So you're just posting to bitch about the bitching?Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
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So you're just posting to bitch about the bitching?Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
see its funny what a twat you are, all I was saying is calm down hatng on eachother and cosntructively discuss the topic at hand, you however have to be all funny about it. Plus i said that Solskye was at fault for being racist, against you may i add, but yeah okay Unviersal Mind i was actually biching and did it because i enjoy bitching at you.
Your not a very agreeable person are you?
I apolgise for ruining your hate session, feel free to send out negative vibes and hate people while discussing your hometown which is comepltely off topic.
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by wer
You can't build the box from the inside...
For example...Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
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Originally Posted by imran_p
Now please get this discussion back on topic by talking about the extent to which science involves faith and the difference between science and religion. You rejected my last two attempts with your hypocrisy. Let's talk about the topic. What do you say?
Discuss this point...
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Originally Posted by Universal Mind
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Originally Posted by wer
Well, multiple dimensions IS proven. The Multiverse, the Mathiverse, etc. So it does take any great leap of faith to propose that humans can tap into higher dimesnsions (With the definition of a dimension being the amount of measurements taken to find volume (height, lenght, etc.)) we are already 3.5D. We only see 2D, and we live in a 2003456-solarsystem (To make the numbers small). We are 3.5D becase we have three directions. Up & down forward & backward & side to side. We move along the FOURTH dimension, which we see as time. Since we cannot move backward in time, we oly experience 1/2 of that dimension. Thus taking you to 3.5 Now, really, the fourth dimension ISN'T time, it's just the only way we experience it. So an object in 4D will only experience 1/2 of the fifth dimension, as percieve it as time. The Fouth dimensional being will also be able to see in 3d, and deect and thing lower than 4d on it's own 4d plane.
So there is WITHOUT A DOUBT that ther is more to the Multiverse. And there is an infinite amout of illtangible parts.
So, 4d object & energies have 4 coordinates, because they have four axises to their space. This means that a 4d object could (By perception of the 3rd dimension "pass through" a 3d object. With this being said. Isn't it more logical to think of any higher deity as a mortal creature that inhabits a higher dimension rather than a spiritual immortal being? But that's just me. Oh, and with the part about the coordinates being said, he COULDN'T have made us, and i daresay, came here to be worshipped xD.
On the note of psionics, YES i DO believe in them. Why?
I have experienced them
I have read into them.
I have seen others preform them.
I did not reject your attempts at all, you blatnatly tried to turn this on me. You amazingly skilful at dodging things and turning them around, but everything I said in my last post still stands.
On topic, I leave a margin of possiblity for everything including god and yes pisi pehenomenenon, like you I am lead to bleeive it doesnt exist due to the fact that no1 has claimes this money.
However, we still cant know can we, time will tell.
Even though your point still stands regarding the kind of posts you were leaving, you did much better with that last one. Nice work. It looks like we agree on the paranormal.Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
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Originally Posted by Seismosaur
care to elabroate, im genuinnely interested.
How did you expeirence them?
Wow, I am so much convinced of psychic powers now. I mean, before, I was totally thinking in the box, wanting some FUCKING PROOF before I believed something. But now, outside of the box, I can just believe in psychic powers now, because a few people said it is totally true. It just happens to be no one has ever done it under controlled conditions, almost as if the people that had those powers tried to keep it Away from all the scientists, but who cares, I am so much thinking outside the box now, and it's just so true, I like, just like, totally know, like, you know? Just yesterday, I saw a group of people saying that they saw virgin mary walk over the water. Normally, I wouldn't have believed it, but now My mind is SO open now, I totally believed it, just because those people told me it was true. A mean open-minded person just sees truth when it feels good to believe it's true. Yeah, I am so glad I am cured of my logical thinking. What good ever came from that? Yeah.
I'll be off now, trying to levitate cups and trying to remote view at a 50% succes rate, and claim my lucky shots as power granted to me by allah.
Check out the links I posted. Its has been researched quite a bit. Just look at them, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I can't give you any proof over the internet, you realize that right? The only way I could give you some proof would be to come down there in person and demonstrate them right in front of you, under your own conditions. Unfortunantly thats to much trouble, so all I can really do is give you information, and I can't do that if you don't click on the links I post!
Stop being negative and prove to me that psionics DON'T exist.
Yeah. All old news. Especially the link where some remote-viewing dude said he seen a mountain on the (gas) planet of Jupiter. lol. Hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by wer
Also, a 10% better scoring in remote viewing can be easially achieved by simply doing 'it' a lot. Subconsciously, you will find out how to draw the most average, interperpatable shit that has the biggest chance to be agreed upon.
And most of your wiki pages just disprove yourself. Haha, one even mentioned how hard people like uri geller get owned when tested properly.
Anyhow, your main and only 'proof' of psychic powers seems to lie in remote viewing. And even then, a 10% better score maximum. And that is strange. Can you name a single field of human possibilities where there is so little deviation between skill? If there are so many people that can produce 10-15% 'results', why hasn't there ever been a person born that could do better? If psychic powers would be real, at least one of the 20+ billion people that lived on the earth would have showed some decent proof.
