Thread: Global Warming- WTF PEOPLE!!!

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

The polar ice caps will be gone in 10 years.
100 species of animals go extinct every day.
250,000 humans are born everyday.
120,000 humans die everyday.
the rate of increase that global warming has is accelerating
humans won't survive the next ice age. Case in point. We're doomed.

I'd like to see evidence to back that up. I've worked for an environmental activist company and truthfully none of the information that even they have points to these sorts of numbers.

The current environmental model points to anywhere between a 1.5 and 3 degree (centigrade) increase in the average global temperature by 2100. This would result in an 18 to 59 centimeter increase in water levels. The ice caps would melt significantly but would not be gone in over 100 years, let alone 10. Of course, this is all based on current trends and scientists lack sufficient data to really know if the current trends will stay accurate for that long. As far as the accuracy of current environmental models go right now, Global Warming is not much more than a pop culture scare tactic.

Yes human beings should work to minimalize our impact on the environment but by no means should we be reverting to caveman lifestyles because its a little hotter this year. The planet goes through century and millennium long cycles and based on the amount of time we have been around and the amount of time we have been keeping track, there really is no way of telling exactly what the planet is going to do.

Actually. Both sides are right.

What they are saying in the press/documentaries? Way over-sensational.
What they are actually doing to save the environment? Way to little.

Originally Posted by ethen

On the contrary, the fact is that the climate has changed according to the cycles of the sun, as even your article suggests. The mistake here is in assuming that an inverse correlation isnt an acutal correlation. Ironically that article admitted that there was indeed a strong inverse correlation, which damn near proves the sun is at play.

Are you kidding me? The studies show that the global temperature continued to rise when the output of the sun fell. This clearly shows that global warming is not solely a product of solar activity.

oh, and nevermind the fact that Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, Mars, Trinton, and our moon are also warming, I suppose that's all just a coincedence, right?

I was hoping you'd bring this up. Even if it were true, a warming trend on these 6 planets/moons do not prove that the sun is causing global warming. You're just selecting the very small proportion of large bodies in our solar system that align with your theory. Do we see a similar raise in every single large body in the solar system? Because that's what would be required if the sun were causing this warming.

Another, more important, thing these theories fail to take into account is the distances involved. Your linked article suggests a 1% raise in temperature on pluto is attributable to the sun. Simple maths tells us that we receive 1600 timesthe energy that pluto does, as it is 40x further away to the sun than us. Did the entire earth spontaneously combust recently? I can't remember.

Face it: the sun is not the cause of global warming. It is a contributing factor, no-one denies it, but to suggest that it is the sole cause, or even the largest, is in direct contradiction to the evidence. You can

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

All planets are cyclictic. Get over it. If the next IA kills us, then it does. You can't do anything about it. Period. SO why waste time arguing over it?

Well, if the global warming is something that we are directly causing, then we can do something about it. Thats the whole point.

Yes, but we didn't cause global warming. It happens.

I dont believe in global warming. I just dont believe the fact that Because were releasing a lot of Carbon Dioxide in the air means that something super bad is going to happen. Trust me, dont be lazy, instead of just listening to people saying global warming exists, do your own research and see for yourself whether you think it exists or not.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Yes, but we didn't cause global warming. It happens.

Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

Trust me, dont be lazy, instead of just listening to people saying global warming exists, do your own research and see for yourself whether you think it exists or not.

The conclusions of the overwhelming majority of experts are that global warming is occurring and that this warming is explained (with a 95% confidence) through external means.

But, by all means, do your own research. Here's the fourth assessment by the intergovernmental panel on climate change. A nice quote from the introduction in chapter 9

It is extremely unlikely (<5%) that the global pattern of warming during the past half century can be explained without external forcing, and very unlikely that it is due to known natural external causes alone. The warming occurred in both the ocean and the atmosphere and took place at a time when natural external forcing factors would likely have produced cooling.

A good section to read would be Chapter 9.2 - Can the Warming of the 20th Century be Explained by Natural Variability? Although I can almost already hear the conspiracy theories people will use to discount this source out of hand.

Originally Posted by ethen

See, this is what im talking about.

There are just as many sheeple on your side of the argument as there are on the other side, and probably more so seeing as its trendy nowadays to hate the government and/or media. You assume that we are a significant cause of global warming, otherwise you wouldn't infer that we could significantly change this climate shift by altering our life style.

Facts:

-CO2 is the principle concern of our emitions
-Only 5&#37; of the planets CO2 comes from us
-CO2 only makes up a fraction of the Earths total greenhouse gasses (which is what Global Warming is all about)
-When considering the what percentage of the total greenhouse gasses are CO2, and when considering what percentage of CO2 comes from us (5%), then we discover that we are actually only responcible for making .28% of the Earths total greenhouse gasses.

But it's just so easy to buy into the propaganda isnt it?

I am sorry, did you mistake me with someone who gives a rat's ass?

If you see how fucking full some rivers are with tons of plastic waste, how smog clouds cities non-stop, how temperature rising and polar ice-cap melting show fluctuation above normal ranges, if you see oil fucking up seas, if you see millions and millions of acres of the Amazon dissapearing, then yes, I would say mankind can influence it's environment.

You constantly act like you know shit, while you just repeat things both sides have said a long time ago. That, and I don't like your face. And that is without seeing it, imagen that.


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And what spoon said. Since scientists themselves are correct >95% of cases, there is no reason to act all MrSmarty pants with government-funded black propaganda that just prolongs you having to face the FACTS.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I am sorry, did you mistake me with someone who gives a rat's ass?

If you see how fucking full some rivers are with tons of plastic waste, how smog clouds cities non-stop, how temperature rising and polar ice-cap melting show fluctuation above normal ranges, if you see oil fucking up seas, if you see millions and millions of acres of the Amazon dissapearing, then yes, I would say mankind can influence it's environment.

You constantly act like you know shit, while you just repeat things both sides have said a long time ago. That, and I don't like your face. And that is without seeing it, imagen that.


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And what spoon said. Since scientists themselves are correct >95% of cases, there is no reason to act all MrSmarty pants with government-funded black propaganda that just prolongs you having to face the FACTS.

I'm all with you for cleaning up rivers, preventing oil spills, and cutting down on rainforest reduction. I am an outdoorsman. I love fishing, rafting, etc. At the very least, pollution needs to stop because I like clean environments.

Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

I dont believe in global warming. I just dont believe the fact that Because were releasing a lot of Carbon Dioxide in the air means that something super bad is going to happen. Trust me, dont be lazy, instead of just listening to people saying global warming exists, do your own research and see for yourself whether you think it exists or not.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I am sorry, did you mistake me with someone who gives a rat's ass?

If you see how fucking full some rivers are with tons of plastic waste, how smog clouds cities non-stop, how temperature rising and polar ice-cap melting show fluctuation above normal ranges, if you see oil fucking up seas, if you see millions and millions of acres of the Amazon dissapearing, then yes, I would say mankind can influence it's environment.

You constantly act like you know shit, while you just repeat things both sides have said a long time ago. That, and I don't like your face. And that is without seeing it, imagen that.


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And what spoon said. Since scientists themselves are correct >95% of cases, there is no reason to act all MrSmarty pants with government-funded black propaganda that just prolongs you having to face the FACTS.

HUMANS DID NOT START, AND CANNOT STOP GLOBAL WARMING, PEOPLE GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! WE CAN'T STOP IT! GW IS JUST A CYCLE THE EARTH GOES THROUGH! RIGHT NOW IT IS WARMING UP!!! SO STOP WHINING! THE HUMAN RACE CAN LAST FOR ANOTHER FEW THOUSAND YEARS.
/me listens to "hells bells" - AC/DC

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

HUMANS DID NOT START, AND CANNOT STOP GLOBAL WARMING, PEOPLE GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! WE CAN'T STOP IT! GW IS JUST A CYCLE THE EARTH GOES THROUGH! RIGHT NOW IT IS WARMING UP!!! SO STOP WHINING! THE HUMAN RACE CAN LAST FOR ANOTHER FEW THOUSAND YEARS.
/me listens to "hells bells" - AC/DC

ACTUALLY, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GOT AN EDUCATION IN CLIMATOLOY AND SHIT, SAY THAT THE HEATING OF THE PLANET HAS BEEN GOING FASTER THEN EXPECTED WITH NORMAL FLUXUATIONS.
yeah. But it just sounds nice to pretend like mankind has NO effect what-so-ever on the world's climate. Sure, what al gore says, may be exaggerated. It may be GREATLY exaggerated. But what YOU are saying is retarded. There just is to much evidence pointing in the direction of "We are slightly fucking up the world". Also, people that know shit about climates and stuff, something we ALL know FUCKING JACKSHIT about, have quite some different opinions.

Lets start looking at the bright side. We'll all get tans. And instead of swimming pools we could have a swimming Amsterdam!!!

I pity the debate that can't be proven either way.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I am sorry, did you mistake me with someone who gives a rat's ass?

If you see how fucking full some rivers are with tons of plastic waste, how smog clouds cities non-stop, how temperature rising and polar ice-cap melting show fluctuation above normal ranges, if you see oil fucking up seas, if you see millions and millions of acres of the Amazon dissapearing, then yes, I would say mankind can influence it's environment.

You constantly act like you know shit, while you just repeat things both sides have said a long time ago. That, and I don't like your face. And that is without seeing it, imagen that.


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And what spoon said. Since scientists themselves are correct >95% of cases, there is no reason to act all MrSmarty pants with government-funded black propaganda that just prolongs you having to face the FACTS.

Whoa, someone has a stick up their arse today

Originally Posted by ethen

Whoa, someone has a stick up their arse today

Is it a nice oak stick or a smooth big redwood stick today, ethen?

Meh, this thread is getting nowhere.

But I don't know if you guys abroad know, but Britain's damn cold for summer at the moment, and there's a lot of flooding.

What makes me laugh is how the media keep saying that this is obvious evidence of climate change. Strangely, nobody is saying that it's evidence of global warming, even though 'climate change' and 'global warming' are supposed to be completely synonymous, because then people might start seeing through the hype and bullshit of the papers.

Originally Posted by Xei

Meh, this thread is getting nowhere.

But I don't know if you guys abroad know, but Britain's damn cold for summer at the moment, and there's a lot of flooding.

What makes me laugh is how the media keep saying that this is obvious evidence of climate change. Strangely, nobody is saying that it's evidence of global warming, even though 'climate change' and 'global warming' are supposed to be completely synonymous, because then people might start seeing through the hype and bullshit of the papers.

Actually, it might also be the retards that think "Global warming" means warmer climate Everywhere. While actually, it really varies per region. Changing currents and shit do that. Actually, global warming/climate change would be good for American agriculture, more rain and shit. It would just suck for Africa and some other areas of the world people don't care about.

In my paper there was an article about how the increased rainfall extremely likely is caused by human activity on our planet (the original article was from Nature magazine).

But of course, those people are 'just buying into the lies'.

I think it's ludicrous. Just think; the weather's unusually cold. How is this explained? Oh, of course, industry creates CO2 which traps heat which melts icecaps which decreases salt concentration of seas which slows gulf stream which makes Britain colder.

Bad humans!

Yeah. That's not farfetched at all. Not. It's time the hippies went to hell. Saying that cold weather is evidence of global warming is just... ahrgh. I'm not trying to make people realise this any more, because slowing down oil consumption is a good thing... but the stupidity of it all does bug me.

Originally Posted by Xei

I think it's ludicrous. Just think; the weather's unusually cold. How is this explained? Oh, of course, industry creates CO2 which traps heat which melts icecaps which decreases salt concentration of seas which slows gulf stream which makes Britain colder.

Bad humans!

Yeah. That's not farfetched at all. Not. It's time the hippies went to hell. Saying that cold weather is evidence of global warming is just... ahrgh. I'm not trying to make people realise this any more, because slowing down oil consumption is a good thing... but the stupidity of it all does bug me.

Jebus. Are you really so silly? Do you know how cold Europe would be if it wasn't for some hot ocean stream? It's on the same longitude as greenland for feck sakes. I can believe it doesn't take much to slightly change such an ocean flow. I mean, you don't honestly think this is an argument agains global warming, do you? If you knew something at all about climates, then you would know that some regions getting colder is exactly what you expect if the overall temperature goes up. Unlike in star wars, a planet doesn't have the same climate and temperature all over it's surface.

No, I never said that. What I'm saying is that claiming a fall in temperature is evidence of global warming is a step too far.

Originally Posted by Xei

No, I never said that. What I'm saying is that claiming a fall in temperature is evidence of global warming is a step too far.

Localised climate readings aren't evidence for or against global warming, it's the averaged climate over the whole globe. (which does show evidence of global warming, if you were wondering)

Originally Posted by Neruo

Is it a nice oak stick or a smooth big redwood stick today, ethen?

Hey whoa, keep your pants on. Really, I’m flattered but I’m hardly qualified to make that diagnosis. No worries though, I’m sure you can find a proctologist that can answer that for you.




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Im gonna go over here now...

[quote=ethen;475980]Hey whoa, keep your pants on. Really, I’m flattered but I’m hardly qualified to make that diagnosis. No worries though, I’m sure you can find a proctologist that can answer that for you.

Ethen, we all know Tuesday is Your stick-in-the-ass-day.

Originally Posted by Xei

No, I never said that. What I'm saying is that claiming a fall in temperature is evidence of global warming is a step too far.

Is it? Why? It is impossible that our world's climate is exactly put together in a way that if global average temperature rises, area x gets colder?

Because then, if Britain were to cool down, it would be evidence of global warming, and if Britain were to heat up, it would be evidence of global warming.

Is that a logical opinion to maintain? -_-

Originally Posted by Xei

Because then, if Britain were to cool down, it would be evidence of global warming, and if Britain were to heat up, it would be evidence of global warming.

Is that a logical opinion to maintain? -_-

Who ever said "temperature in Britain will go up" with global warming? Most of the time, people said "The (average) temperature of the earth will go up". Maybe people that didn't know what they were talking about said that kind of stuff about Britain. Hmmmmm? Maybe there are just a huge amount of idiots, on both side of the argument, spewing un-factual crap, and rush into taking wrong assumptions about global warming? :0