Thread: The Subtleties Of Justice

people are afraid that is the core of this. they think that if they coperate then they might get out with there life and that is the problem people are too afraid to help people in need and if that stops then the criminals will have to be more sneaky. if the whole town or city or comunity where to just get together and defend each other then the criminals will have a hard time.

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Originally Posted by Merlock

"Criminals do not die by the hands of the law. They die by the hands of other men."
- George Bernard Shaw

Why is it that justice is such a complicated matter? Courts, trials, technicalities and all that. It's been around for ages on end. Sure, it seems to be a sign of society's overall ability of being "considerate" and humane but...what's the point? Where is the meaning?

Why can someone, whose bag full of money or something else valuable not kill the thief on the spot without having to go through so much of the "justice system"? Surely if a criminal decides to commit a criminal act it means he/she has the skills to get away with it? To steal, to kill, assassinate, destroy, corrupt, etc. - a criminal is a rogue at heart, or should be at least. But with the justice system so precise and lingering, criminal acts take ages at resolving and give plenty a chance for the criminal to get away with it either unpunished or punished lightly.[/b]

I'm sorry but a thief does not deserve to die for stealing money. This is not the middle ages and a person should not be able to be killed or maimed for committing a petty crime. If that person's life were in danger, then I can see where they would be allowed to kill the criminal, but otherwise they would just be committing a far worse crime than was being originally committed. If you just let everyone fend for themselves and kill anyone who they see as a threat, then civilization will be set back 100-200 years when people were lynched, burned at the stake, decapitated, and shot for just being a suspect of a crime. What kind of world would that be to live in?

Though I do agree w/ you about how the justice system doesn't punish criminals as harshly as they should. People who have gone on murdering/raping sprees across America can still somehow have a chance to get out of prison one day. There's something wrong with that. I also think that they should allow the death penalty to still be intact in all states, but only for the most heinous crimes (murder/rape/torture).

From what I read, what you are saying is: "Laws are to complicated, just kill everyone that does something wrong." My question is: What purpose does that serve? Does it serve the people? Not the people that die. Does it serve society? What is so important about a perfect society? I think the current slightly imperfect society is fine.

Originally Posted by Chaos

If you just let everyone fend for themselves and kill anyone who they see as a threat, then civilization will be set back 100-200 years when people were lynched, burned at the stake, decapitated, and shot for just being a suspect of a crime. What kind of world would that be to live in?[/b]

It would be a world with war, yes, but of meaning. Instead of a peaceful world of peaceful life that isn't as meaningful on a large scale, even considering the things that have meaning to any given person. There would be factions of all sorts, there would be plenty of war.

Then again, I'm not one for war myself, nor is it a sound idea to wish for a world full of war of course. I guess on some level I just wish society wouldn't be so much about "go to school as a child, go to work as an adult, and even if you burst out of that and become famous/renowned - all you really achieved is yet another small sign of that society, not something really meaningful like saving someone's life, discovering a new great truth and wisdom, etc.". Where is the danger? Where is the meaning? Sure, the idea of good is to safekeep people from danger and harm but without danger the appreciation of safety wanes. Without a substantial amount of both dark and light in the world, the meaning of life wanes, making the world grey and dull.

Though that's useless in modern society indeed. With fire arms instead of cold weaponry and such - killing and "battle" (as if it can be called battle with guns) will forever be made simpler than making a sandwich (yes, there's marksmanship to consider but that's hardly critical in the small scale of social crimes that are considered in this thread - walk up, pull a trigger, kill).