Thread: The key to understanding conscience?

Originally Posted by wer

I'm sure many of you have heard of the "psi" energy that people talk about. Through my experience I've came to believe that this energy is what carrys on conscience (so therefore it could be considered conscience its self) after someone dies. I've been able to physically feel this force and manipulate small objects with it. I've seen friends use this energy on physical matter to a much greater extent. There have been pictures, although not significant evidence has been shown that they are real, through my experience I would be very surprised if they were not. This energy would be considered collective memory by many. Its the energy that makes up the astral realms. I don't really think that the astral realms exist on the physical dimention, but the energy its made from must in somehow intertwine with our world. I believe this energy can, somehow, manipulate the physical world, because it is, somehow, connected to it.

Does anyone have ideas as to what this energy is, or where it comes from? To me its obvious that this energy is at least a major key to the understanding of everything, the Meaning of Life.

This energy, chi or psi or whatever you want to call it exists in all living things. It surrounds us, it's in the air we breathe and the water we drink. It makes up the astral world, which I agree is not made of physical matter. It courses through our bodies and mind. We can manipulate this energy to see auras and other people's energy. The mind is not our brain - it is this conciousness, this energy that inhabits the brain. When we die, our spirit (this energy) leaves the brain and our physical body. Where it goes after that I don't know. It probably inhabits the astral realm for a time before it can enter a new physical form. That is why people can remember past lives, because the energy, our mind and conciousness is the same every time. It just inhabits a different physical form.

Sort of off topic, but kind of intertwines with the whole spirit/energy thing... There is a chemical in our brain, released by the pineal gland called DMT. It's released into our brains at two key points, when we die and when we're a fetus. (Also while we sleep). Strangely enough, Buddhist reincarnation says that after we die, the spirit must wait a certain amount of time before inhabiting a new body. This span of time is the same as when DMT is released into our brains when we are in the fetal stage. (I can't remember how many days). So DMT is supposedly associated with the spirit, letting it exit and enter the body. You should check out the book, "DMT, The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman, if you haven't read it already. I think it would be up your alley.

As for your question, I have no idea where this energy comes from. Maybe it's always been. But then, why are there more and more people on the Earth every year? Perhaps this energy is created somehow, thus birthing new conciousness to inhabit new bodies.

I think to find the answer, we must expose ourselves to the Astral plane through projecting and lucid dreaming, (and also (though I know many would not agree with me) through the use of marijuana and psychedelic drugs such as DMT or Psilocybin.) Good luck in your journey, friend.

Great book I just found called The Sense of Being Stared At. The author (forgot his name, yes I have to quite smoking so much weed , agrees that the mind is seperate from the brain. He believes, as do I (at least at the moment), that consciousness is an energy, similer to other forces in the universe. You guys have touched the topics he mentions on this thread (he gets into the scientific theory of the mind, and how it connects with his theory). I'm glued to it, I suggest it to everyone.

Please, if you're going to use words like 'energy' in a discussion like this, please define them well.

Energy is not a force, so try not to mix the terms up, it only confuses things.

Energy isn't even real. It's just a mathematical concept based on the idea that no matter what actions you perform, a mathematical quantity called 'energy' will always be conserved. Energy isn't made of anything; there are no little 'bricks' of energy floating around; it's just a rule that everything in the universe follows, but nobody actually understands why.

So please, unless you could explain what is actually meant by 'conciousness energy', try to use real terms that we can all understand.

I'm reading a great book at the moment called 'conciousness' (good title, huh?).

There's some very interesting stuff in there, and what's great is that, using physical examples and logic nowadays, it might even be possible to make some progress in its understanding.

What I refer to above is 'science', by the way; the scientific method, by which we look at the world around us, and then try to work out why it is like that by manipulating it and investigating further.

Anybody who promotes guesswork and superstition is, I'm afraid, rather medieval in their thought processes.

After all; if you're investigating conciousness, I think it would be very foolish to place your faith in your 'gut instincts', considering that these can only arise from conciousness in the first place!

One particular experiment that the book is talking about at the point which I've read to, is that it's been shown that our 'conciousness' requires half a second of information from the brain to actually register said information; so essentially, our conciousness should be half a second behind the real world. What's strange is that it's clearly not; we can react with our surroundings much faster than that. So one theory is that somehow, the conciousness, upon recieving the sustained signal for half a second, sends that signal to a point in time half a second previously, so that there is no percieved delay.

It sounds shaky to me though; maybe the author's about to disprove it. I'll report back when I'm arsed to read some more.

