannot see a 4 in a cloud no matter how hard I try.) It's amazing!

I hope I have been enlightening.

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Knowledge is power.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

I believe in the teapot.
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Wow, my my, your very wise. 'Tea pots hold the answer'

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

because we all want to immporove ourselves, and the mind is the most mysterius part of us
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Our own mind, and self-discovered truth certainly sheds light on that mysteriousness.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Advances on neurology means we know about 99% of what the brain does. If you dont know much about science then itself would seem mysterious kind of like a child looking at a airplane and saying mysterious when somebody else who actually read up on plane would know it based on simple physics.
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See below. I more agree with that, all tho I feel you may be right about the physical brain mass, its the actual psychology and real life experiences of the single person that generates wisdom, and thats mysterious. Experiences cannot be mapped out or seen on a MRI.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Fist of all, Becoming dont lie
99%, tht statistic is bull

On the topic of Wisdom
if it is interchangeable with knowldge,
we have innate need to be superior
we beleive that with more knowledge with more wisdom we can be superior
the same with people obsession with body buildion, another form of expressing superiority
Imran
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Imran, is it possible to be wise, or is it wise,to seek superiority? I would say cunning over wisdom.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

I think the curiosity, the quest for truth we all have in ourself (but sometimes, sadly, totally blacked out), that is what I think is most special about humans. One side of the resourcefulness it produces made us this great (our society and our effect on the environment). However there is a difference between practical desire for wisdom, knowledge ect and a desire for justice, truth for other reasons.[/b]

There are certainly desires for truth and justice and should be administered through wisdom.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Or something.

And why we have it? Because we don't have fangs nor can we eat grass. That really is the only reason.
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Possibly, thats certainly one theory.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Considering our natural human tendencies, I think that humans have a tendency to seek knowledge becaues of our Gestalt psychology.[/b]

What do you mean by our "great psychology?

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

We always seek to label things, establish complexes of understanding, we seek nomenclature for everything, even if the meanings and context are completely ambiguous. Why do we seek to do this? To try and make sense and understand the world. To keep our worlds consistent and intact. If we did not have this tendency to try and create labels for everything, complexes of understanding, then we would always be confused and lost! [/b]

Yes, loss and confusion are opposite of wisdom.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

I think that our natural psychology to reach a goal clouds or judgement on the meaning of life. Do a Google image search of "Gestalt" and you will find many pictures and paintings that illustrate this tendency of ours. Even with completel obscure pictures, we somehow make them into an object - sometimes the same object can be perceived in two completely different ways!

Think of natural human activity - we always seek closure. When someone dies, we need a funeral. When we love someone, we need a ceremony for marriage. (Perhaps not marriage, but some sort of symbolism or act to establish a complex of understanding). There are many examples.. just look around you! The truth of the matter is this text in itself is a random bunch of pixels and what-not, but you naturally piece them together syntactically to make sense of what you are looking at! Stare at a wall that was painted with bloches - you will eventually begin to see a pattern. Stare at something like a picket fence, brick wall, etc. then think of a number or letter - you will see it appear in the object! (That is given that it is possible to forumulate the letter/number in the pattern you are looking at.. I usually cannot see a 4 in a cloud no matter how hard I try.) It's amazing!

I hope I have been enlightening.

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It's interesting you mention that cause I used to look at things all the time and see a 3rd dimension, like seeing a 3D pitcher, I noticed that staring at our car ceiling on the way to grade school, around hte 2nd grade. Yes it is amazing.

I certainly agree with you.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Knowledge is power.
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yes but, it takes wisdom to secure power.

Knowledge is power.[/b]

Albert Einstein
Imagination is more important than knowledge.

For those who have not encountered Gestalt psychology (not to be confused with "great" psychology ), here is a definiton from dictionary.com:

