Thread: Are You Truly Self-aware?

Self awareness is one thing, Self realization is another. The desriptions rendered throughout this topic do demonstrate keen awareness, but seems to lack the compassion that flows with realization.

Compassion is not a requisite of realization...

Again, that's one's own subjective judgement as to what determines compassion or non-compassion...some people weep for their mother...others for mankind...others for themselves... all situations are the same...

Are eternal lament, and pity something of be-reverence? Yes, and No...All modes of thinking are worthy of equal respect and disrespect...

The tumultuous journey that got you to who you are now should be loved and hated at the same instant...so you wholly understand the duality that got you there. Stick too much with one thing and stagnation occurs...Eternal lament gets just as old as eternal happiness.

I follow my own common sense...as should anyone.

As soon as you start your experience here, the subjection begins. Row your boat in whatever direction you want...just don't start shooting cannons at other people's ships and you're ok.

(^o^)v

your part of my entity, for infinity.

Self awarenes is just that, a keen awarenes of Self beyond the self. A Perception that falls just short of actually experiencing the Being of it.

Self Realization is the direct experience of Self, "seeing" as Self. Seeing as such one knows without doubt what such is.

When one has the experience, Energy of the self is percieved as an inward flow towards ones Self. Energy of the Self, however is percieved as an outward pouring, a flow from Self towards all that is.

With Self awareness the ego self is yet strongly intertwined with the perception. Defensiveness, despair, and such are still present. One has not at this point seen definitavely the reality of the self. One has not yet truly began to let go of the duality nor the illusion. The ego self still clouds "the view."

With Self realization the ego self begins to fade, to die for all intents and purposes. Indifference to the dualism grows. Pleasure/pain right/wrong, criticism/praise do not stir one.

Compassion is not a requisite, it is a product, a product of the movement of energy outwards. One is compassion, as compassion looks outwards, not inwards.

One who has seen knows that there is no despair. No disheartening perception to experience. All there is is Bliss and Love, deep seated compassion for those individual selves that arise from Self.

(in response to the initial post):

beautiful. I understand it perfectly.

the truth is...there is no truth, and that's the truth.

I was just thinking about it this morning actually, the splendor of the universe, of existence...it's genious.

it's true, once you see it, all there is left to do is laugh.

(great thread Solskye. I will read all the replies when I get the chance.)

One, or 'Ohm' is both compassion and indifference...Again, too much of one method of the duality thinking leaves you unable to relate to the other... creating another subjective wall of seperation.


The Absolute
AUM (OM, OHM) within Hinduism symbolizes the unborn non-dualistic, omnispresent,
impersonal Absolute, which incoperates all forms of life; which is life. The sacred AUM
symbol above represents both the unmanifest, nirguna, and manifest, saguna,
aspects of the Absolute. By sound and form, AUM symbolizes the infinite Brahman*
(ultimate reality).
• A stands for Creation
• U stands for Preservation
• M stands for Destruction or dissolution

What do you think Buddhist monks are chanting when they go into their trance....
SIMPLY AMAZING
Heard here
Seen again here...wait til the last second
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMM
...they are each able to split their vocal chords into three different tones...which shouldnt be possible...one for each of the three A... U... M...

In order to have TRUE compassion you have equal amount of indifference in order to respect that there will never be 100% Love and Bliss and there will never be 100% Hatred and Death...because the absolute alpha and omega doesn't actually exist in the eternal moment as it stands...NOW (The preservation, if you will)...if it truely did this eternal moment would be null and void...

Ambivalence... towards reality is the only real objective view...

What you described about there ONLY being love and bliss with awareness, while admittedly a nice way to look at it, was unfortunately still subjective...Sorry to break it to you...

(^o^)v... and Oneness

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Ambivalence...
What you described about there ONLY being love and bliss with awareness, while admittedly a nice way to look at it, was unfortunately still subjective...Sorry to break it to you...

(^o^)v... and Oneness

The words I chose, Love, Bliss, and compassion, are the best words to describe what the state is like. The meanings of the words used cannot be taken as absolute. Truly there are no words that can carry or convey that which is experienced in that state. Direct experience is the only true way for one to know what such is.

