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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      I don't know, but I can't say I don't know too many of these people. But what kind of science doesn't come from an initial unproven cracked-out theory?
      Typically the kind that proves correct.

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      science hasnt proved anything on this, either have the psychos that believe in this. let everyone think what they want.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LdMichael View Post
      science hasnt proved anything on this, either have the psychos that believe in this. let everyone think what they want.
      It's not like I can stop them from thinking it, since they seem to be immune to reason (or, at least incapable of reading). Other treatment over a medium such as the internet, such as a lobotomy, is difficult to perform.
      Last edited by ♥Mark; 08-28-2007 at 04:23 AM. Reason: Illiteracy remarks

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Typically the kind that proves correct.
      I suggest you re-evaluate the scientific method.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      I suggest you re-evaluate the scientific method.
      Specifically, which aspects require evaluation?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Specifically, which aspects require evaluation?
      Hypothesis - and where exactly one comes from.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      Hypothesis - and where exactly one comes from.
      You would have me reevaluate it by smoking more crack?

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      Typical 'I just lost this debate response' - but if you wish to do so, no one's stopping you. Maybe crack will wake you up.

      I think I've made my point here, continue on though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      Typical 'I just lost this debate response' - but if you wish to do so, no one's stopping you. Maybe crack will wake you up.

      I think I've made my point here, continue on though.
      Actually, the typical "I just lost this debate response" usually involves the responder not answering the question and exiting the debate, often leaving a smug implication of superiority over the opponent and/or an insult towards them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      Hypothesis - and where exactly one comes from.
      A hypothesis is not a 'cracked out theory', nor is it baseless. It is an educated guess based on reasoning and previous experiences.

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      Quote Originally Posted by thegnome54 View Post
      A hypothesis is not a 'cracked out theory', nor is it baseless. It is an educated guess based on reasoning and previous experiences.
      Coming to wear your keyboard out, too? Cool.

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      now lets all just go smoke some crack. then we will have something else to worry about. COPS!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Coming to wear your keyboard out, too? Cool.
      A fair price for the exchange of knowledge, no matter how slow.

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      Quote Originally Posted by thegnome54 View Post
      A fair price for the exchange of knowledge, no matter how slow.
      An admirable attitude. I must confess I've given up.

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      Quote Originally Posted by thegnome54 View Post
      A hypothesis is not a 'cracked out theory', nor is it baseless. It is an educated guess based on reasoning and previous experiences.
      That's pretty much exactly what I believe. If someone thinks a house is haunted for example, they may imply that it is haunted, when all they really hold is a hypothesis. They may use reason like unaccounted for noises, random changes in temperature, their own sense of bad aura, and etc. But the problem is we aren't scientists. We don't have the money and tools right in front of us to experiment and collect solid observational data regarding our hypothesis. All we can base our truths on is personal experience - and why someone like the original poster wants to call other people retarded for this is beyond me. Some people 'think they know for sure' that something supernatural exists, when they really simply have a strong favor toward a hypothesis that suggests the existence of something.

      Actually, the typical "I just lost this debate response" usually involves the responder not answering the question and exiting the debate, often leaving a smug implication of superiority over the opponent and/or an insult towards them.
      I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. And I will exit the debate. If you can't come up with serious responses, you are simply stalling, and wasting time. Human beings naturally don't admit to defeat, they resort to excuses, or in your case, stalling with a pointless response - take a moment to really think - "and realize what a tool you are".
      Last edited by blade5x; 08-28-2007 at 05:51 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. And I will exit the debate. If you can't come up with serious responses, you are simply stalling, and wasting time. Human beings naturally don't admit to defeat, they resort to excuses, or in your case, stalling with a pointless response - take a moment to really think - "and realize what a tool you are".
      But I don't understand what's wrong with my hypothesis formation process. You seemed to indicate the lack of crack was a factor. Evidently this is not the case. What did you mean?

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      The words literally mean what they say.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      The words literally mean what they say.
      These words?
      "Hypothesis - and where exactly one comes from."

      Because I know that one comes from a brain. I was always under the impression that a hypothesis was formed with a little more care than a cracked-out "theory".

      For example, if I hear a sound in my house from a room that has no people in it, it would be unreasonable to immediately form a ghost-based hypothesis when clearly a cat-based one makes more sense. When held against the evidence, the cat-based hypothesis wins almost every time. The number 2 winner has been the furnace. Never have I conclusively encountered a noise which could not be attributed to the two. Furthermore, I have never encountered a noise or event which suggests that spirits of any kind had anything to do with. It wouldn't be a proper hypothesis if I had initially stated that was a ghost, given that 100% of explained noises were attributed to such causes as cats and furnaces, while 0% of the unconfirmed noises suggested ghosts. 0% of the unconfirmed noises could not be attributed to furnaces and cats. It follows logically that my hypothesis for the next similar noise would be due to cats or furnaces.

      Please explain to me where I've gone wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      These words?
      "Hypothesis - and where exactly one comes from."

      Because I know that one comes from a brain. I was always under the impression that a hypothesis was formed with a little more care than a cracked-out "theory".

