I was never sure exactly on what the expansion referred to-- either the vacuum itself or the matter at the edge of the vacuum increasing the practical size of the universe. |
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This might have been done but nevertheless, |
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I was never sure exactly on what the expansion referred to-- either the vacuum itself or the matter at the edge of the vacuum increasing the practical size of the universe. |
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LD Count: 7
Longest time in a lucid dreamstate: ~6 seconds
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It is space itself, not the matter. The universe sprung into existance with the big bang, it wasn't just a "matter" explosion inside the universe (I think). We will probably never comprehend "the outside". So it's the same question as the meaning of existance. |
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Limits are useful as a frame of reference. We cannot effectively investigate any given topic without limits. Otherwise, a interaction would have no intent. Our entire culture would be in an ADD induced Stone Age. |
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Hmm, well vacuum spawns partcles all the time, which quickly dissapear again. The big bang spawned the whole universe eaven the vacuum. If you take out the matter and energy, as you say is the universe we live in, you will still be in the universe. A better word for it would be space. |
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So, your saying that the before the Big Bang, there was just a vacuum? |
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Yup. a vacuum wouldn't accurately describe it, since a vacuum only has meaning when there's air to compare it to. |
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Unless otherwise stated, views expressed in this post are not necessarily representative of the official Dream Views stance. Hell, it's probably not even representative of me.
I've always been under the impression that there were an endless amount of universes, galaxies, dimensions, etc... and that if you could reach the end of this universe, you would just go into another one. There may come a day when the universes have become nothing but a chaotic mass once more, b/c in the future, all of the galaxies are supposed to be completely obliterated by the black holes that are in all of them (yes, even ours ). Though, even after that happens, the universe itself will still exist. |
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
My guess is that there are other universes outside our universe. In all of the known nature, whenever there is something, there is another something outside of it. So I see no reason to believe that the universe would be different. But was is outside of everything including all the universes? I find the idea of infinite space impossible to comprehend, and I found the idea of finit space equaly impossible to comprehend. |
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Yes, but if the universe exists long enough, the black holes will evaporate. There are many scenarios like that. Will it keep growing, or will it shrink, etc. Exit mundi handles scenarios like. It's quite a cool website. And besides there is nothing sad about black holes and other stuff like that, I think it's very cool . |
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My prefered representation of the "expansion" is this one: (described in the book The Fabric of the Cosmos) |
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Dec. 2006 - July 2007:
92 DILDs + 30 WILDs ; 75% too short, 24% decent, ~3 of 2 to 5 minutes
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I read somewhere that the universe was a fluctuation in nothingness. So assumably the edge of the universe would be nothing... |
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Maybe it's donut-shaped... so when you eventually get to the "edge" you appear on the other side like Mario Bros. |
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Of course. When in doubt, turn to video games. |
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Well, I was being serious. I was saying that the universe might wrap around in a circle, making a donut shape. It might be a bit off topic though. |
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A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service
and compassion are the things which renew humanity.
Buddha
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҈҈My music҈҈
I've theorized that, if a person were to successfully reach the edge of the universe, and continued going. This person would simply wind up on the complete opposite side of the universe. This would be similar to a person traversing a planet, in a straight line, only to wind up where he or she started, from the very beginning. |
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Say you know the centre of the universe (if it is a sphere shape), then if you took a spaceship to the most far away star/planet/whatever then would you be at the 'edge'? |
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But if you warp around like in pacman, then it should be sphere shaped, and a sphere is a finite shape, so what's upside of the sphere? |
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A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service
and compassion are the things which renew humanity.
Buddha
҉
҈҈My music҈҈
Well I think the 'sphere' they are talking about is a 3 dimensional representation of something consisting of a higher dimension. Thus, 'outside of that 4/5/6/whatever-dimensional sphere really doesn't exist. |
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“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
There would be no "warping". Don't look at the universe as a sphere, and when passing the edge, will magically warp you to the other end. Instead, look at the universe, as a domain, with a never ending edge. With no set boundary or limit. Look at is as, if I keep going, I will just keep going and going, until I end up where I originally started (x,y,z). Just like on Earth. If I start where I'm at now, and continue in a straight line long enough, I will end up right where I started again (x,y). And not because I magically warped there. I look at the universe as the same, but on a higher dimensional perspective. |
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Yeah it does. |
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