No need to apaologize, it is I who should apologize for trying to use words to convey meaning for something that is beyond words.

Why should such a state have love, hate or any other emotion. I thought the state is consciousness itself, like the soul, the observer. Isn't everything else like the material subconscious thing. What do you have left when you get rid of everything?

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Why should such a state have love, hate or any other emotion. I thought the state is consciousness itself, like the soul, the observer. Isn't everything else like the material subconscious thing. What do you have left when you get rid of everything?

Let me try again to convey what has been experienced.

Love and hate, compassion, cruelty, fear, anxiety, and such, are all what are labeled emotion. Each variation is also a label, labels that are associated with the illusion.Thats all they are, labels and all thoughts and ideas associated with the labels.

Rather than being different things, all are one thing. All are energy of Self, all are Self. What we see as the labels are just differences in how that one energy is resonating within. Truly, outside the illusion labels and all the ideas associated with them are meaningless.

In the state of Being I describe, I say compassion, Love and Bliss as that is the closest description in relation to the illusion to what the energy is resonating like within in that state. Be aware of your emotions as they burst forth without getting caught up in them. Take a moment and really feel them within. See what there is to see there.

In that state there are no thoughts of such labels or anything relating to them. No thoughts at all, as there is no consciousness to think a thought on. Awareness is all there is. Non discerning, non judgemental awareness. Try for a moment and grasp that.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

In the state of Being I describe, I say compassion, Love and Bliss as that is the closest description in relation to the illusion to what the energy is resonating like within in that state.

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Originally Posted by really

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Completely embracing orgasmic wholeness. Purity beyond verbal comprehension.

Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

Originally Posted by really

Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

I can no way near maintain this state consistently yet...

Only sometimes an experience of such through meditation.

Originally Posted by really

So this state is likened to an emotion?

If not, invent a word, put it in the dictionary, create its definition, and then describe it to us.

Really, what Cloudwalker said is about the closest comparrison to what its like feeling wise. There is no word for it. All one can do is describe what in physical existance it can be closest compared to, and then such a comparrison still falls short.

Originally Posted by really
Interesting. So both you, cloudWalker and NonDualistic are always experiencing this? Is it hard to sustain, or is the feeling automatically maintained because of its greatness?

Again, as Cloudwalker stated, it has been thus the same here.

Knowledge of this State of Presence/Awareness, the actuality of the experience of being that State of Being has been seared into the consciousness and its memory.
From that moment, one realizes that one is that state and always has been and never will not be. However, maintaining such realization while in form is something that takes practice, and its not a practice of effort, its a practice of relaxiation and letting go, letting go of all the conditioning of physical existance and the distractions therin.
Through meditation it is possible for one to drop the illusion so completely that one in form can experience this State for brief moments. Its like the rays of the sun shining through momentary holes in the clouds.
Basically one has to let go of the conditioned idea of who they are, a construct that has been built or aquired since birth into form. Such is the "egocentric" self, the idea that you are this body, its personality, its posessions, its reputation, likes, dislikes, aspirations, passions, wants, desires, attachments, etc etc etc. This construct must fade and for all intents and purposes "die" to fully maintain such Self realization while the body yet lives.
For some, meditation means seclusion.: ie examples of Buddhist monks living in caves away from distraction. For the practitioner of Dzogchen, it means incorporating the State of Presence/Awareness into ones daily life. Life and all its activities becomes a constant unbroken state of meditation. Herein is where I am now, in this practice of letting go and incorporation.

It's a feeling that falls short of any words hence my whole, 'happiness' tattoo on the back of the neck thing. That's my easiest way of summing up that feeling to me.
Having complete inner balance. Something that is lost no matter how slightly when we choose to come back to the discourse of the duality. Making that feeling become something intangible, unable to be expressed to others, and always just out of ones' grasp.

You can always turn inward and return to that state whenever you like, though. And, that's the idea.

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

Terence Mckenna is a genius.

SolSkye, I am really worried about these theories. Although the consequences of this belief may be beneficial to the individual, they are also very misleading and could have residual hostility towards other individuals.

