Thread: The Law Of Attraction

We all have the ego to some extent, yourself included. It helps to be aware of it. It can serve us at times and hurt us at others. In this particular case, however, I can honestly say I didn't post here in the hopes to feel the "need to be right", as you put it. I could've worded things a lot more harshly if I honestly felt the need to take the ego trip.

I just feel like closing one's self off to feeling that connection to all things and building up walls to seek sanctuary from the comfort of their shell, is a limited and rough way to go about looking at life. I would propose that most problems in this world occur from people thinking themselves separate than others enough to not try to internalize another point of view or look at it from the other person's perspective, wouldn't you agree? You know, "the shoe on the other foot" way of looking at things.

In any event, about the ego trip, that was a misperception on your part.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

We all have the ego to some extent, yourself included. It helps to be aware of it. It can serve us at times and hurt us at others. In this particular case, however, I can honestly say I didn't post here in the hopes to feel the "need to be right", as you put it. I could've worded things a lot more harshly if I honestly felt the need to take the ego trip.

I wasnt commenting on such described ego state presemce in this particular post, just a statement of past observation.

I just feel like closing one's self off to feeling that connection to all things and building up walls to seek sanctuary from the comfort of their shell, is a limited and rough way to go about looking at life. I would propose that most problems in this world occur from people thinking themselves separate than others enough to not try to internalize another point of view or look at it from the other person's perspective, wouldn't you agree? You know, "the shoe on the other foot" way of looking at things.

Yes I would agree. My endeavor is to define this point of connection, and to define such within my own view more specifically. When I can watch discussions and alternate descriptions of things being discussed, if I "internalize" the two parties doing the discussing or commenting I can then see more clearly what it is I am looking at in my own perspective, or "this" particular perspective as the case may be.- or what it is that is in my own "or this" view that is focused on.

In any event, about the ego trip, that was a misperception on your part.

Given what I said above, perhaps rather it was your misperception of what I was referring to?

As a third party that has gotten into decent discussion with both NonDualistic and SolSkye, I want you two to know that I view your beliefs as fundamentally similar.

Perhaps if I am wrong, I would really like to see the differences, but this is my impression at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

What I don't get is, if I think negatively towards something, it doesn't go away!

Surely if the universe contained some kind of invisible sentiencey that could HEAR MY THOUGHTS and freaking UNDERSTAND THEM it can figure out whether I DO or DO NOT want it!

I refuse to be silenced!

Originally Posted by Mark75

That post was of no substance and could have been shortened to "Nuh uh, I'm right."

If my post was of no substance, you couldn't have shortened it.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

What I don't get is, if I think negatively towards something, it doesn't go away!

Does that surprise you? Thinking negative is bound to bring about only negative conditions! You must cast all fears and issues which have no relevance to you into flame, know that dwelling on things and worrying - or simply thinking negatively, is ultimately useless.

If you can't change the conditions, change your thinking. "Think positive" is a widely under-estimated phrase, if put into practice it can shape your entire life, because practice builds it well as brain cells, and soon such bright optimism will always be naturally felt.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Surely if the universe contained some kind of invisible sentiencey that could HEAR MY THOUGHTS and freaking UNDERSTAND THEM it can figure out whether I DO or DO NOT want it!

I know how you feel, but the answers are all within us. It is not a matter of whether the Universe understands us, it's whether we understand the Universe. I don't mean in a physical sense, I mean spiritually - know the Laws which govern all things. Many are too scared to put such "invisible" wisdom and knowledge in action.

Originally Posted by Merlock

really, the real, final reason for why I'm not part of any collective consciousness is because I don't want to be.
As I've said in previous such threads.

I know you've said this in other places in this forum, as I said. The problem is, you don't know that it is not up to you whether you are part of this Universal Mind or not. As Xaqaria said, the only way you can come close to not being part of it, is to commit suicide - even then, I'm not going to mention re-incarnation or possibilities of inevitable after-life, they are a different topic. The only difference, which I believe is causing your confusion, is your Individual Mind - indeed it can be not part of any others, but only because of the slight degree if difference from its origin, the Universal Mind.

Originally Posted by Merlock

No one and nothing can force me, a conscious and self-aware being to become part of anyone else. And don't make consciousness seem less than what it is. It's still something shared with someone else and I share my mind in no way with anyone and I never will. It is for that reason alone that I am not part of any "universal mind".

