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it seems that (most) humans view everything as having a beginning, a life span, and an end. but what plants this seed so deep within our minds? i think it is that every human (and living being, for that matter) is born, lives a certain amount of time, and dies. i think this is also why people have always had the undying desire to discover how the universe began. but, is it so hard to imagine that the universe has existed forever? that it had no beginning, and will never have an end? (this actually brings up a whole other discussion regarding the creation of something out of nothing). i try to imagine that the universe will exist for eternity. it is so difficult to accept that idea that even when i die, when I dont exist, the universe will infinitely live on. i could keep going for a long time, (but not as long as the universe, ha). what do you guys think? |
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then theres my thumb, well hes a grumpy one, he goes GRRRRR to you.
well, then you must ask "What was it like a few seconds ago |
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"There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." ~Albert Einstein
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I totally agree with the one that started the topic. It is just weird how most people really can't grasp the concept of infinity. Well to be honest, nigher can I. I am human, and humans just don't have any Use for being able to grasp infinity. 'In the wild we encounter NOTHING infinite. |
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What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought' -Hume
well I think in a practical sense, assuming everything has a beginning and an end is a good way of finding out if it doesn't. becuase if we assume it began we can try to discover when its beginning was or how it happened. and we can formulate how it can end. its just more exciting when we discover it might not have begun, or it will not end. |
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In all reality, even if everything ceased to exist, the universe itself could never cease to exist. I think that the universe itself is an intangible concept. It has no beginning or end b/c even w/o any matter in it the space itself would still exist. So, lets say one day the world ends, and so does every other world. The universe would still exist. Some scientists seem to think that the universe is actually imploding, which would be impossible since it has no end.. Odd... |
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
One time, when a friend and I were discussing this type of thing while high, I came to the conclusion that time is a circle, not a line that extends forever forwards and backwards, so there is no need for a begining or an ending, everywhere could be the begining or ending. Further, I postulated that time might be an actual 3-D space, like a sphere or something, and that we could move around time wherever we want if we could only truly realize what that meant and its implications. Anyway, the jist was that beginings and endings are made up by us because we can't truly comprehend "infinity." I managed to write down, during our discussion, the two defining sentences that I uttered (these freaking blew us away at the time, and one of my other friends didn't even believe I said it because it was so good): "There can be no starting points. If there are no starting points, then we can go wherever we want." Looking back, it obviously doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then again, who knows? |
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La dee da
I also agree with you. I didn't got high while making it up, but I agree that time might very well be a circle of some sort. Like a circle in the 4th or 5th dimension, not an actual tangible circle of course |
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What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought' -Hume
Most of you are still stuck in causal thinking...Once you step outside it you realize...Time is a farce. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
I liked that last post... |
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Getting back to LDing
-This can be a dream-
For ideas, May I suggest my thread... Are You Truely 'Self'-Aware? |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
I tend to believe that the collapse of the universe is in fact, what creates it in the first place. It gives birth to itself through it's own death in an endless cycle. It's the most logical explanation that I've read about and not so hard to believe when you accept that time is really just human perception of the physical laws of the universe. |
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Yea, I've thought about that alot too. I talked about that in 'The Eternal Now' thread. hehe...it's really not my intention to shamelessly plug my threads...just point you in the direction of what you were thinking already. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
"There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." ~Albert Einstein
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I don't know, I just heard it can. |
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What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought' -Hume
okay, but it doesn't sound very logical ... |
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"There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." ~Albert Einstein
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no, I meant the black-hole bit. Time isn't an issue for me |
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"There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." ~Albert Einstein
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It's called Hawking radiation, here is the announcement from 2004 I just googled, when Hawking cracked the "black hole paradox". Looks like he also lost a bet (or so it says in the article) he had made in 1997. Oh, I wish I'd understand more physics, sounds interesting. |
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