Thread: Why do the laws od the Universe exist?

Originally Posted by Keeper

How can anything exist?

Well, it does.

Besides, this question is far beyond us.

Why do the laws of the universe exist?

Their was a time or I should say untime when the laws or pattarns of the universe didn't exist, it was called a singulairty. To anwser your question why do specific laws or pattarns of the universe exist? See the universe follows some beautiful pattarn, call it mathematical beauty. Theortical physician and mathematician working on the universe think their is a underline pattarn, this comes in various forms like supersymmerty(the universe has a symmertical pattarn) to M theory(the universe is made of higher dimensional objects) to twistor theory(the universe follows the pattarn of complex number) e.t.c.

Saying this the theory of everything is not yet complete, however mathematician and theortical physician are getting close. Their is a underline mathematical pattarn to the universe, so to anwser your questions, maths.

How can anything exist?

The best anwser is the concept called imaginary time i.e. time always exist however in a higher dimension(well, its similar to a higher dimension). So the anwser to your question is what is the square root of -1?
and apply the anwser to time.

Again science has pretty much covered to the two questions. And no it doesn't involve the words god did it.

Besides, this question is far beyond us.

I disagree, people are now trying to work out the theory of everything. To the average person maybe, but to people in pure mathematics or theortical physician it is not beyond them.

Originally Posted by Keeper

How can anything exist?

Why can't anything exist?

Originally Posted by wendylove

I disagree, people are now trying to work out the theory of everything. To the average person maybe, but to people in pure mathematics or theortical physician it is not beyond them.

Mathematicians are people too, I wouldn't expect any single person to understand everything. Albert Einstein spent the last 30 years of his life trying to do exactly that, while he let other amazing developments in science pass him by.

The problem is that it is a conundrum. From our understanding, there was nothing, then something, then a big-bang. The creation of matter has been "proven" impossible (law of conservation of matter), and any mathematical law we can create deals with matter. We have to reinvent our thinking to understand laws without matter.

Mathematicians are people too, I wouldn't expect any single person to understand everything. Albert Einstein spent the last 30 years of his life trying to do exactly that, while he let other amazing developments in science pass him by.

Is Einstein theory of general relativity impossible to understand, is quantum mechaincs hard to understand by people who study it in university. Is higher mathematics impossible to understand. Knowing the theory of everything would be like knowing general relativity, also knowing the theory of everything would not mean you understand everything. It just means you know why? like why do atom behavior strange or what was before the big bang?. You wouldn't understand trivial things like evolution or why something looks pretty. See you would know this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Everything

Albert Einstein is not a good idea. Firstly he rejected quantum mechanics and near his death two more forces where found called strong and weak. Put it this way things have moved on from Einstein. Again Einstein is a poor choice.

Also I dislike people using Einstein. Its like people think Einstein is some god. By todays standard Einstein would be stupid compared to Penrose and Hawkins, to the Perelmans and Feymans. So please don't use Einstein.

I don't think that's true. Einstein completely revolutionised our view of science with some huge leaps, completely out of the blue. None of the modern scientists have done that. Einstein deserves his place as a genius at the top of his game. However, the time was not right for Einstein to be working towards a theory of everything. Just because the time is right now and we have worked more about the universe out, it doesn't make the current scientists any cleverer.

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't think that's true. Einstein completely revolutionised our view of science with some huge leaps, completely out of the blue. None of the modern scientists have done that. Einstein deserves his place as a genius at the top of his game. However, the time was not right for Einstein to be working towards a theory of everything. Just because the time is right now and we have worked more about the universe out, it doesn't make the current scientists any cleverer.

What's freaky is that Einstein's way of thinking may have led us in the wrong direction.

We may come to a dead end and have to start over from 1940's knowledge.

Since the Universe does exist there has to be rules implicit within the system, otherwise there would be nothing. So the question isn't "Why do the laws exist?" The real question is "How could they NOT exist?"

hows this for an absolutely pointles but insightful answer....there are no laws in the universe.....because all laws can be broken and if a law can be broken then its not an absolute law its just a guideline...meaning there are many guidelines in the universe showing why some things exist but no laws meaning for those that exist there's a possibility that they dont.....and if there's a possibility that they dont exist then eventually on a larger scale, with enough time the possibility of everything existing will stop.....

i anyone has any idea about what im talking about then ill put it in simpler terms....on a long enough time-scale the survival rate for everyone drops to zero...FACT...if we apply that to the theory that there are no laws in the universe only guidelines then that must mean that some things dont exist...and also eventually on a long enough timescal everything will follow this pattern even the universe itself....meaning that on a long enough timescale.....nothing will exist?????????

hows that for mindboggling

If a law appears to be broken, then it just means we didn't understand the true complexity of the law in the first place. It's quite possible that we know no laws at all in their complete form, but that doesn't mean the laws don't exist. It just means our understandings are only close approximations of the laws.

So why are the laws as they are? No reason. Just the flavor of our particular universe.