You can't share your Individual Mind, but you are sharing the Universal as it is where all Individual Minds arise from. You can't escape this, it is natural. It does not depend upon mentality either, for it is spiritual.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

As I said, in my view "collective" is a major misnomer.

Now as I think more of this, what exactly does "collective" mean? Because I think of it as a "global consciousness", where there is a dominant emotion or awareness the world shares, generally.

Merlock, can you please answer my questions?

Ever noticed how you can't speak clearly about these mystical laws that you seem to know so much about?

I mean, Subatomic physics is complex, but the people who are knowledgeable about it can still communicate with the rest of us clearly.

So why not you this?

Originally Posted by really

If my post was of no substance, you couldn't have shortened it.

You'd be amazed at what a delete key is capable of.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Ever noticed how you can't speak clearly about these mystical laws that you seem to know so much about?

I mean, Subatomic physics is complex, but the people who are knowledgeable about it can still communicate with the rest of us clearly.

So why not you this?

Yes I'm sorry, it actually comes from a lot of knowledge - it's a long story. But as I mentioned earlier, "The Master Key System" is where I've learned the great bulk of this information, I have trusted it even if the book even if there is little backing evidence of all kinds. But it works, I made it work, I am satisfied. I recommend you read it, understand that it goes deep, but in proportion that is how much it may mean to you.

What do you want to know, exactly?

Originally Posted by Mark75

You'd be amazed at what a delete key is capable of.

Are you implying that you deleted something that wasn't there? I know what this button does; somebody like you can press it all they want.

Originally Posted by really

Yes I'm sorry, it actually comes from a lot of knowledge - it's a long story. But as I mentioned earlier, "The Master Key System" is where I've learned the great bulk of this information, I have trusted it even if the book even if there is little backing evidence of all kinds. But it works, I made it work, I am satisfied. I recommend you read it, understand that it goes deep, but in proportion that is how much it may mean to you.

What do you want to know, exactly?

I want to know what rubbish this is you insit upon.

Oh, and as I said before: Why cant you explain it without being escoteric?(sp?)

Originally Posted by really

Are you implying that you deleted something that wasn't there? I know what this button does; somebody like you can press it all they want.

I'm implying that you should have deleted your entire post.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I'm implying that you should have deleted your entire post.

Bad implication. Just read my post in a different mood, and you may draw some good use from it. The "delete key" can't delete posts.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I want to know what rubbish this is you insit upon.

Why do you think such a question will help you? Ask a specific one, please.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Oh, and as I said before: Why cant you explain it without being escoteric?(sp?)

"Esoteric"


The answer is, because this is the way I have been taught, I am still trying to work with translations. I am finding translations all over the world, all throughout history, because these are facts which are explained in many ways by many different cultures. But as Gregg Braden mentioned - "Western Science" may have the answers people from this generation are trying to understand. I am going to have to change the way I write I guess, after all I am only working with metaphors.

So you have this abundance of knowledge... But can't use it...

Well that's just ignorance.

Originally Posted by really

Bad implication. Just read my post in a different mood, and you may draw some good use from it. The "delete key" can't delete posts.

My mistake. It can delete the words contained in the post. Have I found your favor now, sensei?

Originally Posted by really

Now as I think more of this, what exactly does "collective" mean? Because I think of it as a "global consciousness", where there is a dominant emotion or awareness the world shares, generally.

"Collective" as applied to consciousness is like a veil hiding the true nature of reality, or the true nature of the situation of the individual as opposed to the many, or self as opposed to other.

Merlock is right, but even the way he states such hides this true nature. This I am seeing now.

There is no collective that the individual stems from.

The individual is from before the beginning, and continues through to after the end.

Collective is only a perception, a concept thereof.

LoL

my only concern with this supposed "law" is that it places onus of negative events on the victim, essentially saying that if a women is raped it is her fault for attracting such a thing. I can't support that, and though i beleive that positive thinking is a huge asset personally, the whole idea of a hard and true law seems empty to me.

Originally Posted by Stryk9

my only concern with this supposed "law" is that it places onus of negative events on the victim, essentially saying that if a women is raped it is her fault for attracting such a thing. I can't support that, and though i beleive that positive thinking is a huge asset personally, the whole idea of a hard and true law seems empty to me.

except, positive 'energies' are far more powerful than negative 'energies'. one positive thought can offset a hundred negative ones...or so I hear.

If you strip all the dogma away from religion, isn't this essentially what it is?
live with love, and you will receive love?

for instance, prayer, is meditating on what you need/want. however, "need" is more powerful than "want". so you tend to get what you need, more then what you want.

true story... I grew up really poor. when I was young we hit a particularly low point, and had no food to eat. we were all hungry obviously, so my mom, being really religious at the time, got us together and we all prayed for food. 10 minutes later a guy we'd never seen before knocked on our door with Pizza, said he bought too many pizzas, and wanted to know if we'd like a few of them. fell a sleep on a full stomach.

"God" doesn't care if you're praying to him, or just sending energy out into the universe. its all the same. God is the universe. we just slapped dogma on it and passed a collection plate around.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

So you have this abundance of knowledge... But can't use it...

Well that's just ignorance.

Well yes it would be ignorance, but that is not what I am implying. Perhaps you derived my "abundance of knowledge" from when I said "from this knowledge does abundance be recognized". But what I meant was, that "from knowing this, you will recognize the abundance of the Universe".

And again, I suggest you ask specifically to your advantage.

Originally Posted by Mark75

My mistake. It can delete the words contained in the post. Have I found your favor now, sensei?

No; going this far, I'd prefer to stop arguing.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

The individual is from before the beginning, and continues through to after the end.

Where do you get this statement from; can you please explain it?

I still believe there is a Universal Mind, but not in terms of collective.

Originally Posted by Stryk9

my only concern with this supposed "law" is that it places onus of negative events on the victim, essentially saying that if a women is raped it is her fault for attracting such a thing. I can't support that, and though i beleive that positive thinking is a huge asset personally, the whole idea of a hard and true law seems empty to me.

We should not judge, anybody or try to understand a situation we are not in, in this context, because we do not know what thoughts they exercise; what deeds they have done in the past, nor what understanding and viewpoint they have of their recent consequences. We are not them; so we may never understand. On the other hand, there are people who preach their experiences to us, knowing that the Truth is the cause for their light.

The quality of thought determines the quality of the experience. If we have become someone different through thinking differently, this will change our destiny. So applies to a majority, if a majority think the same, the majority shall attract the same and better. The most famous celebrities are not concerned about how they look in a movie; how fat they are; they may be more concerned about the social impact of their paparazzi.

What I find amusing is that there are people who see the power of positive thinking and the placebo effect, yet some ignore any acceptation of Faith and the Law Of Attraction.

Originally Posted by awoke

true story... I grew up really poor. when I was young we hit a particularly low point, and had no food to eat. we were all hungry obviously, so my mom, being really religious at the time, got us together and we all prayed for food. 10 minutes later a guy we'd never seen before knocked on our door with Pizza, said he bought too many pizzas, and wanted to know if we'd like a few of them. fell a sleep on a full stomach.

Perfect example. This is the reward of Faith. One must not provide themselves with reasons why things are not working, because negative impressions on the mind are false, and lead us away from the Truth. Knowing that prayer and infinite wisdom are always available, we shall benefit from them when in put into proper practice. Knowing that making reasons for doubt only makes more, but making reasons for Truth shall take you further.

Originally Posted by awoke

"God" doesn't care if you're praying to him, or just sending energy out into the universe. its all the same. God is the universe. we just slapped dogma on it and passed a collection plate around.

Right. Another misconception is that God is a person, but indeed he is not. He is a metaphor, a Father of all things. He does not judge like a human.

Originally Posted by awoke

except, positive 'energies' are far more powerful than negative 'energies'. one positive thought can offset a hundred negative ones...or so I hear.

Okay, seriously people, stop making nonsense up. "Someone told me" is not an excuse to say baseless things. I apologize if this seems overly aggressive of me, but I really hate it when people start talking about "energies".

Originally Posted by awoke

If you strip all the dogma away from religion, isn't this essentially what it is?
live with love, and you will receive love?

Sure, but you need other people to actually receive this love. If you throw a brick up in the air above your head and love it like mad as it falls down towards your face, it won't hurt any less. Love only begets love from other sentient beings who register it. Isn't this common sense?

