ya so what if this is all just a drem that where all in and we havent realized it yet and its just a really deep sleep and we dont know it? and it so hard to break out maybe like a coma?
i'll let you decide!
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ya so what if this is all just a drem that where all in and we havent realized it yet and its just a really deep sleep and we dont know it? and it so hard to break out maybe like a coma?
i'll let you decide!
I find that really hard to believe. Very hard.
BTW: In my opinion this is on the wrong board. It probably should be in Philosophy or something.
i just tought it would fit in cuz its about dreaming!
Actually, this is a section for Lucid Experiences, where people come and share their...well..Lucid dreams. We're talking about something that could controversial like...is there a god or something like that
On-Topic:What made you think that this is possibly a dream where we are all in it together? Like we're all a part of one conscious?
Sorry If I sound rude or too technical. If the mods see that it is in the right section or just don't mind, then it is quite alright.
Heh mike whenever I see your avatar I always think you are howetzer. Anywhoo... I'm pretty sure that this is not a dream that we are living. It's very stable, and whenever something odd happens we immediately take note and analyze it. Also, I'm sure that someone, be it a monk or a scientist, would have discovered it by now. I think it's fairly safe to say that we are awake right now.
i know i just thought it would be fun to see what ppl think
Stop reading to deep into things. You're looking at the kiddie pool as if it was the Atlantic Ocean. If it all was a dream, what would the chances of everybody being lucid? And if somebody wasn't lucid, wouldn't they lose all self-control except that which is dictated directly by their deepest instincts? It just wouldn't fit in with what we know. Not without making drastic changes to the definition of a 'dream'.
you never know untail your died or matbe you wont but my point is that this maybe a totaly different kind of dream and maybe just maybe when we die is when we wake up into a totaly different world like a spiritual one or something.
I've often wondered that as well.
Fav line from Scorpions:
The judge decided
It's your right
To wake up from the Dream
That is your life..
Moving this to Philosophy
Very nice i like that Fav line from Scorpions but what does it mean by:
To wake up from the Dream
That is your life
The way I see it, is that if it was all a drem, a lucid dreamer, thining that he/she were still dreaming would try to control it, this not happening proves that we're not in a dream. (Morphious walks in, "Nights, I believe you are the one.")
No i mean it could be a different dream as in you cant do the same things or even realize its a dream cuz its a much more stronger and real dream.
Maybe, but I still believe there would be those who realise that they're dreaming.
This thought crossed my mind once for about 2 seconds and I threw it right out the window. I am too strongly rooted in science to believe it. All around me I see the predictability and (general) reliability of science and know that I am awake. And in my dreams...science seems to have no hold on anything.
I think I know what you're trying to describe. We chose the life we lead today, and we have forgotten about what came before the physical incarnation. No matter what you believe, it is safe to say that every single action we have performed since birth is a manifestation of a set consciousness we had before birth - choice. We learned to smile because it exhibited, on a physical level, the emotion we felt. Same with anything else we do. We exhibit certain emotions towards others to feel a particular connection, but since we do not remember our unity as one consciousness, we must use physical expressions to 'transfer' these emotions. At birth, we had no idea how to express ourselves in a physical way, but somehow we still knew we had to eat, breathe, piss, and learn the dynamics of our physical self to survive in it.Quote:
Originally posted by miketrix
you never know untail your died or matbe you wont but my point is that this maybe a totaly different kind of dream and maybe just maybe when we die is when we wake up into a totaly different world like a spiritual one or something.
Our instincts and emotions were with us from birth, so where could they have come from if we truly were a brand new, individual consciousness at the time? Picture it like being shown a board game and expected to learn how to play, without being given the basic instruction. With the basic rules in mind, one learns to master the game as an art, but without it, the physical construct is meaningless.
When we die, I believe we return to the unified consciousness, and make a choice to return again to a physical state, whether it be a tree, dog, or another human being, though we do not make the choice based upon our previous human construct (logic and reasoning), but rather on our instinctive level. I have not yet decided whether or not the choice to return to a physical state is mandatory.
Science is a system of control, like everything else. It is there to define what we can see and touch, but it cannot reach into our souls. Science can explain what's happening on a physical level, but that's as far as it goes! It's like trying to describe quantum mechanics, given a basic understanding of how to add two numbers together :)Quote:
Originally posted by I Bleed Blue
This thought crossed my mind once for about 2 seconds and I threw it right out the window. I am too strongly rooted in science to believe it. All around me I see the predictability and (general) reliability of science and know that I am awake. And in my dreams...science seems to have no hold on anything.
umm ya shure :|
And what's that supposed to mean :P
I THINK WE ARE IN A COLLECTIVE DREAM. THINK ABOUT IT. ALL OUR IDEAS AND CREATIVITY TOGETHER MAKE UP THE PHYSICAL WORLD. SOMEONE DREAMED UP A CAR AND WE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO CREATE A WORLD OF CARS. Also most people assume that every views "reality" the same as everyone else. Everyone experiences exactly the same world but each experiences it completely different based on beliefs.
For instance when one is depressed the world is literally a dark and evil place, when your happy its a beautiful place, same world, different view.
Life is no more real than a dream.
Life is certainly no more real than a dream. I find the only difference to be that a dream is often more emotionally fulfilling...
Life is a trap built on ludicrous physical rules which attempt to govern the human spirit. It's no theory! It's blatantly obvious - every time I turn on the TV, look at the 'news'paper, or attempt to understand why I should be in jail for my harmless actions, I see the box we're living in. In essence, I value dreams more than certain aspects of our waking reality itself.
It has become a thought lately to me... however I do not believe it is really a "dream". Its something different, but its there.
It would be shallow to equate the waking life directly with dreaming, but they certainly both share the most basic feelings of the soul. They just express it in different ways. Dreaming is intangible and illogical, but makes sense on an unconscious level. The waking life is packaged with a pretty bow on top, and the illusion that material wealth is the highest goal keeps us all 'buzzing along like ants', but I guess most of us here smell the pile of dog shit they actually put inside the box for us :)
I don't doubt that we are living in a illusion, or that we live in a hologram or something similarly, and just imagine that what we see is \"real\".Quote:
Originally posted by miketrix
ya so what if this is all just a drem that where all in and we havent realized it yet and its just a really deep sleep and we dont know it? and it so hard to break out maybe like a coma?
i'll let you decide!
I have heard a lot of theories about if we live in a simulation, etc.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
I have also heard a theory about that all humans are mentally \"connected\".
So, I don't doubt that we live in a shared dream, but it is other theories I find more likely. (See the link above).
And about \"mentally connection\", take a look at:
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
Quote:
Even casual comparison of the agent and percipient narratives produced in this body of experiments reveals striking correspondences in both their general and specific aspects, indicative of some anomalous channel of information acquisition, well beyond any chance expectation. Incisive analytical techniques have been developed and applied to these data to establish more precisely the quantity and quality of objective and subjective information acquired and to guide the design of more effective experiments. Beyond confirming the validity of this anomalous mode of human information acquisition, these analyses demonstrate that this capacity of human consciousness is also largely independent of the distance between the percipient and the target, and similarly independent of the time between the specification of the target and the perception effort.
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I said ya coz here's my thought:
Maybe we are all at the end of time/death looking back on our lives too see what it was like and remember everything although we're dreaming about it and at the end of this dream in this dream we will dream about what happened again and again once the life in that dream has ended it will dream about it and so on and so forth.
My friend was saying something about life all being a dream controlled by aliens.
However, I believe I\'m awake. (: