Thread: Science vs. Your Cracked-out "Theory"

see its funny what a twat you are, all I was saying is calm down hatng on eachother and cosntructively discuss the topic at hand, you however have to be all funny about it. Plus i said that Solskye was at fault for being racist, against you may i add, but yeah okay Unviersal Mind i was actually biching and did it because i enjoy bitching at you.

Your not a very agreeable person are you?
I apolgise for ruining your hate session, feel free to send out negative vibes and hate people while discussing your hometown which is comepltely off topic.

Originally Posted by wer

*sighs*

You are blinded by society and blinded by you own ability not to be able see past what has been programmed into your brain as "logical" and "acceptable".

You are blinded because you can't think outside the box. Think about it, the only way we've gotten where we are now is when some brilliant thinker thought outside the box and spread ideas that were generally thought of as crazy at the time. The theories I speak of don't go against science in any way, no, not at all. You are the one who is blindfolded my friend.

Science is evolving, catch up.

Very true.

You can't build the box from the inside...

Originally Posted by imran_p

see its funny what a twat you are, all I was saying is calm down hatng on eachother and cosntructively discuss the topic at hand, you however have to be all funny about it. Plus i said that Solskye was at fault for being racist, against you may i add, but yeah okay Unviersal Mind i was actually biching and did it because i enjoy bitching at you.

Your not a very agreeable person are you?
I apolgise for ruining your hate session, feel free to send out negative vibes and hate people while discussing your hometown which is comepltely off topic.

For example...

Originally Posted by imran_p

see its funny what a twat you are, all I was saying is calm down hatng on eachother and cosntructively discuss the topic at hand, you however have to be all funny about it. Plus i said that Solskye was at fault for being racist, against you may i add, but yeah okay Unviersal Mind i was actually biching and did it because i enjoy bitching at you.

Your not a very agreeable person are you?
I apolgise for ruining your hate session, feel free to send out negative vibes and hate people while discussing your hometown which is comepltely off topic.

Now please get this discussion back on topic by talking about the extent to which science involves faith and the difference between science and religion. You rejected my last two attempts with your hypocrisy. Let's talk about the topic. What do you say?

Discuss this point...

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Science is the art of reducing leaps of faith as much as possible. It is a system that involves testing and supporting theories. Nothing is ever fully proven. Theories are only supported, and the strength of each is a matter of probability. Religion does not involve that. Religion is not about faith leap reduction. It is just about faith leaping.

Originally Posted by wer

Wow. Your an idiot.

Don't you people fucking see past whats what in front of you? Haven't you considered the possibility that our consciousness isn't just simply a flurry of random brain activity? JESUS CHRIST YOU FOOLS - its already officially accepted in the scientific community that phenomena such as ESP exist! Of course they don't know how it works, but thats beyond the point! There is simply to much evidence supporting this type of phenomena... I mean the most brilliant thinkers of all time believed that consciousness wasn't just part of the brain. Even Einstein had his theory of non-locality...

Haven't you read about Project Star Gate? Haven't you read the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of reports from people who have experienced psychic phenomena? Do you ACTUALLY think that they are all lying? And don't you ask yourself the question: if I'm just random flurry of brain activity, then why the fuck do I have free will?

You can call me nuts, crazy, insane, mad or lost, but it doesn't even touch me. Imagine how I feel - here I am, 100% possitive that psionics and extra-consciousness exist, and here you are, completely clueless and completely close minded, unable to accept anything that isn't completely obvious, throwing all these rude and stupid remarks that only add on to how ignorant I think you are. DO YOU THINK I'VE NEVER BEEN A SKEPTIC?!? Don't give me that bullshit, I wanted psionics to exist before I knew they were real, but I also kept strict skeptism to the whole ordeal, until, of course, I finally found some proof (not to mention with several witnesses).

What concerns me is that you seem like you don't even WANT there to be more to life then whats right in front of your face. Guess what, answers are not going to come to you without any effort. You have to want to find it.

Well, multiple dimensions IS proven. The Multiverse, the Mathiverse, etc. So it does take any great leap of faith to propose that humans can tap into higher dimesnsions (With the definition of a dimension being the amount of measurements taken to find volume (height, lenght, etc.)) we are already 3.5D. We only see 2D, and we live in a 2003456-solarsystem (To make the numbers small). We are 3.5D becase we have three directions. Up & down forward & backward & side to side. We move along the FOURTH dimension, which we see as time. Since we cannot move backward in time, we oly experience 1/2 of that dimension. Thus taking you to 3.5 Now, really, the fourth dimension ISN'T time, it's just the only way we experience it. So an object in 4D will only experience 1/2 of the fifth dimension, as percieve it as time. The Fouth dimensional being will also be able to see in 3d, and deect and thing lower than 4d on it's own 4d plane.

So there is WITHOUT A DOUBT that ther is more to the Multiverse. And there is an infinite amout of illtangible parts.

So, 4d object & energies have 4 coordinates, because they have four axises to their space. This means that a 4d object could (By perception of the 3rd dimension "pass through" a 3d object. With this being said. Isn't it more logical to think of any higher deity as a mortal creature that inhabits a higher dimension rather than a spiritual immortal being? But that's just me. Oh, and with the part about the coordinates being said, he COULDN'T have made us, and i daresay, came here to be worshipped xD.


On the note of psionics, YES i DO believe in them. Why?

I have experienced them

I have read into them.

I have seen others preform them.

I did not reject your attempts at all, you blatnatly tried to turn this on me. You amazingly skilful at dodging things and turning them around, but everything I said in my last post still stands.
On topic, I leave a margin of possiblity for everything including god and yes pisi pehenomenenon, like you I am lead to bleeive it doesnt exist due to the fact that no1 has claimes this money.

However, we still cant know can we, time will tell.

Originally Posted by imran_p

I did not reject your attempts at all, you blatnatly tried to turn this on me. You amazingly skilful at dodging things and turning them around, but everything I said in my last post still stands.
On topic, I leave a margin of possiblity for everything including god and yes pisi pehenomenenon, like you I am lead to bleeive it doesnt exist due to the fact that no1 has claimes this money.

However, we still cant know can we, time will tell.

Even though your point still stands regarding the kind of posts you were leaving, you did much better with that last one. Nice work. It looks like we agree on the paranormal.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

On the note of psionics, YES i DO believe in them. Why?

I have experienced them

I have read into them.

I have seen others preform them.

care to elabroate, im genuinnely interested.
How did you expeirence them?

Wow, I am so much convinced of psychic powers now. I mean, before, I was totally thinking in the box, wanting some FUCKING PROOF before I believed something. But now, outside of the box, I can just believe in psychic powers now, because a few people said it is totally true. It just happens to be no one has ever done it under controlled conditions, almost as if the people that had those powers tried to keep it Away from all the scientists, but who cares, I am so much thinking outside the box now, and it's just so true, I like, just like, totally know, like, you know? Just yesterday, I saw a group of people saying that they saw virgin mary walk over the water. Normally, I wouldn't have believed it, but now My mind is SO open now, I totally believed it, just because those people told me it was true. A mean open-minded person just sees truth when it feels good to believe it's true. Yeah, I am so glad I am cured of my logical thinking. What good ever came from that? Yeah.

I'll be off now, trying to levitate cups and trying to remote view at a 50% succes rate, and claim my lucky shots as power granted to me by allah.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Wow, I am so much convinced of psychic powers now. I mean, before, I was totally thinking in the box, wanting some FUCKING PROOF before I believed something. But now, outside of the box, I can just believe in psychic powers now, because a few people said it is totally true. It just happens to be no one has ever done it under controlled conditions, almost as if the people that had those powers tried to keep it Away from all the scientists, but who cares, I am so much thinking outside the box now, and it's just so true, I like, just like, totally know, like, you know? Just yesterday, I saw a group of people saying that they saw virgin mary walk over the water. Normally, I wouldn't have believed it, but now My mind is SO open now, I totally believed it, just because those people told me it was true. A mean open-minded person just sees truth when it feels good to believe it's true. Yeah, I am so glad I am cured of my logical thinking. What good ever came from that? Yeah.

I'll be off now, trying to levitate cups and trying to remote view at a 50% succes rate, and claim my lucky shots as power granted to me by allah.

Check out the links I posted. Its has been researched quite a bit. Just look at them, please.

I can't give you any proof over the internet, you realize that right? The only way I could give you some proof would be to come down there in person and demonstrate them right in front of you, under your own conditions. Unfortunantly thats to much trouble, so all I can really do is give you information, and I can't do that if you don't click on the links I post!

Stop being negative and prove to me that psionics DON'T exist.

Originally Posted by wer

Check out the links I posted. Its has been researched quite a bit. Just look at them, please.

Yeah. All old news. Especially the link where some remote-viewing dude said he seen a mountain on the (gas) planet of Jupiter. lol. Hilarious.