Originally Posted by awoke

true story... I grew up really poor. when I was young we hit a particularly low point, and had no food to eat. we were all hungry obviously, so my mom, being really religious at the time, got us together and we all prayed for food. 10 minutes later a guy we'd never seen before knocked on our door with Pizza, said he bought too many pizzas, and wanted to know if we'd like a few of them. fell a sleep on a full stomach.

That's a very interesting story, but do you have any idea how many thousands of children die from hunger in third world countries every day? Many of them pray extensively, to no avail. How can you explain this?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Okay, seriously people, stop making nonsense up. "Someone told me" is not an excuse to say baseless things. I apologize if this seems overly aggressive of me, but I really hate it when people start talking about "energies".

yes, it's nonsense because you don't agree with it. ignorance.
this is a conversation, in conversations people draw from their life experiences. these experiences include among other things, things they have heard in other conversations. im not here to write you a fucking thesis, dude. my posts aren't going to include foot-notes and references.
and the "or so I hear" was meant to imply I'm not sure about it. I apologize for not using a cutesy little emoticon like the *eye roll* to properly express that. i thought the ellipsis was enough.

and yeah, "energies" sounds like some new-agey bullshit. but everything is energy. thoughts, feelings, solid objects, the whole nine. everything is energy.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Sure, but you need other people to actually receive this love. If you throw a brick up in the air above your head and love it like mad as it falls down towards your face, it won't hurt any less. Love only begets love from other sentient beings who register it. Isn't this common sense?

there are six billion people walking this earth. thats plenty of people to receive this love. If you do something nice for someone, for no benefit to yourself, you have no idea what that will create. maybe nothing, but maybe the person you helped is more inclined to help someone els down the line. maybe you simply helped them out on a rough day, which is nothing to scoff at. it's like that movie "pay it forward" with Helen Hunt. there's truth in the concept.

you're brick analogy is fucking pointless. you'd have to be a moron to toss a brick into the air and stand beneath it. but loving the people around you, and even those who aren't around you, is not a moronic act. i honestly don't see how that brick statement even fits in with anything said.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

That's a very interesting story, but do you have any idea how many thousands of children die from hunger in third world countries every day? Many of them pray extensively, to no avail. How can you explain this?

age old question. if I had the answer i'd probably write a book.
i do have a guess however...

the guy who gave my fam a pizza when I was young, was doing something generous. if I lived in a country where nobody had money to eat, we probably wouldn't have had that meal that night, as nobody would have had it to give. Im sure there are acts of generosity in third world countries that keep some of those kids from starving to death.
However, the hunger there is on a larger scale, and therefore needs generosity on a larger scale. thats not happening. the industrialized countries aren't giving to these people. if everyone in America and the UK started donating money to relief funds, maybe more prayers would be answered. but we dont. we buy big screen TVs instead. maybe instead of waiting for god to step in, we need to save ourselves. maybe we won't see heaven until we build it right here.

Experience comes thru giving. someone may be in love with you, but you don't experience love unless you love them, unless you give them your love.
same with compassion, and on down the line.
If people were really living selflessly...the only way we'll survive the mess were headed into..we wouldn't buy that TV, we'd buy an ambulance for a third world country. which you can do for a mere $500 by the way. much cheaper than a big screen TV.

Originally Posted by awoke

yes, it's nonsense because you don't agree with it. ignorance.

No, it's nonsense because "positive and negative energies" not only implies objective morality, it's also a huge friggin' doorway to pseudoscience land. It's fine to reference these things in subjective terms, because there are such things - 'positive energy' can refer to just being happy and making others around you happy... fine! But as soon as you start talking about the effects these 'energies' have on inanimate objects in near-scientific terms, you're treading on dangerous ground. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by awoke

there are six billion people walking this earth. thats plenty of people to receive this love. If you do something nice for someone, for no benefit to yourself, you have no idea what that will create.

You missed my point, I think, because I agree with you there. Love is a great thing, there can never be too much of it, and any little bit helps. All granted. My point was, however, that love means nothing to anything which is not a sentient being. That means that no matter how much you love the world, if you're alone in the middle of a desert, your love will not get you food. Love only gets you somewhere with other creatures who receive it.

Originally Posted by awoke

you're brick analogy is fucking pointless. you'd have to be a moron to toss a brick into the air and stand beneath it. but loving the people around you, and even those who aren't around you, is not a moronic act. i honestly don't see how that brick statement even fits in with anything said.

