• Thread: Are You Truly Self-aware?

1.  Fractals are frigging awesome. If you magnify any piece of the image, it'll look just like the original image (same if you zoom out). It's kind of like my conception of the universe. SolSkye I completely see where you're coming from. It makes sense to me.

2.  Just exactly who's watching who in this crazy pyramid of life? Makes you think... Fractals

3.  I can't go on with this argument until you convince me that the universe will equal zero. As X approaches an asymptote from one side, the value gets infinitely close to zero. Eventually, there's a value for X where you are sooooo close to zero, nobody cares if you finally call it zero. Embarrassingly, I don't remember the name of this number (a little help here?). To apply this to the universe, however, is ridiculous and irresponsible. So what if the universe is only 1.0x10^-1,000,000,000 away from becoming flat? That's still a value. But perhaps you don't grasp infinity...? There is no room for generalizing when the universe is involved. And who is to say that once it cannot expand any further, it won't simply start deflating?

4.  Originally Posted by Solskye, along with his wall of twatty text Aww, that's so cute! Look at how small it is!

5.  Originally Posted by Abra I can't go on with this argument until you convince me that the universe will equal zero. As X approaches an asymptote from one side, the value gets infinitely close to zero. Eventually, there's a value for X where you are sooooo close to zero, nobody cares if you finally call it zero. Embarrassingly, I don't remember the name of this number (a little help here?). To apply this to the universe, however, is ridiculous and irresponsible. So what if the universe is only 1.0x10^-1,000,000,000 away from becoming flat? That's still a value. But perhaps you don't grasp infinity...? There is no room for generalizing when the universe is involved. And who is to say that once it cannot expand any further, it won't simply start deflating? I doubt it'll convince you but, here are some articles pertaining to one I read about accelerating cosmic expansion simply by observing dark energy last month in New Scientist Magazine... I don't think it's anything special I'm realizing here. Mainly, these feelings are intuitive, backed by actual scientific data and evidence. One just has to open themselves up to the information. Dark Energy Dark Energy Confirms Cosmic Expansion New Scientist Article on Cosmic Expansion and Dark Energy

6.  It's interesting to note that all four diagrams assume that there was a beginning point. We assume this because of the evidence the universe expands, it must have meant it was smaller at one point. But what evidence is there aside from this that there was a big bang? For all we know, the pattern of universal expansion could be a sine curve. I'll take a look over the whole thread again tomorrow. G'night.

7.  I just uploaded a new song for the new year... I took a sample from a lecture given by Terrence McKenna with his message to artists and art. I sang on the second half of the song... SolSkye's Music Come Dither While Rome Burns Art's task is to save the soul of mankind. And that anything less is a dithering while Rome burns. Because if the artists who are self-selected for being able to journey into the other, If the artist cannot find the way, then the way cannot be found. --- Tried and true, this you knew, just look at you now, flying over the rainbow. Oh, that jewel you're holding, silence is golden, Let's see what your made of... ---- Not a grain of sand, in your hand, can be saved, from the wave, Are you hiding in your cave? It's open road, a story untold, things around you grow old, Think it ooover!...

8.  If it is only you (or me) that exists, then why bother writing this. Why am I bothering to write this, as I'm only writing to myself.. if only I exist. This view is called solipsism..

9.  Originally Posted by george If it is only you (or me) that exists, then why bother writing this. Why am I bothering to write this, as I'm only writing to myself.. if only I exist. This view is called solipsism.. Solipsism? I never invented that!

10.  I think the main issue here is a question that one should pose to themself. Do the assumptions made while under the influence of brain altering chemicals actually have enough merit to base an entire world view on them? Acid makes the absurd seem signifigant. Whats to say that what is being interpreted as insight and an "openness" to the information isn't actually a drug induced madness that can never be backed by rigorous scientific experimentation, or even sober spiritual meditation?

12.  Originally Posted by SolSkye Me: I fail to see how putting an easy label or package on something so vast and in-comprehensive is even possible. Sorry, SolSkye, but that is not sufficient reasoning to dispute the argument. Is it not similar to saying, as the people who disliked the heliocentric system, when they said "how could you say this about the world? It is so important and vast! It must be the center of the universe!"? I am not simply saying that the self (at my finite level of understanding and perception) is the only thing to exist. I think what a severe problem with this thread of yours is that you have failed to define what the "self" is. I would be very interested in reading it. I am saying that everyone and everything at any moment, is the true self manifest. It makes the coupled letters S. E. L. F. pretty hard to wrap your head around, don't you agree? There is always a place where you can start-- your 'self'. However, wiping your hands free of something by cataloguing and filing it away like an overdue library book by titling it 'solipsism' and giving it no more thought isn't giving the concept, or your 'self' for that matter, enough credit. So, let's not sell ourselves short, shall we? "Do not call something so important such a simple word" While I agree that words fail in representing the transcendental matters, you fail in truly responding with a substantial point other than "how can you label something so vast"? The point is what Solipsism represents; the world as created by one individual with consciousness and everything else as a contingent of that individual. Are you trying to completely ignore this argument by simply saying, "Don't label it something; that takes away meaning"? Naturally, assumptions only have merit when backed by evidence, coherence, and rationale. Yes, while on acid there are a lot of incoherent things that seem pretty coherent or significant at the time but later seem pretty stupid and trivial. I'm not sitting here discussing those things, however. You had an acid trip and think you found the definition of self-awareness? Can you even define "self" or explain what it is with a shred of parsimony? Realization can be had through any mode of thought. That much should be obvious by now. I concur. ~

14.  Okay, I tried to touch on this before but I think I stepped into digression. I can see where your thoughts lead and I really want you to consider this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46070 Please try and absorb it as best as possible because I think it is very similar, if not exactly, what you are saying. If that being the case, then I can entirely agree with you. Please let me know what you think. ~

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