Also, a 10% better scoring in remote viewing can be easially achieved by simply doing 'it' a lot. Subconsciously, you will find out how to draw the most average, interperpatable shit that has the biggest chance to be agreed upon.

And most of your wiki pages just disprove yourself. Haha, one even mentioned how hard people like uri geller get owned when tested properly.

Anyhow, your main and only 'proof' of psychic powers seems to lie in remote viewing. And even then, a 10% better score maximum. And that is strange. Can you name a single field of human possibilities where there is so little deviation between skill? If there are so many people that can produce 10-15% 'results', why hasn't there ever been a person born that could do better? If psychic powers would be real, at least one of the 20+ billion people that lived on the earth would have showed some decent proof.

I can't give you any proof over the internet, you realize that right? The only way I could give you some proof would be to come down there in person and demonstrate them right in front of you, under your own conditions. Unfortunantly thats to much trouble, so all I can really do is give you information, and I can't do that if you don't click on the links I post!

Remote-view my house, biatch Or can you levitate tea-cups too? :0

Stop being negative and prove to me that psionics DON'T exist.

Well, one knows he has lost the debate when he says "Prove that X DOESN'T exist!". I mean, come on, are you joking? It's like saying "prove unicorns DON'T Exist!". Well, can you disprove unicorns? Don't be so negative, unicorns do exist, I and not a single scientist in the world can show you, but I have some vague pictures and internet links, unicorns totally exist, you can't prove they don't. Oh man, prove Allah doesn't exist, or Zeus, or God, or Orcs, or the tooth fairy for that matter. L-O-L.

But really, remote view my house, tiger. Something detailed please. Not just "Your house is.. square. Is it? OMG I am psychic!"

Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeah. All old news. Especially the link where some remote-viewing dude said he seen a mountain on the (gas) planet of Jupiter. lol. Hilarious.

Also, a 10% better scoring in remote viewing can be easily achieved by simply doing 'it' a lot. Subconsciously, you will find out how to draw the most average, interpretable shit that has the biggest chance to be agreed upon.

And most of your wiki pages just disprove yourself. Haha, one even mentioned how hard people like uri geller get owned when tested properly.

Anyhow, your main and only 'proof' of psychic powers seems to lie in remote viewing. And even then, a 10% better score maximum. And that is strange. Can you name a single field of human possibilities where there is so little deviation between skill? If there are so many people that can produce 10-15% 'results', why hasn't there ever been a person born that could do better? If psychic powers would be real, at least one of the 20+ billion people that lived on the earth would have showed some decent proof.



Remote-view my house, biatch Or can you levitate tea-cups too? :0



Well, one knows he has lost the debate when he says "Prove that X DOESN'T exist!". I mean, come on, are you joking? It's like saying "prove unicorns DON'T Exist!". Well, can you disprove unicorns? Don't be so negative, unicorns do exist, I and not a single scientist in the world can show you, but I have some vague pictures and internet links, unicorns totally exist, you can't prove they don't. Oh man, prove Allah doesn't exist, or Zeus, or God, or Orcs, or the tooth fairy for that matter. L-O-L.

But really, remote view my house, tiger. Something detailed please. Not just "Your house is.. square. Is it? OMG I am psychic!"

Remote Viewing and ESP are the only forms of psychic phenomena that have been studied quite a bit. I believe that will soon change. Also, there was a lot of sucess, enough to prove that ESP existed. Sure, there were mistakes as well but any who understands how remote viewing works understands that it is very easy to make mistakes.

Psionics and astral projection are simply a part of life. They don't dissagree with science at all (once again, you have to understand how they work).

Ever heard of the theory of non-locality?

Back on topic...Here's something I wrote a while ago for you all to digest...

There isn't a single, proper piece of documentation in the world that can truely prove that this 'reality' is indeed 'real'. It's more of a collective hunch than anything else. Sure, we have our five senses but even science admits to our sense's limitations, and being incapable of truely perceiving all the variables of the entire world around us. So, then what exactly is real? Our limited perception of the senses?... the infinite perceptions of the mind? ...results reached through rational thought? ...or counterintuitive irrational thought?

Just what exactly makes anyone an authority to deem what is or isn't real?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

There isn't a single, proper piece of documentation in the world that can truely prove that this 'reality' is indeed 'real'.

Is the truth of that statement real?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

the infinite perceptions of the mind? ...results reached through rational thought?

Are you sure it's infinite? I thought it could only process five. Isn't that what you just said?

UM: Practically speaking, yes. Universally speaking, no.