Right, you missed my point. Here, you claimed that the universe reacts to love/prayer:

"God" doesn't care if you're praying to him, or just sending energy out into the universe. its all the same. God is the universe.

I then proved, using a hypothetical brick, that the universe at large doesn't give half a shit about how much dopamine is in your skull right now. Other humans do, obviously, but that's not what you or the Law of Attraction imply.

Originally Posted by awoke

the guy who gave my fam a pizza when I was young, was doing something generous. if I lived in a country where nobody had money to eat, we probably wouldn't have had that meal that night, as nobody would have had it to give. Im sure there are acts of generosity in third world countries that keep some of those kids from starving to death.

That's true, and it flies directly in the face of the Law of Attraction. In fact, that's one of the best counter-arguments I've heard so far: if you can get whatever you want just by truly wanting it, and starving people in Africa aren't getting food, are you suggesting that they don't "really" want it?

The LOA claims that the universe at large, which is mostly made up of inanimate objects, responds to our hopes, dreams, and love. You seem to have claimed the same, though from your subsequent points I suspect you didn't mean to.

No, it's nonsense because "positive and negative energies" not only implies objective morality, it's also a huge friggin' doorway to pseudoscience land. It's fine to reference these things in subjective terms, because there are such things - 'positive energy' can refer to just being happy and making others around you happy... fine! But as soon as you start talking about the effects these 'energies' have on inanimate objects in near-scientific terms, you're treading on dangerous ground. That's all I'm saying.

again, i'll point to the, "...or so i hear" part of that post.
but for the sake of argument. I think love is more powerful than fear, at the end of the day. a person will never win my respect or help with fear, though they can easily do it with love.

oh, and morality isn't objective. what's right is right. period. positive and negative energies don't mean objective morality. how did you conclude that?

You missed my point, I think, because I agree with you there. Love is a great thing, there can never be too much of it, and any little bit helps. All granted. My point was, however, that love means nothing to anything which is not a sentient being. That means that no matter how much you love the world, if you're alone in the middle of a desert, your love will not get you food. Love only gets you somewhere with other creatures who receive it.

maybe not. but maybe it will. ever been lost in the desert? maybe praying for/focusing youre thoughts on why it CAN happen, instead of why it CANT happen, would bring a lizard walking your way. which will feed you until that next lizard comes walking by. but again, perhaps not. moral of the story: Don't get lost in the desert.

Right, you missed my point. Here, you claimed that the universe reacts to love/prayer:

no. reread my initial post. I was admittedly slightly off topic, but I was speaking in terms of dogmatic religion. I was equating the law of attraction to prayer. that praying is essentially the law of attraction, and people have been doing it for thousands of years. only they weren't praying for sports cars, because they were praying to a God that can and will judge them. they humbly ask, instead of acting like a kid in a candy store. I was saying dogma aside, praying is the law of attraction. it's the same concept/principle.

I then proved, using a hypothetical brick, that the universe at large doesn't give half a shit about how much dopamine is in your skull right now. Other humans do, obviously, but that's not what you or the Law of Attraction imply.

like I just said above, i wasn't saying prayer/law of attraction is going to stop a brick from cracking your skull. and perhaps you're confused about what the law of attraction implies, or maybe I am. one of us is...
it all happens thru people, or man made opportunity. really wanting a burger and using the law of attraction to get one ins't going to make one grow in your garden. it may, however, play a part in your friend calling you up and saying, "hey man, i was gonna go get a burger, you wanna roll?, im buying"
viola, asked, and received. maybe you really need a car, and put the law of attraction/prayer into action, and while walking downtown the next week, you notice a listing on a kiosk by some guy selling his car stupidly cheap because he needs whatever money he can get ASAP because he's moving, and can't take his car with. (which has happened to me. only thru my fathers co-worker and not a kiosk). I later gave the car away for free to a lady in my neighborhood, after she I heard she desperately needed one to get her kids to school and her self to work. in that case I was the one providing what was needed for someone. it comes and goes.

It isn't magic. it's coincidence. it's synchronicity.

That's true, and it flies directly in the face of the Law of Attraction. In fact, that's one of the best counter-arguments I've heard so far: if you can get whatever you want just by truly wanting it, and starving people in Africa aren't getting food, are you suggesting that they don't "really" want it?