      For example, if I hear a sound in my house from a room that has no people in it, it would be unreasonable to immediately form a ghost-based hypothesis when clearly a cat-based one makes more sense. When held against the evidence, the cat-based hypothesis wins almost every time. The number 2 winner has been the furnace. Never have I conclusively encountered a noise which could not be attributed to the two. Furthermore, I have never encountered a noise or event which suggests that spirits of any kind had anything to do with. It wouldn't be a proper hypothesis if I had initially stated that was a ghost, given that 100% of explained noises were attributed to such causes as cats and furnaces, while 0% of the unconfirmed noises suggested ghosts. 0% of the unconfirmed noises could not be attributed to furnaces and cats. It follows logically that my hypothesis for the next similar noise would be due to cats or furnaces.

      Please explain to me where I've gone wrong.
      Personally, I reserve judgment on the existence of ghosts, as I have never experienced one myself; but are you suggesting that you have, in fact, had the same experiences as everyone on the planet? Have you ever attributed a noise to a break-in? I haven't, because I've never experienced anyone breaking in to my house. Some people have and would form different hypotheses than myself. Do burglars exist? From my experience; no, they don't.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Personally, I reserve judgment on the existence of ghosts, as I have never experienced one myself; but are you suggesting that you have, in fact, had the same experiences as everyone on the planet? Have you ever attributed a noise to a break-in? I haven't, because I've never experienced anyone breaking in to my house. Some people have and would form different hypotheses than myself. Do burglars exist? From my experience; no, they don't.
      You're a moron if you honestly think it works like that. There's a pretty simple and very well supported theory on burglars. For ghosts there is no such thing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      You're a moron if you honestly think it works like that. There's a pretty simple and very well supported theory on burglars. For ghosts there is no such thing.
      Actually the circumstantial evidence for ghosts far surpasses any amount of evidence for burglars; as it spans several thousands of years, All 6 inhabited continents, countless of different cultures many of which having no known ties to each other... In reality, the shear amount of independent evidence for ghostly phenomena makes it a much more plausible hypothesis than the burglar theory.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      In reality, the shear amount of independent evidence for ghostly phenomena makes it a much more plausible hypothesis than the burglar theory.
      I've seen over 50 videos of burglars in my short life, and no videos of ghosts. There are also thousands of people who have had them in their homes, and they litter our prisons.

      There is no evidence for ghosts which isn't just word of mouth.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Please explain to me where I've gone wrong.
      Absolutely nothing - but understand that other people go through different thought processes. I would also think it was a burglar. You act like as if people who like theorize about the unknown never ever follow basic logic and reason. Some other person may believe the same thing, but lets say burglar visits every single night, and is really stealthy, except for that one loud noise he constantly makes. That person - if they never find any evidence of the burglar, may begin to believe he/she is being haunted.

      There is no evidence for ghosts which isn't just word of mouth.
      Well, even if you did somehow manage catch an orb on video, most people would just believe it was edited anyway. This goes this anything paranormal caught on video - just edited. So really, the only way to prove existence to yourself would be through personal experience. This pretty goes with anything supernatural. And I've come to understand that, which is why I don't call people crazy, morons, retards, and etc. for having beliefs different than of me.

      I will admit that some people have some pretty wack beliefs, but unless they were brainwashed by someone, I can't say or so anything that would go against their own previous personal experience. And the 13-14 year olds will eventually come around to their senses on this forum. It's called growing up, and you can't rush that.

      13: I was Catholic and just said I was, but I didn't really didn't know why. I believed blindly. (brainwashed?)
      13-16: I didn't care, I just said whatever just because of my parents. (typical teen life)
      17: Started to question everything I had been told about God, religion, etc. (beginning of wanting to become independent)
      18: Got big on philosophy, and enjoyed theorizing about the unknown.
      19: Became a Deist, with a lot of theories on just random things, but never a solid answer.
      20: Stopped caring again, because right now all I really care is about this life. True it's possible this is all there is.

      Mark - maybe now you'll realize why spirituality is referred to as a personal journey?

      Edit: Maybe I'm going off topic now, so just let me know - so I can stop repeating myself
      Last edited by blade5x; 08-28-2007 at 03:34 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      And the 13-14 year olds will eventually come around to their senses on this forum. It's called growing up, and you can't rush that.
      I'm fifteen, and I believe you can, provided a rich enough mental environment and enough stimulation.

      And about ghosts - it's not that we want evidence that the orbs themselves exist - that IS a matter of experience, you're right. It's the reasoning that goes on after a person sees the orb. That is, thinking "hey, that spherical thing must be a non-physical component of a deceased human being returned from another plane of existence to float about in circles!"

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      Quote Originally Posted by thegnome54 View Post
      I'm fifteen, and I believe you can, provided a rich enough mental environment and enough stimulation.

      And about ghosts - it's not that we want evidence that the orbs themselves exist - that IS a matter of experience, you're right. It's the reasoning that goes on after a person sees the orb. That is, thinking "hey, that spherical thing must be a non-physical component of a deceased human being returned from another plane of existence to float about in circles!"
      Well, I agree you can, but I would say the original intent of this thread was far from providing a rich mental environment.

      I do kind of find it funny how you mention the reasoning that goes on after an event happened. I agree that making assumptions like that isn't a valid statement to present to other people. It is stupid to jump to conclusions like that without considering all other possibilities, but I guess some people either find a thrill in believing it was a supernatural event, want attention, or just find peace in their mind when they present a reason to themselves when scientific explanation is lacking.

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