Gestalt [Ger.,=form], school of psychology that interprets phenomena as organized wholes rather than as aggregates of distinct parts, maintaining that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The term Gestalt was coined by the philosopher Christian von Ehrenfels in 1890, to denote experiences that require more than the basic sensory capacities to comprehend. In 1912, the movement was given impetus in psychology by German theorists Max Wertheimer, Wolfgang Köhler, and Kurt Koffka as a protest against the prevailing atomistic, analytical psychological thought. It was also a departure from the general intellectual climate, which emphasized a scientific approach characterized by a detachment from basic human concerns. According to the school, understanding of psychological phenomena such as perceptual illusions could not be derived by merely isolating the elementary parts for analysis, because human perception may organize sensory stimuli in any number of ways, making the whole different from the sum of the parts. Gestalt psychologists suggest that the events in the brain bear a structural correspondence to psychological events; indeed, it has been shown that steady electric currents in the brain correspond to structured perceptual events. The Gestalt school has made substantial contributions to the study of learning, recall, and the nature of associations, as well as important contributions to personality and social psychology. Gestalt therapy, developed after World War II by Frederick Perls, believes that a person's inability to successfully integrate the parts of his personality into a healthy whole may lie at the root of psychological disturbance. In therapy, the analyst encourages clients to release their emotions, and to recognize these emotions for what they are. Gestalt psychology has been thought of as analogous to field physics.[/b]

I hope it is enlightening.

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Gestalt psychology sucks. Boris sidis all the way

Other Gestalts psychologist Perkins believes insight deals with three processes:
1) Unconscious leap in thinking. [1].
2) The increased amount of speed in mental processing.
3) The amount of short-circuiting which occurs in normal reasoning. [2]
Other views going against the Gestalts psychology are:
1) Nothing-Special View
2) Neo-Gestalts View
3) The Three-Process View[/b]

Seems like mobo jumbo to me. This is as bad as fraudien views. Also what happen to MRi brain scans and looking at cognitize dysfunctions.

Gestalt therapy (GT) has its roots in psychoanalysis. It was part of a continuum moving from the early work of Freud, to the later Freudian ego analysis, to Wilhelm Reich and his notion of character armor. [/b]

It getting worse.

If one person has a delusion we call it insanity, if many share that delusion we call it religion."

-Robert M. Persig 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' [/b]

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Gestalt psychology sucks. Boris sidis all the way

Seems like mobo jumbo to me. This is as bad as fraudien views. Also what happen to MRi brain scans and looking at cognitize dysfunctions.

It getting worse.
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Firstly, Freud's views contributed to the world on a scale which every human can only hope to achieve. His views drastically evolved human understanding. Even if you wish to compare this to this most theoretically evil person, let's say Hitler, he still developed and evolved much of the world and his knowledge should be taken into consideration no matter what their personal intentions were.

Secondly, I can not extrapolate any real justification or cause for your attack on my post other than being an assclown. It is a simple concept of psychology that is factual - you exercise Gestalt psychology everyday. You do not need MRI scans for Gestalt psychology since it is not even relevant to nearly 90% of its school!

Unless you have good reason for attacking, unless you have good justification for your reasoning, please refrain from spewing garbage.

Edit: I was going to delete what I said above because it is a lot more hostile than what I usually am.. but I decided that I refuse to even censor myself. Instead, I would like to add something:

I offered Gestalt psychology merely as a conceptual answer to why humans seek knowledge and wisdom. By that I mean the natural human tendency to collect things into a "whole". Nothing more than this. I am not an advocate of Gestalt therapy, etc.

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Originally Posted by O

I offered Gestalt psychology merely as a conceptual answer to why humans seek knowledge and wisdom. By that I mean the natural human tendency to collect things into a "whole". Nothing more than this. I am not an advocate of Gestalt therapy, etc.

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I Agree with that, wisdom is knowledge applide, the exorcise of applying expirieance/knowledge to a greater manipulation of ones surroundings. Yes... No!

actually, no it isn't

Knowledge = tomato is a fruit
Wisdom = you dont use tomatoes in a fruit salid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_M-9zPpIvWU
I am a teapot athesist are you.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_M-9zPpIvWU
I am a teapot athesist are you.
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Good video.

I notice you have a knack for digression and completely irrelevant things... at least they're interesting!

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Originally Posted by Keeper

actually, no it isn't

Knowledge = tomato is a fruit
Wisdom = you dont use tomatoes in a fruit salid
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Thats damn funny.! LOL. And very true!

Originally Posted by Keeper

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_M-9zPpIvWU
I am a teapot athesist are you.
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I'm not a tea pot, do you smoke pot? I'm gnostic, Atheist, and theist.

Originally Posted by Keeper

Good video.

I notice you have a knack for digression and completely irrelevant things... at least they're interesting!

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Only when it's prudent, of fortuitous...is that wise?