The reason I say this can be encapsulated in your response to this question;
- What is the difference between what you have postulated here and solipsism?

Your response to this is very crucial to my thoughts on the matter..
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Originally Posted by SolSkye

Now it's time to feed your gillets with some Terrence McKenna...

"Culture denies experience...Cultures put in place...a paradigm. And, then what fits within the cultural paradigm is accentuated and stressed. And, what doesn't fit inside the cultural paradigm is denied, marginalized, and argued against. And, we live at the end of a thousand year binge on the philosophical position known as...Materialism, and it's many guises. And, the basic message of materialism is that the world is what it appears to be, a thing composed of matter, and pretty much confined to it's surface..." -Terrence McKenna

The World and its Double Pt.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

~Enjoy!

I want to note that this is edging to debate on the nature of our existance. I want to know what it is you are proposing what a "good" life is; how we 'ought' to live. You showed that it is by realizing that there is no truth. Furthermore, you added that society functions as a machine to propogate materialism and beliefs in order to alienate irrelevant beliefs.

While I agree with this, I must argue that you are subject to doing the very samething. I worry that your argument is unfalsifiable in the sense that there is nothing I can do to show that your argument is incorrect. You would likely respond by saying that I am attempting to reach a truth that does not exist; a pragmatic approach to nonduality. However, I would say that it is your endeavour to show that truth does not exist that is the very problem in itself.

Believe me, seek my old posts on the fact that language is not transcendental to show how I hold truth can not be expressed by humans. The nature of things (what truth desires to be via human expression) can only be experienced. Your idea of this is evident, but we differ on our methods to attain this understanding.

I await your response before elaborating..

What do you think...?
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I have to take care of some things this evening, not to mention it's 2AM here in Japan, but I will give it some thought and respond to this properly sometime tomorrow.

In the meantime, if you haven't already, you might want to check if I haven't already answered some of your questions in the 5 pages of the thread.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

I have to take care of some things this evening, not to mention it's 2AM here in Japan, but I will give it some thought and respond to this properly sometime tomorrow.

In the meantime, if you haven't already, you might want to check if I haven't already already answered some of your questions in the 5 pages of the thread.

The previous posts do not touch on what I am aimed to discuss with you about this topic. You see, I agree that there is no truth, but for different reasons. I am not completely clear why you believe there is no truth, and I get the impression that that would be the very reason you would justify that there is no truth.

I would point out that there is no truth or self-awareness because we cannot express this to others and have even great difficulty expressing it to ourselves. The only way to be self-aware or to justify existance is to oneself and to simply exist. It is tautological.

However, finding solitude in chaos is something I advocate. I am simply curious how you are justifying your reasoning. Is it something dogmatic? (There is no truth or self-awareness because you cannot express it or demonstrate it) Or, what is the difference between what you are saying and solipsism?

We may be happier in enjoying chaos but I would not make the step to think that it is because I am the projector and creater of my external reality.
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Well, one thing I never try and refer to directly are the terms, 'good' and 'evil' because I find those terms to be vague extremes that don't actually exist, except on paper in people's minds. And, those terms are left up to each individual's imagination to determine which is which.

I do think that the terms, 'positive' and 'negative', are ideas we can relate to because it is what lines the very fabric of our universe and essence of our being. Life -- Death; Light -- Dark; Hot -- Cold... ad-infinitum

Since everything essentially came from the same singularity in space, it means you and all that surrounds you are an amalgamated randomized ever-changing interpretation of itself perceptually aware of the the countless randomized branches extending outward, at any given moment. Which when you think deeply about it, is actually a glance into the many faces of your true self. Some of those faces are easier to relate to than others, some are frightening and hard to accept, others are exciting. All of them are inescapably a part of you as the self-aware universe.

I always equate it to walking through a hall of mirrors of the mind, introspectively looking into the different aspects of the conscious self in the grand sense of the word.

I agree that these vague terms are problematic because of their transcendental affirmations which language and the individual is incapable of expressing.

However, you did not address my question; how is this different than solipsism? It still sounds very similar.
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It's different in the sense that I also acknowledge the moment existing. I consider it an extension of you.