Mark75: If you think imagination is finite in terms of what it can create, you're selling yourself short.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Mark75: If you think imagination is finite in terms of what it can create, you're selling yourself short.

Actually, given that I have a finite amount of time in which to create things, and an inherently limited processing speed, then the reality of the situation is that I can only imagine a finite amount of things before I die.

How this relates to insane claims being valid, I have no idea.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Sure, we have our five senses but even science admits to our sense's limitations, and being incapable of truely perceiving all the variables of the entire world around us. So, then what exactly is real?

Science is not about the truth, it is about constructing models which predict physical phenomena accurately.

If we are indeed 'actually' purple sheep on a candy-covered hillside, and our whole universe is just some dream, it really doesn't matter anyways. The 'ultimate truth' is irrelevant, the only thing which affects our existence is that which we can detect with our five senses and deduce using science. This is 'reality'.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

UM: Practically speaking, yes. Universally speaking, no.

Mark75: If you think imagination is finite in terms of what it can create, you're selling yourself short.

What has your imagination created that wasn't an amalgamation of what your senses have percieved?

Actually, seen purely logically, isn't imagination limited? Lets say we have 100.000.000.000.000.000 braincells, let say we use them all for imagination. Let say every configuration possible with those braincells is a different 'imagination'. There would only be 100.000.000.000.000.000^2 possibilities, right? Not even close to infinite. There are far more atoms in my fingernail than that.

If you say imagination isn't as complicated like that, I wonder where you base that claim upon. Actually, far less braincells are used for imagination. Even if you calculate in the variable of time, and brain-change, you will still just get a really really really really really high number, not infinite.

I don't think imagination is measured in brain cell capacity; its a bit of an intangible thing, like dreams. The dreamscape's space is not limited to the area in which your brain enters REM sleep. The actual experiences in dreams are entirely irrelevant to the chemical process which allows them, as well as irrelevant to size.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Actually, seen purely logically, isn't imagination limited? Lets say we have 100.000.000.000.000.000 braincells, let say we use them all for imagination. Let say every configuration possible with those braincells is a different 'imagination'. There would only be 100.000.000.000.000.000^2 possibilities, right? Not even close to infinite. There are far more atoms in my fingernail than that.

I have nothing to really contribute, except for a nitpick. In a binary system, the total number of states is 2^n, where n is the number of bits.

8 bits has 256 different states, not 64
32 has 4,294,967,296, not 1024

2 ^ 100,000,000,000,000,000 would make my calculator explode

Originally Posted by spoon

I have nothing to really contribute, except for a nitpick. In a binary system, the total number of states is 2^n, where n is the number of bits.

8 bits has 256 different states, not 64
32 has 4,294,967,296, not 1024

2 ^ 100,000,000,000,000,000 would make my calculator explode

Not to mention the fact that braincells are not binary and have more than just two states.

Originally Posted by PharoahSunrise

I don't think imagination is measured in brain cell capacity; its a bit of an intangible thing, like dreams. The dreamscape's space is not limited to the area in which your brain enters REM sleep. The actual experiences in dreams are entirely irrelevant to the chemical process which allows them, as well as irrelevant to size.

I don't believe that to be true and I can't see how you can make such a claim without accurate knowledge of how it actually works. Its more than likely that the size of a dream is limited by the brain size in the same way that a computer can only render a certain size 3 dimensional scene based on its memory capacity. As has been said, the capacity of the brain is so immensely large that it would seem capable of infinite when it is still impossible to actually quantify its capabilities. That doesn't mean it actually has infinite capacity, which would be ridiculous for any closed system and there is nothing that suggests that the brain is not a closed system.

Originally Posted by Mark75

What kind of moron is opposed to "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"?

I don't know, but I can't say I don't know too many of these people. But what kind of science doesn't come from an initial unproven cracked-out theory?

All the psionics talk... why do you give a shit? Because it's retarded? Welcome to reality.

Its more than likely that the size of a dream is limited by the brain size in the same way that a computer can only render a certain size 3 dimensional scene based on its memory capacity.

Nice analogy. But the brain has amazing 'file compressing' capabilities. If a person was to live 1000 years with a perfectly healthy brain, even though much of their lives they wouldn't be able to remember - it would all be stored away, resurfacing unconsciously. I don't really believe there is a limit on how much information the brain can hold - more like a limit to how much the brain can store and have readily available. The rest gets compressed and stored deep in the subconscious.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

- Albert Einstein

I love that quote - it shows who the real "important" people are to the human race. Arrogance works both ways.