Remote-view my house, biatch :) Or can you levitate tea-cups too? :0Quote:
I can't give you any proof over the internet, you realize that right? The only way I could give you some proof would be to come down there in person and demonstrate them right in front of you, under your own conditions. Unfortunantly thats to much trouble, so all I can really do is give you information, and I can't do that if you don't click on the links I post!
Well, one knows he has lost the debate when he says "Prove that X DOESN'T exist!". I mean, come on, are you joking? It's like saying "prove unicorns DON'T Exist!". Well, can you disprove unicorns? Don't be so negative, unicorns do exist, I and not a single scientist in the world can show you, but I have some vague pictures and internet links, unicorns totally exist, you can't prove they don't. Oh man, prove Allah doesn't exist, or Zeus, or God, or Orcs, or the tooth fairy for that matter. L-O-L.Quote:
Stop being negative and prove to me that psionics DON'T exist.
But really, remote view my house, tiger. Something detailed please. Not just "Your house is.. square. Is it? OMG I am psychic!"
Remote Viewing and ESP are the only forms of psychic phenomena that have been studied quite a bit. I believe that will soon change. Also, there was a lot of sucess, enough to prove that ESP existed. Sure, there were mistakes as well but any who understands how remote viewing works understands that it is very easy to make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
Psionics and astral projection are simply a part of life. They don't dissagree with science at all (once again, you have to understand how they work).
Ever heard of the theory of non-locality?
Back on topic...Here's something I wrote a while ago for you all to digest...
There isn't a single, proper piece of documentation in the world that can truely prove that this 'reality' is indeed 'real'. It's more of a collective hunch than anything else. Sure, we have our five senses but even science admits to our sense's limitations, and being incapable of truely perceiving all the variables of the entire world around us. So, then what exactly is real? Our limited perception of the senses?... the infinite perceptions of the mind? ...results reached through rational thought? ...or counterintuitive irrational thought?
Just what exactly makes anyone an authority to deem what is or isn't real?
Is the truth of that statement real?Quote:
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Are you sure it's infinite? I thought it could only process five. Isn't that what you just said?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
UM: Practically speaking, yes. Universally speaking, no.
Mark75: If you think imagination is finite in terms of what it can create, you're selling yourself short.
Actually, given that I have a finite amount of time in which to create things, and an inherently limited processing speed, then the reality of the situation is that I can only imagine a finite amount of things before I die.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
How this relates to insane claims being valid, I have no idea.
Science is not about the truth, it is about constructing models which predict physical phenomena accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
If we are indeed 'actually' purple sheep on a candy-covered hillside, and our whole universe is just some dream, it really doesn't matter anyways. The 'ultimate truth' is irrelevant, the only thing which affects our existence is that which we can detect with our five senses and deduce using science. This is 'reality'.
What has your imagination created that wasn't an amalgamation of what your senses have percieved?Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Actually, seen purely logically, isn't imagination limited? Lets say we have 100.000.000.000.000.000 braincells, let say we use them all for imagination. Let say every configuration possible with those braincells is a different 'imagination'. There would only be 100.000.000.000.000.000^2 possibilities, right? Not even close to infinite. There are far more atoms in my fingernail than that.
If you say imagination isn't as complicated like that, I wonder where you base that claim upon. Actually, far less braincells are used for imagination. Even if you calculate in the variable of time, and brain-change, you will still just get a really really really really really high number, not infinite.
I don't think imagination is measured in brain cell capacity; its a bit of an intangible thing, like dreams. The dreamscape's space is not limited to the area in which your brain enters REM sleep. The actual experiences in dreams are entirely irrelevant to the chemical process which allows them, as well as irrelevant to size.
I have nothing to really contribute, except for a nitpick. In a binary system, the total number of states is 2^n, where n is the number of bits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
8 bits has 256 different states, not 64
32 has 4,294,967,296, not 1024
2 ^ 100,000,000,000,000,000 would make my calculator explode :)
Not to mention the fact that braincells are not binary and have more than just two states.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoon
I don't believe that to be true and I can't see how you can make such a claim without accurate knowledge of how it actually works. Its more than likely that the size of a dream is limited by the brain size in the same way that a computer can only render a certain size 3 dimensional scene based on its memory capacity. As has been said, the capacity of the brain is so immensely large that it would seem capable of infinite when it is still impossible to actually quantify its capabilities. That doesn't mean it actually has infinite capacity, which would be ridiculous for any closed system and there is nothing that suggests that the brain is not a closed system.Quote:
Originally Posted by PharoahSunrise
I don't know, but I can't say I don't know too many of these people. But what kind of science doesn't come from an initial unproven cracked-out theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
All the psionics talk... why do you give a shit? Because it's retarded? Welcome to reality.
Nice analogy. But the brain has amazing 'file compressing' capabilities. If a person was to live 1000 years with a perfectly healthy brain, even though much of their lives they wouldn't be able to remember - it would all be stored away, resurfacing unconsciously. I don't really believe there is a limit on how much information the brain can hold - more like a limit to how much the brain can store and have readily available. The rest gets compressed and stored deep in the subconscious.Quote:
Its more than likely that the size of a dream is limited by the brain size in the same way that a computer can only render a certain size 3 dimensional scene based on its memory capacity.
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
- Albert Einstein
I love that quote - it shows who the real "important" people are to the human race. Arrogance works both ways.