The LOA claims that the universe at large, which is mostly made up of inanimate objects, responds to our hopes, dreams, and love. You seem to have claimed the same, though from your subsequent points I suspect you didn't mean to.

of course i don't think they don't "really" want it. don't be silly.
everything in that quote was responded to in the above paragraph.
and again, third world countries are suffering on a grand scale. for them, wanting is hoping that hamburger is going to grow in the garden. it won't. we have to push this law of attraction shit, too. it's giving and receiving. if you only receive and and don't give, you're an asshole. and it will come back around to you.

and on a side note, living with love, doesnt mean you have to walk around with a plastic smile on, being polite and cordial to everyone. honesty and love are closely related imo. if some guys being a douchebag for no reason, im gonna let him know. and im going to be mean about it if need be.
If someone steps to me to fight, I will defend myself and knock their teeth in. i'll simply pray before i do it.

Originally Posted by awoke

oh, and morality isn't objective. what's right is right. period.

Eh... "objective morality" means "What's right is right".
If you do propose objective morality, then why the heck are abortion and gay marriage causing so much debate? Shouldn't the answer to both be clear?

Originally Posted by awoke

it all happens thru people, or man made opportunity. really wanting a burger and using the law of attraction to get one ins't going to make one grow in your garden. it may, however, play a part in your friend calling you up and saying, "hey man, i was gonna go get a burger, you wanna roll?, im buying"

Okay, so we both agree on why this "Law" actually gives results sometimes. However, you don't fully understand the "Law". The LOA actually claims that the universe itself responds directly to your wishes, with or without people being involved. Yes, people do actually believe something that ridiculous.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Eh... "objective morality" means "What's right is right".
If you do propose objective morality, then why the heck are abortion and gay marriage causing so much debate? Shouldn't the answer to both be clear?



Okay, so we both agree on why this "Law" actually gives results sometimes. However, you don't fully understand the "Law". The LOA actually claims that the universe itself responds directly to your wishes, with or without people being involved. Yes, people do actually believe something that ridiculous.

lol, can't argue with the first part. subjective and objective got twisted around in my head.
I personally think both answers should be clear. gay people should be allowed to Marry, and Women should have the right to have an abortion if they choose to. People spend far too much time trying to control other people. trying to make them fit their particular mold. if you don't agree with abortion, don't get one. simple. you have the right to not speak to people who do, and to hate them if you so choose. but not the right to control them and force them to act as you would.

with abortion you can at lest see the logic in saying it should be illegal.
there is no logic in making it illegal for gay people to marry. thats just ridiculous. sanctity of marriage? roflz. visit vegas. but i'm getting off track..

well, technically they believe the universe puts these people in their path, or puts these opportunities in their path. so its the same principle. its the actually universe doing something cognizant.

do you believe in mind over matter? like, the story of the guy who froze to death in a refrigeration car, even though it hadn't been operation in 5 years. dude believed he was freezing to death so strongly, in his mind it was fact, that he did. law of attraction is just a step off that. in his case something not "physical", his thoughts, had a very real, physical result. if your thoughts can make shit seemingly impossible possible, why not the "ether"?

Well, it's fine if you think that abortion and gay marriage have obvious solutions, but the problem is that claiming objective morality implies some sort of authoritative source of morality - what is this?

Originally Posted by awoke

well, technically they believe the universe puts these people in their path, or puts these opportunities in their path. so its the same principle. its the actually universe doing something cognizant.

Huh. I never thought of it that way. We are a part of the universe, after all... but still, it's not the universe as a whole reacting to the thoughts and wishes, it's only the tiny bits of it that are sentient - my argument is unchanged. There is no real Law of Attraction apart from the effects of simple interactions between human beings.

Originally Posted by awoke

do you believe in mind over matter? like, the story of the guy who froze to death in a refrigeration car, even though it hadn't been operation in 5 years. dude believed he was freezing to death so strongly, in his mind it was fact, that he did. law of attraction is just a step off that. in his case something not "physical", his thoughts, had a very real, physical result.

I believe in matter over matter, and the human brain is most certainly made of matter. Thoughts are also actually 'physical' things - they're electrical impulses in the brain. I don't doubt that it's possible to convince yourself that you're dying to the point where you die... however, you can't actually freeze to death unless it's cold enough - that's physically impossible. The brain can fake the effects on the cognitive level, but you can't actually freeze the inter cellular fluids and things like that.