Originally Posted by Xei

Please, if you're going to use words like 'energy' in a discussion like this, please define them well.

Energy is not a force, so try not to mix the terms up, it only confuses things.

Energy isn't even real. It's just a mathematical concept based on the idea that no matter what actions you perform, a mathematical quantity called 'energy' will always be conserved. Energy isn't made of anything; there are no little 'bricks' of energy floating around; it's just a rule that everything in the universe follows, but nobody actually understands why.

So please, unless you could explain what is actually meant by 'conciousness energy', try to use real terms that we can all understand.

I'm reading a great book at the moment called 'conciousness' (good title, huh?).

There's some very interesting stuff in there, and what's great is that, using physical examples and logic nowadays, it might even be possible to make some progress in its understanding.

What I refer to above is 'science', by the way; the scientific method, by which we look at the world around us, and then try to work out why it is like that by manipulating it and investigating further.

Anybody who promotes guesswork and superstition is, I'm afraid, rather medieval in their thought processes.

After all; if you're investigating conciousness, I think it would be very foolish to place your faith in your 'gut instincts', considering that these can only arise from conciousness in the first place!

One particular experiment that the book is talking about at the point which I've read to, is that it's been shown that our 'conciousness' requires half a second of information from the brain to actually register said information; so essentially, our conciousness should be half a second behind the real world. What's strange is that it's clearly not; we can react with our surroundings much faster than that. So one theory is that somehow, the conciousness, upon recieving the sustained signal for half a second, sends that signal to a point in time half a second previously, so that there is no percieved delay.

It sounds shaky to me though; maybe the author's about to disprove it. I'll report back when I'm arsed to read some more.

The "source" of consciousness has NO physical manifestation. What's manifested is the "workings" of it as a testimony to it's "non-manifested" source. Now YOU ARE the source of this. The SOURCE transcends time and space.

The Mind, YOU, are not contained inside the brain. The brain is merely a link to the source, YOU. Now you have touched on the link and scientist's have just been able to grasp this with their theory how there should be processing lag, but there isn't so the only way that there can't be is the consciousness sends the info back in time. This is only touching upon the link. Now the link itself that connects us with the brain so we can perceive this world also has no manifestation of it's source. There is only physical manifestation of it's "workings". The same is true for electricity. They don't fully understand it, or what it is as they can only see and detect the physical manifestation of it's workings. Example; you grab hold of a live wire and you get shocked. Now you know it's there, you just can't see it. What you can see is the effect is has upon matter by the workings of it's force.

I use the word energy lightly. I don't know if consciousness is an energy or a force or what, it may not even be classified.

No energy is not a "force" but a force is created by it's workings. It's the interaction between energy and a stimuli that create the force. Now "consciousness" is beyond both of these and all forces. Furthermore there is only ONE mind. Now when I say "mind" I am not referring to the fleshly gray matter contained in your vessels skull. I am referring to YOU. The thinking, self-aware being. Now all of humanity are fragments of this ONE mind. You can call this ONE mind "god" or whatever suits your fancy. When you can be both a fragment and still in the WHOLE then..........

Now can I prove this? Well not in the way you would want me to. We all see the workings of this truth though...

Originally Posted by Chaos Psyche

No energy is not a "force" but a force is created by it's workings. It's the interaction between energy and a stimuli that create the force. Now "consciousness" is beyond both of these and all forces. Furthermore there is only ONE mind. Now when I say "mind" I am not referring to the fleshly gray matter contained in your vessels skull. I am referring to YOU. The thinking, self-aware being. Now all of humanity are fragments of this ONE mind. You can call this ONE mind "god" or whatever suits your fancy. When you can be both a fragment and still in the WHOLE then..........

Now can I prove this? Well not in the way you would want me to. We all see the workings of this truth though...

Nicely said.

I believe energy is all existance on any plane, governed by the laws of the universe. Consiousness could just be another one of these energies. When it was born in the universe, it was the same as most energies until it was warped by whatever laws effect the consiousness. In my own opinion, there is no "understanding" it. You merely get to observe it and be warped by other laws of our universe just as another type of energy would be.

Maybe the conciousness has its own plane. We can reach every other plane through AP (which proves that we should be connected to it somehow), so maybe all types of energy are conneced, and consious energy functions in physical human body energy because we have the equipment (other physical types of energy) to operate it at an appropriate level. We need those curtain pfysical energies because the Universe has weaved itself this way. If it had been "woven" any other way, we could possibly be opperating on nothingness or some other energy.